Hello,
Does anybody know when Lords of Gossamer and Shadow is planned to be released ?
Thanks !
We don't have an official release date, as Jason Durall is still developing the manuscript (his day job has kept him insanly busy), Once that is done it will go to patron feedback, playtesting, editing, development for artwork, followed by layout ext. We won't list a release date until the product is in its final form, and then it will be 4 months from that date (the draw back of the solicitation cycle for Brick and Mortar).
There is some interesting discussion on the LoGaS boards, but you have to be a patron in order to read or contribute. However, it's safe to say that the project isn't at all dead and the preview material we've seen looks interesting.
For example:
* Jason posted a list of inspirational reading so we could get "into his head" to see the style of the campaign.
* Jason has posted some sample material for one of the principal powers in the game.
* We've seen some layers of concept art.
* There has been some discussion about game system, attribute scale, "geography" and major factions, and more.
I don't want to say too much, since this is all under development and changes could/will occur along the way...
Is this still happening? Did it happen and I missed it somehow?
I would presume its still happening, but there hasn't been much news about it lately.
Meanwhile, we're finally moving forward with stuff for Lords of Olympus. We're deciding the cover art right now.
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Still happening, still in development.
I tend not to talk about things in development too much until the manuscript is in the hands of the editor.
The Lead Designer got promoted at his day job and has been working long hours, he recently got fully staffed in his new position and is now able to dedicate more time to the project, Jason Durall is hoping to have a raw demo running at Ambercon.
Quote from: Qwilion;448334Still happening, still in development.
That works, thanks!
Ambercon had a LoGaS game on the schedule initially, but the GMs apparently cancelled it.
Still working on it!
As Qwillion mentioned above, I had the mixed blessing of a huge promotion at work (nice) but a ton more responsibility. We've just hired another writer to work under/with me, so that takes some of the weight off my shoulders.
Chris Kindred was going back and forth about running it at ACUS, but I think he decided against for schedule reasons.
More news needed, please.
Development proceeds, Jason Durall posted another piece of the manuscript to the Silver patron forums and we have the 3 initial sketchs by Jason Rainville in our Silver patron forums that have been discussed by the patrons and both Jasons.
The project is moving along faster now I am happy to say.
Quote from: Qwilion;461117Development proceeds, Jason Durall posted another piece of the manuscript to the Silver patron forums and we have the 3 initial sketchs by Jason Rainville in our Silver patron forums that have been discussed by the patrons and both Jasons.
The project is moving along faster now I am happy to say.
Has it moved on any further now? Just wondering...
Yes
More artwork completed, continuing on with more artwork, and updates continue for our patrons.
Oh and I release one piece of artwork for the artist portfollio and as part of a kickstarter for another project (as a demo of what we can do) so I will display it here (http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/qwillion/Drake_Display.jpg).
I like the picture, (though as a GM I would prefer the hand not to be there). If the card works anything like trump cards I like to make props with them.
Its not a card its a an arcane app version of an ipad or iphone.
Intriguing. Out of curiosity if you can tell me, is it for communication only or does it allow travel as well?
I leave info like that to the silver level patrons, who have access to the beginnings of the manuscript at this point (such is the nature of a patronage project).
Been a while since we've heard anything about Logas. Is the project still in production? I know know official release date was ever made but is there any general timeline?
I don't know about an official timeline, but I can say that I have put together a playtest doc for my own use based on material that Jason has posted already and it's at 72 pages. And I know he has some material he hasn't posted yet. Things are progressing, although slowly.
Seriously, the race between this game and Lords of Olympus is like a race between two paraplegic snails...
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Quote from: AshenHaze;514488Been a while since we've heard anything about Logas. Is the project still in production? I know know official release date was ever made but is there any general timeline?
Yes its still under production.
No I won't give a general timeline (and its why I don't do release dates until its in layout). The simple reason is any general timeline I give you would be wrong. I Can tell you we have some lovely art by Jason Rainville, Its going to be damn pretty. Jason continues to put out a slow but steady flow of work.
Quote from: RPGPundit;514787Seriously, the race between this game and Lords of Olympus is like a race between two paraplegic snails...
:p
I guess it just goes to show that game publishing isn't quite as simple as we'd hope. There are so many details to get right and if you cut corners you will hear about it from the fans, so taking the extra time makes sense.
I can't wait to see LoGaS and LoO side-by-side to see how they compare. I suspect that each will provide some interesting insights as to how to run an ADRP style campaign!
My guess is that Lords of Olympus will make it to PDF first, albeit without art, but that Lords of Gossamer and Shadow will make it to print first.
