Why people don't like to use trumps for Rebma

[Ivanhoe]

It ruins the floor every time you use it :

[scottishstorm]

Haha!  Nice

[RPGPundit]

Funny. The other day one of my players learned the hard way the consequences of quickly trumping to amber while flying at 200mph through the air. He hit the castle floor with a very sudden and intense crash.

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[Ivanhoe]

Funny. The other day one of my players learned the hard way the consequences of quickly trumping to amber while flying at 200mph through the air. He hit the castle floor with a very sudden and intense crash.

That is something I would be cautious about. If I were to do that to one of my players, I suspect he would try to find a way to trump an object at several times the speed of sound directly through an Elder's trump (or to rush a meteorite inside Castle Amber)

I am generally very cautious about Trumps, there are many ways for them to break the game.

[scottishstorm]

That is something I would be cautious about. If I were to do that to one of my players, I suspect he would try to find a way to trump an object at several times the speed of sound directly through an Elder's trump (or to rush a meteorite inside Castle Amber)

I am generally very cautious about Trumps, there are many ways for them to break the game.

Agreed.  When I first read RPGPundit's reply, I thought "Well, technically, how fast is the Earth moving while we stand or sit upon it?  Hmm?"  But, I bit my tongue.

I don't think that speed -or motion, rather- is relative to trump.  One could be on a moving train and trump to another location, appearing and remaining still after arrival.  One could be falling, even to their probable death, then have momentum erased after a trump transport.

However, one matter to consider is how trans-locating via trump ais affected if the subject was, say, bound and chained to the wall.  What happens to the restraints?  Are these ripped from the wall?  Do they only partly transport?  To ignore them entirely brings up the entirely new question of clothing (ie: why doesn't everyone transport naked?)

[jibbajibba]

Agreed.  When I first read RPGPundit's reply, I thought "Well, technically, how fast is the Earth moving while we stand or sit upon it?  Hmm?"  But, I bit my tongue.

I don't think that speed -or motion, rather- is relative to trump.  One could be on a moving train and trump to another location, appearing and remaining still after arrival.  One could be falling, even to their probable death, then have momentum erased after a trump transport.

However, one matter to consider is how trans-locating via trump ais affected if the subject was, say, bound and chained to the wall.  What happens to the restraints?  Are these ripped from the wall?  Do they only partly transport?  To ignore them entirely brings up the entirely new question of clothing (ie: why doesn't everyone transport naked?)

Well last point first.
I don't think you can move through a trump if you were bound to a wall (this might well break the rescue of Brand however). If i did do it then it woudl be a stargate kind of del where when the gate/trump closed a thing would be chopped off, but that then creates a problem round characters being killed by trump traps which is not in genre.
Relative motion... hmm... could you create a giant trump through which you could throw Meteors at castle amber .... I would probably allow this. I kind of like a huge black gateway openign up in the skies above Amber and then the fire comes ... However the psyche and endurance costs for maintaining that large a trump portal would be truly enormous. As for hitting players with misiles well... that has to work as well right. If Fiona or Brand can stab someone through a trump then you can probably shoot through a trump so you can probably throw a baseball so you can probably stick it in front of a particle acellerator. Would this kill an elder Amberite yeah probably but so would shooting them in the head, poisoning their dinner.

I would have a falling guy still falling but a guy on a train would be static. This makes no physical sense but it proably how I imagine Zelazny would write it. Damn I knew this game was too reliant on GM fiat

[boulet]

I would have a falling guy still falling but a guy on a train would be static.

What was the point of Corwin maintaining a trump connection while visiting Tir Na Nogth then ?

[jibbajibba]

What was the point of Corwin maintaining a trump connection while visiting Tir Na Nogth then ?

Well he falls 5 feet onto a stone floor rather than 500 feet onto a big pile of rocks
But point taken

[weilide]

There's also the matter of Bleys falling from Kolvir.

[jibbajibba]

There's also the matter of Bleys falling from Kolvir.

Yah I totally get that and can see fiona pulling Brand through and him landing on the floor with a mighty bump or somethgin. I know this is not logical (especially the train example) I am just trying to envisage how Zelazny would have written it.

[Croaker]

Maybe there's a kind of motion reduction, something working like maizena: The faster you go, the greater your speed is reduced. So, a knife could still be dangerous, but a gun would, comparatively, be less dangerous than normal.

Or maybe this works with mass*speed ratio.

[RPGPundit]

Karel (the PC) wasn't falling, though, he was flying, intentionally. Bleys falling off Mt.Kolvir could mean he'd get something of a bump when he trumped out, but its different from a head-first flying forward at 200mph.

Also, yes, in my games with REGULAR trump, at least, you can't trump someone out who's physically bound to an object (at least not unless you have the Psyche and the physical space to trump in the entire object he's connected to). Also, while you could maybe create a trump-gate of a meteor strike,  a trump itself would be pretty fucking complicated to pull off. As for the afore-mentioned trump-gate, you'd probably need a shitload of psychic power and endurance to make it happen.

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[Trevelyan]

I don't think you can move through a trump if you were bound to a wall (this might well break the rescue of Brand however). If i did do it then it woudl be a stargate kind of del where when the gate/trump closed a thing would be chopped off, but that then creates a problem round characters being killed by trump traps which is not in genre.

There are several cases in the books which support the theory that you can't move through a trump if you cannot move freely, and the Brand example is one of them.

The entire family contacted Brand via trump but were still unable to release him as he was restrained, hence Gerard and Random both went through the trump and Gerard tore Brand's chains from the wall so that he could be brought back.

The other example that springs immediately to mind is when Merlin prevents Jasra from trumping out by having Frakir loop around her neck and secure her to the tree. Jasra is unable to move forward without choking herself and hence unable to escape.

[Drascus]

The rule in my game is that you cannot come through a trump restrained at all, unless again, you can take the whole object with you.  Recently a player of mine has been experimenting with pulling someone who is restrained through a Trump Gate, and then closing that gate around the restraint.

That leads to bad, bad things, especially when the person who comes through is the anchor on the other side of the gate.  

Many shadow people died in that experiment.  My personal take is that Trump has some kind of 'don't tear the universe apart' failsafe built into it, and overcoming that is really difficult and has nasty consequences.

[RPGPundit]

There's so much cool experimental shit you can do with Trumps.

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