At this point anything could still happen. I just want them both to make it to print eventually.
Me too, though I'll obviously be happier if your prediction turns out untrue in the sense that LoO makes it out first in print, too.
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I expect Lords of Olympus to be out first and in print first as We will be waiting on the Cubicle Seven print/distribution cycle (which is 5 months from the date I solicit the cover image to them).
Well, I'm pretty sure that either way, both will be well-received.
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Well, our paraplegic snail won. Hope you guys still get there! Don't leave us standing here at the finish line by our lonesome.
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Quote from: RPGPundit;581052Well, our paraplegic snail won. Hope you guys still get there! Don't leave us standing here at the finish line by our lonesome.
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It's about 90% complete and around 75% of the manuscript has been posted to the patron forums for perusal.
Quote from: jdurall;581081It's about 90% complete and around 75% of the manuscript has been posted to the patron forums for perusal.
Well, that's very good to hear!
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I want to add something here, so that everyone is really clear about it: I in no way see Lords of Olympus and Lords of Gossamer and Shadow as opposing or competing products, as far as I'm concerned. I hope that Jason, who I respect immensely, and Rite Publishing (who have to be commended for their efforts to release LoG&S) feel the same way.
To whit, when their game does come out, I would be extremely pleased and very favorable if they wanted to make this subforum an official place of discussion for their game as well, and would be quite happy to give Jason the same Moderator status in this forum that Erick Wujcik once held. I would of course understand if Rite Publishing had other plans, but the offer is on the table in all good faith.
I for one can't emphasize enough how much I disagree with any attempts to present the two projects as somehow being antagonistic to one another or trying to divide the fandom for the Diceless RPG we all love.
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We are working on it. I am hoping to go into the editing stage before the end of Oct
If we hit that point things will go much faster.
Quote from: Qwilion;582259We are working on it. I am hoping to go into the editing stage before the end of Oct
If we hit that point things will go much faster.
Good to hear!
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The manuscript is complete and in the publisher's hands at this point.
Gold Patrons should be getting some additional content (online extras) in the next month.
Any idea when LoGaS is likely to be available to the non-patron public?
Amber-inspired RPGs are apparently a bit like buses; you wait for ages and then two turn up right after one another. ;)
I'm looking forward to this one coming out.
May 2013
These are Estimates and subject to change without notice.
I am shooting for Dec 17th for the manuscript to be bacck from editing, then it will go to layout which should comeback by Januay 17th, the cover image will then be solicited for a May release (preorders through traditional distribution take 4 months), it should come back from proofing by Febuary 17th, allowing us two weeks to make the changes and then send it to the printer. Which it would then be on time for a May 2013 release.
This is great news! That'll make it two years with two Diceless games in a row. Someone should start working on something for 2014.
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Today we signed Christopher "Kit" Kindred to write the first adventure for Lords of Gossamer and Shadow
Here is an art preview by Jason Rainville "Vala, Lady of the Shimmering Vale"
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/qwillion/Vala_Display.jpg)
I'm curious, what will be the game's core pantheon ?
The Lords and Ladies of Gossamer and Shadow. Its an original setting.
I don't want revel to much at this point and will discuss it in a more indepth manner once it is out of layout and into the proofreading stage (around end of january)
Quote from: Bland Joe Dwarf;595868I'm curious, what will be the game's core pantheon ?
The Gossamer Lords and Ladies are more akin to Amberites, in that they are immensely powerful immortals who travel infinite worlds. In some worlds they may be worshiped as gods, but they are not any sort of "core pantheon" in any sense of the world.
They are not related to one another, with only an informal alliance. Mostly they stay out of one another's way, unless brought together by need or crisis.
There is almost always a need or crisis.
Quote from: jdurall;595988The Gossamer Lords and Ladies are more akin to Amberites, in that they are immensely powerful immortals who travel infinite worlds. In some worlds they may be worshiped as gods, but they are not any sort of "core pantheon" in any sense of the world.
They are not related to one another, with only an informal alliance. Mostly they stay out of one another's way, unless brought together by need or crisis.
There is almost always a need or crisis.
Thanks for the answer. I'm getting a Lords of Chaos/Order vibe from your description and I like it very much.
It's a really gorgeous, evocative picture.
//Panjumanju
Really spectacular art!
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Quote from: Bland Joe Dwarf;596004Thanks for the answer. I'm getting a Lords of Chaos/Order vibe from your description and I like it very much.
There's a bit of that, but it's a lot more akin to Zelazny's magician rulers from
Jack of Shadows.
Quote from: Panjumanju;596006It's a really gorgeous, evocative picture.
All of the artwork I've seen so far has been amazing.
By the way -- the basic manuscript is finished and Jason has it in the hands of the Gold Patrons for playtest and typo search. Things are moving along quite well at this point.
That's great news!
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An update:
a) The manuscript is through with editing and the next step is layout. The page template is done (I think) and looks very slick.
b) The cover painting is complete and is, to be honest, breathtaking. I could not be happier with it. I know folks throw a lot of superlatives around, but the feedback has been ecstatic.
c) I have completed one piece of exclusive Gold Patron content and will be doing two more pieces.
Quote from: jdurall;608306An update:
a) The manuscript is through with editing and the next step is layout. The page template is done (I think) and looks very slick.
b) The cover painting is complete and is, to be honest, breathtaking. I could not be happier with it. I know folks throw a lot of superlatives around, but the feedback has been ecstatic.
c) I have completed one piece of exclusive Gold Patron content and will be doing two more pieces.
If you should feel like sending a review copy when the time comes...
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Quote from: RPGPundit;608505If you should feel like sending a review copy when the time comes...
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That would be up to Steve.
Quote from: RPGPundit;608505If you should feel like sending a review copy when the time comes...
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While I consider you a colleague more than a competitor Lords of Olympus is ultimately a competitors product, I think it would be bad form for me or JD to review Lords of Olympus and as such it the opposite would also be true.
Even the appearance of potential impropriety bugs me. Sorry, I am just built that way.
Quote from: Qwilion;608719While I consider you a colleague more than a competitor Lords of Olympus is ultimately a competitors product, I think it would be bad form for me or JD to review Lords of Olympus and as such it the opposite would also be true.
Even the appearance of potential impropriety bugs me. Sorry, I am just built that way.
If you feel that way, its fine. But in any case, I feel pretty sure that given what I've heard so far, and given what I know of the people involved, the likelihood that I'd end up giving the game a negative review is exceedingly slim.
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Quote from: Qwilion;608719While I consider you a colleague more than a competitor Lords of Olympus is ultimately a competitors product, I think it would be bad form for me or JD to review Lords of Olympus and as such it the opposite would also be true.
Even the appearance of potential impropriety bugs me. Sorry, I am just built that way.
Qwilion - this is not meant as a personal criticism nor as a criticism of your business practices nor product. I have been looking forward to your book for quite some time and intent to buy it.
However.
I think exactly the attitude you express here is doing harm to the roleplaying game industry.
Diceless roleplaying is a niche market within a niche market of a cottage industry. I believe designers should be doing everything they can to network and form
stronger communities, including reviewing similar products and offering honest critique. The notion that it would appear unseemly to offer an honest review in good faith leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The idea of a "competitors product" in such a tiny market does more harm than good - as interested players are more likely to buy both, anyway - and makes you appear, to me, as miserly not a part of your roleplaying community.
Again, I am still buying your product.
//Panjumanju
With all due respect, panjumanju, I don't really see it your way. Qwilion has the right to send or not send review copies to whoever he wants, and I can understand a certain nervousness, particularly if he doesn't know me very well, because the reality is that in this market there are people who will try to treat your rpg as competition and put it down.
I will be supporting and encouraging people to look into Lords of Gossamer and Shadow no matter what.
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Quote from: RPGPundit;609110With all due respect, panjumanju, I don't really see it your way. Qwilion has the right to send or not send review copies to whoever he wants, and I can understand a certain nervousness, particularly if he doesn't know me very well, because the reality is that in this market there are people who will try to treat your rpg as competition and put it down.
I will be supporting and encouraging to look into Lords of Gossamer and Shadow no matter what.
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I respect your opinion, of course, Pundit. And of course Qwilion has the right to, and should do, whatever he wants. But the best way to improve the market, given its size and habits, is through stronger community. Developers treating developers like islands I see as contributing to subdividing a market that is barely large enough to sustain already.
My criticism is only of Qwilion's attitude in this post. I'm sure he's a pleasent fellow and Lords of Gossamer and Shadow will be great, and I support it entirely.
//Panjumanju
Panjumanju
I can respect that, but having seen what happens when colleagues review each others products I have to disagree (I have been doing this for a while now, and it is my day job), it can destroy a community if they go at each other.
As to the appearance of being miserly, it costs me nothing to send a PDF review copy, the print review copies are sent out by my print/distribution partner at Cubicle Seven, over which I have no control and no financial stake.
But really I am not thinking about review copies and complimentary copies of this right now as I am head down in doing mock layouts and art orders so we can go to final layout by the end of January.
Steve
We're all cheering for you guys, regardless.
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After much discussion with out patrons and staff Rite Publishing has decided to launch a very low goal Kickstarter for Lords of Gossamer & Shadow (Diceless) This will fund the 15+ pieces of art we need to finish, the book is in layout.
We have a prelaunch page, that has a preview of the first 17 pages and some of the art we have for the project. The Kickstarter will launch April 2nd.
You can find it all HERE! (http://ritepublishing.com/dicelessroleplaying.html)
Excellent - I'll be sure to look that up when it comes out.
Have you plans for a line of books to go with the base rulebook?
Thank you Qwilion for posting this here. I intend to support the Kickstarter. It will be my first!
However, I must be confused about the history of these events. Didn't "Lords of Gossomer and Shadow" have a kickstarter before? Wasn't that how it got all these patrons? Does this make it a second kickstarter? So, did the project just go over-budget? I don't mean to cast a negative light on this - because projects can and often do go over-budget, and in a more traditional funding model this is more expected, and kickstarter as a funding model has yet to properly accommodate this. However, if I am going to support this I want to have an even view of the likelihood of completion for the project, given resent RPG scares on kickstarter.
And more to the point - what the heck does the reward: "get access to the backer exclusive Print on Demand, 8.5 x11, 160 + page, full-color, hardback book" at the $30 level mean?
Does this mean unless I support "Lords of Gossamer and Shadow" for at least $30, then I won't have the ability to buy the book itself?
I'm concerned, but want to throw money at you.
Please advise.
//Panjumanju
Quote from: Panjumanju;638163Thank you Qwilion for posting this here. I intend to support the Kickstarter. It will be my first!
However, I must be confused about the history of these events. Didn't "Lords of Gossomer and Shadow" have a kickstarter before? Wasn't that how it got all these patrons? Does this make it a second kickstarter? So, did the project just go over-budget? I don't mean to cast a negative light on this - because projects can and often do go over-budget, and in a more traditional funding model this is more expected, and kickstarter as a funding model has yet to properly accommodate this. However, if I am going to support this I want to have an even view of the likelihood of completion for the project, given resent RPG scares on kickstarter.
And more to the point - what the heck does the reward: "get access to the backer exclusive Print on Demand, 8.5 x11, 160 + page, full-color, hardback book" at the $30 level mean?
Does this mean unless I support "Lords of Gossamer and Shadow" for at least $30, then I won't have the ability to buy the book itself?
I'm concerned, but want to throw money at you.
Please advise.
//Panjumanju
Yes, I'm confused by the rewards and what's actually available at each level too.
Quote from: Panjumanju;638163I must be confused about the history of these events. Didn't "Lords of Gossomer and Shadow" have a kickstarter before? Wasn't that how it got all these patrons? Does this make it a second kickstarter? So, did the project just go over-budget?
I'm a "Gold Patron" and have been involved with this project from the start, but I don't qutie "get" the kickstart yet so I can't really address that part. The "patron" thing was a fundraiser, yes, but also allowed for a community development which I don't think most kickstarters perpetuate. Patrons were given access to a message board to discuss, answer polls, preview materials, and generally have input as to the direction of the LoGaS game. (The game looks great, by the way.) The funds developed were supposed to pay a minimal amount to the author, layout guy, proofreaders, and to buy artwork.
The book has turned out to be larger than planned, as Jason has a lot to say. That by itself probably caused a budget crunch since copies would be more expensive to print than advertised, plus the fact that printing materials may be more expensive now that when the project started. As far as I know, Jason never asked for more money but I think the plan is to compensate him more for his extra work.
The sample artwork we've seen so far is impressive, but more expensive than originally anticipated. My understanding is that the choice was to go with cheaper artwork, or to slowly accumulate artwork as other projects sold, or to use a kickstart in order to attain money for artwork faster. Whether that is "over budget" or not depends upon how you look at it, I suppose.
As to the language of the kickstart, I've been reading a flurry of e-mails among the Patrons who are trying to figure out what the exact wording means and I don't want to jump in because what's in my brain might not quite match the intent of Rite Publishing. I don't want to sound authoritative in an area where I am not an official spokesman.
Quote from: finarvyn;638305As to the language of the kickstart, I've been reading a flurry of e-mails among the Patrons who are trying to figure out what the exact wording means and I don't want to jump in because what's in my brain might not quite match the intent of Rite Publishing. I don't want to sound authoritative in an area where I am not an official spokesman.
Hopefully Qwilion can clear up what it means.
I would hate to somehow screw myself out of a paper copy.
//Panjumanju
First thanks for your support.
QuoteDidn't "Lords of Gossomer and Shadow" have a kickstarter before? Wasn't that how it got all these patrons?
No, we have never done a Kickstarter before, we did do a private patronage project (before there was such a thing as kickstarter).
That book was to be a 60 page softcover color book print on demand. The manuscript that was turned over is 160+ pages. So I talked to the patronss they could wait months while I put togther the art or I could do a small kickstarter and reach people who never played before. The original patrons paid the same amounts as put up here and I am not asking them for more money, we are looking for new Kickstarter backers.
QuoteHowever, if I am going to support this I want to have an even view of the likelihood of completion for the project, given resent RPG scares on kickstarter.
This project will be completed regardless off if the kickstarter succeeds. The manuscript is done, the editing is done, the layout is nearly done, what we are asking for is $1000.00 for 15+ pieces of art so we can finish it sooner.
Quote"get access to the backer exclusive Print on Demand, 8.5 x11, 160 + page, full-color, hardback book" at the $30 level mean?
You pay $30.00, and when the book is done you will get a link to the print on demand copy at cost then you pay Drivethrurpg @$15.00 +shipping and they will print (via lightning source) and ship to you a backer exclusive full color hardback copy. You are not limited to purchasing only one copy at this price.
This means 100% of backer money goes toward the project, and I don't have to charge $50.00 and increase the goal to $3000.00 to cover the costs of printing and shipping. This projects #1 goal is to finish the book.
Quote from: Qwilion;638425You pay $30.00, and when the book is done you will get a link to the print on demand copy at cost then you pay Drivethrurpg @$15.00 +shipping and they will print (via lightning source) and ship to you a backer exclusive full color hardback copy. You are not limited to purchasing only one copy at this price.
Ah - that makes sense. So, the $30 backing means you can get the book at cost. I was concerned that you had to pay $30 to have access to paying for a physical book at all.
So, what you're telling me here is that you're making no money on this at all.
I mean - on one hand, this makes me want to throw more money at the project than I was planning to. (Which will necessitate a talk with my wife.) On the other hand...are you okay? This seems like a metric-tonne of work for you.
I take back the mean things I said earlier.
//Panjumanju
I make no money at all if we don't hit goal,
I make no money at all if all we do is hit goal.
If we go over goal I make money, Erick Wujick's estate makes a % of that money as part of the license, Jason Durall makes a little more money , as will the editor etc.
There will also be some stretch goals, for additional products and I will build profit into those stretch goals.
I will also get to sell the product at retail when its all done.
My #1 goal is to get the project done, my #2 goal is to make a reasonable profit.
I wish you guys luck with this!
I assume, regarding profit, that after the KS is done, in any case, you'll still also be selling LoGaS the old-fashioned way, and will get some profit out of that?
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Yes, that's what I meant when I said:
QuoteI will also get to sell the product at retail when its all done.
I also intend to do follow up supplements Gossamer Worlds if you will that will do other genres than modern fantasy.
Sounds good.
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Quote from: Qwilion;638523I also intend to do follow up supplements Gossamer Worlds if you will that will do other genres than modern fantasy.
Awesome :)
A question: I'm a bronze patron. What happens if I want to throw some money into the kickstarter? How does it work?
I am come late to this thread.
How do i pitch in on it?
Quote from: Croaker;639095Awesome :)
A question: I'm a bronze patron. What happens if I want to throw some money into the kickstarter? How does it work?
I'll ping Steve and let him answer that. I have no idea.
Quote from: Tolknor;639119I am come late to this thread.
How do i pitch in on it?
The Kickstarter isn't starting until April, I believe.
I do not know if it's possible to become a patron now. I'll alert Steve to this question also.
Quote from: Qwilion;638523I also intend to do follow up supplements Gossamer Worlds if you will that will do other genres than modern fantasy.
I've already been pestering Steve with ideas for two other standalone non-fantasy games using the diceless rules.
Quote from: Tolknor;639119I am come late to this thread.
How do i pitch in on it?
You become a backer on April 2nd when we launch the Kickstarter.
When you say "other genres than modern fantasy", could you elaborate on what you mean? That is, games like Amber or LoO (and, I presumed LoGaS) exist in a multiverse so they can be played in pretty well any kind of setting, can't they?
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Yes but for example there will be a gossamer world that opperates on a type of physics that changes your Lords of Gossamer and Shadow points into ones for a Super Heroes Game, or one that changes it to hard science fiction, or a weird west physics. You cold use it as a Lords of Gossamer visit this gossamer world or it could be used as a stand alone setting.
IMHO, this is great and a very very good idea, both as a supplement and as an help to play other diceless games.
I'm eager for it :)
I've been saving my pennies all month and it's April 2nd. When does the Kickstarter go live?
Quote from: Qwilion;640514Yes but for example there will be a gossamer world that opperates on a type of physics that changes your Lords of Gossamer and Shadow points into ones for a Super Heroes Game, or one that changes it to hard science fiction, or a weird west physics. You cold use it as a Lords of Gossamer visit this gossamer world or it could be used as a stand alone setting.
I think I understand; I'll probably have to see it written to be sure, but it sounds like you are actually adapting what the (ranks? points?) mean in different types of places. Interesting choice of innovation.
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Project has now launched (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/937759598/lords-of-gossamer-and-shadow-diceless-role-playing)
And it hit funding goal in a couple of hours. I am speechless and grateful.
Here's the cover, by the way...
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/451/494/72a4fbf3d4ed0ef6be84df528aac7843_large.jpg?1363558330)
Very nice, and congratulations to you and all involved!!
Quote from: RPGPundit;642612Very nice, and congratulations to you and all involved!!
Thanks. I'm a bit stunned at how much attention it's gotten, and how quickly it's been attracting funding.
We are 2,402% funded and working on our 5th stretch goal with guest author Cam Banks (Marvel Heroic Roleplaying, Leverage Rpg) and we are 61% to that goal.
Below is a image that will appear in our 52 card Icon Deck. Also Michael Kucharski who did the original artwork for the Amber Diceless Role-Playing, Shadow Knight and many an Amberzine has agreed to do the artwork for "The Long Walk."
Check out the Full-Sized PDF preview, watch our promotional video, find out more, and/or join us today HERE (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/937759598/lords-of-gossamer-and-shadow-diceless-role-playing)!
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/qwillion/ArakiTaizo3_zpsbf7a63b5.jpg) (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/qwillion/media/ArakiTaizo3_zpsbf7a63b5.jpg.html)
Awesome news, guys!
Yes, that's great, I can't believe it worked as well as it did :)
Quote from: Croaker;654498Yes, that's great, I can't believe it worked as well as it did :)
I am flabbergasted.
It wrapped up a few minutes ago at just over $30K.
It's been a crazy experience watching the thing happen, and all of the praise goes to Steve for his tireless efforts at promotion. Cannot wait to see it completed, off to the backers, and eventually on the store shelves!
Again, congrats! I'm sure it will be a really worthwhile addition to the Diceless RPG stable.
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Quote from: jdurall;654823It's been a crazy experience watching the thing happen, and all of the praise goes to Steve for his tireless efforts at promotion.
For what it's worth, I've been VERY impressed by his kindness and devotion.
Since we are now in the proofing stage I thought I would show this here.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/qwillion/warefarefinal.jpg)
Warfare Image by Jason Rainville.
Magnifico!
That's just great. I'm so glad you did the kickstarter for the artwork.
Is there still time to increase the financial sum of patronage?
//Panjumanju
I'm pretty sure Steve will be along to mention ways to increase patronage.
I'd just like to reiterate that the art for this book is uniformly awesome. Jason Rainville has provided some amazing work. Having him as the sole artist makes for a superlative visual consistency throughout.
Yes you can still become a backer through our website (via paypal)
http://ritepublishing.com/dicelessroleplaying.html
Quote from: Jason D;690836I'm pretty sure Steve will be along to mention ways to increase patronage.
I'd just like to reiterate that the art for this book is uniformly awesome. Jason Rainville has provided some amazing work. Having him as the sole artist makes for a superlative visual consistency throughout.
I stand corrected... there are a few other artists involved, but they've been all awesome. I think the visual standard will still be extremely high-quality.
Pretty cool!
Here it is.
Lords of Gossamer & Shadow (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/119779&affiliate_id=203141&src=RitePubbanner) has been released!
Wow. The game looks incredible.
I've never played Amber nor any of its descendants. With most of my gaming these days being one-on-one, is it possible to effectively play LoGaS?
Thank you
Yes you can run a two person game, GM and Player, Otherwise you might try the Google+ group for Lords of Gossamer and shadow as they run it via Google Hangout (since it does not need dice its really easy to do it via video chat).
Quote from: Eisenmann;712956Wow. The game looks incredible.
I've never played Amber nor any of its descendants. With most of my gaming these days being one-on-one, is it possible to effectively play LoGaS?
It is not only possible, it's actually pretty easy.
Instead of an Attribute Auction, just let the player spend the points they'd like and determine actual Ranks based on the GM's NPCs. Or just use points... some people prefer to do it that way.
Otherwise, just run it as you would any other one-on-one game.
The only warning I'd provide is that it can be more demanding from the GM than other one-on-one games, as the player has some amazing powers and can pretty much run riot throughout the universe. It's always good to do a lot more asking than telling, in such cases.
Steve and Jason, thanks for the responses. The game just went on my Christmas wish list.
I'm not a big fan of the idea of single-player gaming in general, but as for the other point, any Amber-influenced game (be it Amber, LoGaS, or LoO) works far better than most for online-sessions.
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Got my LoGaS hardback rulebook the other day in the mail. Very slick. :-)
Quote from: Qwilion;712948Here it is.
Lords of Gossamer & Shadow (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/119779&affiliate_id=203141&src=RitePubbanner) has been released!
Will the printed version be sold via Amazon?
Quote from: Evermasterx;713722Will the printed version be sold via Amazon?
Pretty sure the answer to that is "yes," as other Chronicle City products are available through amazon.com.
http://www.chroniclecity.com/lords-of-gossamer--shadow.html
It's not there yet, but I'm sure it will be before too long.
Great! I'll be waiting for my copy.
I am also going to work on getting the color version up on amazon, we have to do a slightly different layout with that so I am waiting on our layout artist to get back from vacation.
I had the craziest realization just now that Shadow Knight, my first "real" game credit, came out in 1993, 20 years ago.
How the time has flown.
Quote from: Jason D;717288I had the craziest realization just now that Shadow Knight, my first "real" game credit, came out in 1993, 20 years ago.
How the time has flown.
But we are still reading and using it for our games...
Good things never grow old.
Quote from: Jason D;717288I had the craziest realization just now that Shadow Knight, my first "real" game credit, came out in 1993, 20 years ago.
How the time has flown.
Yeah, it's amazing how long ADRP has been out there, and you've just made me feel really old because I remember when Shadow Knight first came out.
And it's now available on amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Lords-Gossamer-Shadow-Diceless-Role-Playing/dp/1494977524/
Ordered here in Italy!
Two diceless rpgs in just one year! Great!
Quote from: Evermasterx;728473Ordered here in Italy!
Two diceless rpgs in just one year! Great!
Yup, we live in hopeful times.
I wonder if any more are in the works.
I've pitched at Rite Publishing a completely different diceless RPG using the same system (but heavily adapted), completely stepping away from many of the Amber parallels. Something set in our modern world, but with some mystical/mythic elements.
Hopefully, I'll end up writing it.
Quote from: Jason D;728829I wonder if any more are in the works.
I've pitched at Rite Publishing a completely different diceless RPG using the same system (but heavily adapted), completely stepping away from many of the Amber parallels. Something set in our modern world, but with some mystical/mythic elements.
Hopefully, I'll end up writing it.
Well, if they don't want to do it, pitch it to me :)
Quote from: Jason D;728829I wonder if any more are in the works.
I've pitched at Rite Publishing a completely different diceless RPG using the same system (but heavily adapted), completely stepping away from many of the Amber parallels. Something set in our modern world, but with some mystical/mythic elements.
Hopefully, I'll end up writing it.
What Brett said! LoO is an open system; and if you're ever interested in collaborating send me a message.
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Quote from: Jason D;728829I wonder if any more are in the works.
I've pitched at Rite Publishing a completely different diceless RPG using the same system (but heavily adapted), completely stepping away from many of the Amber parallels. Something set in our modern world, but with some mystical/mythic elements.
Hopefully, I'll end up writing it.
This does sound interesting. I've been running a campaign for my group based on the "Dresden Files" books and "Charmed" TV show. I think there are enough similar source materials out there to make for a fun game. Let me know if you want a playtester or collaborator as well.
In all likelihood, my dance card will be filled with support material for LoG&S -- Steve and I are talking about two different smaller works -- but the diceless project is one of those things I've long since wanted to do, and I'll have to see what the landscape is when I am ready to work on it.
It's also one of those possible things that I could just as easily do as a novel or a short story collection... or both as means of expansion of the setting.
There just isn't enough time in the day.
Quote from: Jason D;730105There just isn't enough time in the day.
Ain't that the truth.
As a newb (to both LoGS and LoO), my rough understanding going in is that the two games basically support one another. I recall reading something about modeling powers in LoO for LoGS or somesuch.
So, the GM / fan part of me thinks regardless of which publisher (or my system of choice), I win. :)
Also: I got turned onto LoGS at DundraCon (the New and Cool Seminar had it), and via LoGS, LoO (of which a full color print is on the way to me).
Quote from: Molotov;734988As a newb (to both LoGS and LoO), my rough understanding going in is that the two games basically support one another. I recall reading something about modeling powers in LoO for LoGS or somesuch.
I think that's certainly true; not in an official capacity, but certainly Jason and I have a good relationship, and I encourage people to look at both games, and I think Jason would too. And of course, I think both of us would eagerly encourage people to take a look at Amber too, since it started it all!
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Oh, unofficial is fine. ;)
Giving the books a review, I can see where the point costs are identical, but close. Thus far, based on just a basic read, I have copies of the LoO 2-page on Ability Classes (I like the granularity) tucked in my LoGS book, along with the write-ups for Scrying and Metamorphosis (both of which like they could be good additions to my upcoming LoGS game).
I have not updated here in a while but i thought I would post about a few of our supplments we have released HERE (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/browse.php?cPath=4448_19741) (especially while its on sale till March 11th)
We have released a number of small PDF only supplments to Lords of Gossamer & Shadow.
Lucian's Guide to the Grand Stair by Rob Donoghue (Dresden Files Rpg, Fate Core)
Addendum: Blessings & Curses by Jason Durall
A couple new Gossamer Worlds Empyrea and Broke World (small intros to worlds found via the Grand Stair)
and Coming Soon
Threats: Echo of the Typhonians by Cam Banks (Marvel Heroic Roleplaying Game, Smallville Rpg, Leverage Rpg etc.)
I ran my (first) game of LoG&S this past Saturday - the specific powers I pulled from Lords of Olympus were:
- Scrying
- Metamophosis
- Enchantment
- Glamour
Enchantment and Glamour were both selected - and used in the first session - by the player of the alien grey, Lasar.
Fun time - the powers totally plugged in with no real work on my part.
Quote from: Molotov;735826I ran my (first) game of LoG&S this past Saturday - the specific powers I pulled from Lords of Olympus were:
- Scrying
- Metamophosis
- Enchantment
- Glamour
Enchantment and Glamour were both selected - and used in the first session - by the player of the alien grey, Lasar.
Fun time - the powers totally plugged in with no real work on my part.
Awesome, and good to know! I think each corebook could potentially make a useful sourcebook for the other game; I guess here's proof of that in one direction at least.
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Quote from: RPGPundit;735931Awesome, and good to know! I think each corebook could potentially make a useful sourcebook for the other game; I guess here's proof of that in one direction at least.
Very much so. In addition to the powers being spot on (the grey player was very pleased that she could grab the "psionic" powers of mind control ish (Enchantment) and mental illusions (Glamour).
Given the two games are, effectively, the same systems I think there's an additional plus in serving as sourcebooks to each other: reading the different (but similar) guidance in two books helps me grok the system more fully.
As Steve noted upthread, the Blessings/Curses power is also available now, which may be of interest.
Quote from: Molotov;735947Very much so. In addition to the powers being spot on (the grey player was very pleased that she could grab the "psionic" powers of mind control ish (Enchantment) and mental illusions (Glamour).
Given the two games are, effectively, the same systems I think there's an additional plus in serving as sourcebooks to each other: reading the different (but similar) guidance in two books helps me grok the system more fully.
Glad to hear it!
I need to get over here more often,
So busy though, Here is the new stuff.
You can always find out stuff HERE (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/browse.php?cPath=4448_19741) in pdf, and THERE (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/browse.php?filters=0_0_0_44294_0&cPath=4448_19741) in print
Dawn of the Dwimmerilaik by Andrew Peregrine (Victoriana 2nd Edition, World War Cthulhu, Doctor Who Rpg etc.)
Lucien's Guide: The Black Files by Rob Donoghue (The Dresden Files Rpg, Fate Core)
Icon Deck (use it as a trump deck if you like) 52 original images, in print and pdf.
Gossamer World: Nexopolis by Matt Forbeck (who really needs no intro) in print and pdf.
Small PDFs by Matt Banach: Tetsujin Shogunate, Stratospheria, Verse Arcanu, Ossuary Empire
Gossamer Heroes pregenerated characters by Jason Durall.
Addendum: Empahty (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/137080/Addendum-Empathy-Diceless)by Jason Durall, I beleive this will be of particular intrest to Amberites and Olympions as well as Gossamer Lords, this was originally part of the Remba manuscript that got cut before Jason Durall got paid for the manuscript. It is a new lesser power (like Blessing & Curses) that can be instituted into any diceless game.