Lords of Gossamer and Shadow

[finarvyn]

I must be confused about the history of these events. Didn't "Lords of Gossomer and Shadow" have a kickstarter before? Wasn't that how it got all these patrons? Does this make it a second kickstarter? So, did the project just go over-budget?

I'm a "Gold Patron" and have been involved with this project from the start, but I don't qutie "get" the kickstart yet so I can't really address that part. The "patron" thing was a fundraiser, yes, but also allowed for a community development which I don't think most kickstarters perpetuate. Patrons were given access to a message board to discuss, answer polls, preview materials, and generally have input as to the direction of the LoGaS game. (The game looks great, by the way.) The funds developed were supposed to pay a minimal amount to the author, layout guy, proofreaders, and to buy artwork.

The book has turned out to be larger than planned, as Jason has a lot to say. That by itself probably caused a budget crunch since copies would be more expensive to print than advertised, plus the fact that printing materials may be more expensive now that when the project started. As far as I know, Jason never asked for more money but I think the plan is to compensate him more for his extra work.

The sample artwork we've seen so far is impressive, but more expensive than originally anticipated. My understanding is that the choice was to go with cheaper artwork, or to slowly accumulate artwork as other projects sold, or to use a kickstart in order to attain money for artwork faster. Whether that is "over budget" or not depends upon how you look at it, I suppose.

As to the language of the kickstart, I've been reading a flurry of e-mails among the Patrons who are trying to figure out what the exact wording means and I don't want to jump in because what's in my brain might not quite match the intent of Rite Publishing. I don't want to sound authoritative in an area where I am not an official spokesman.

[Panjumanju]

As to the language of the kickstart, I've been reading a flurry of e-mails among the Patrons who are trying to figure out what the exact wording means and I don't want to jump in because what's in my brain might not quite match the intent of Rite Publishing. I don't want to sound authoritative in an area where I am not an official spokesman.

Hopefully Qwilion can clear up what it means.
I would hate to somehow screw myself out of a paper copy.

//Panjumanju

[Qwilion]

First thanks for your support.

Didn't "Lords of Gossomer and Shadow" have a kickstarter before? Wasn't that how it got all these patrons?

No, we have never done a Kickstarter before, we did do a private patronage project (before there was such a thing as kickstarter).

That book was to be a 60 page softcover color book print on demand.  The manuscript that was turned over is 160+ pages. So I talked to the patronss they could wait months while I put togther the art or I could do a small kickstarter and reach people who never played before. The original patrons paid the same amounts as put up here and I am not asking them for more money, we are looking for new Kickstarter backers.

However, if I am going to support this I want to have an even view of the likelihood of completion for the project, given resent RPG scares on kickstarter.

This project will be completed regardless off if the kickstarter succeeds. The manuscript is done, the editing is done, the layout is nearly done, what we are asking for is $1000.00 for 15+ pieces of art so we can finish it sooner.

"get access to the backer exclusive Print on Demand, 8.5 x11, 160 + page, full-color, hardback book" at the $30 level mean?

You pay $30.00, and when the book is done you will get a link to the print on demand copy at cost then you pay Drivethrurpg @$15.00 +shipping and they will print (via lightning source) and ship to you a backer exclusive full color hardback copy. You are not limited to purchasing only one copy at this price.

This means 100% of backer money goes toward the project, and I don't have to charge $50.00 and increase the goal to $3000.00 to cover the costs of printing and shipping. This projects #1 goal is to finish the book.

[Panjumanju]

You pay $30.00, and when the book is done you will get a link to the print on demand copy at cost then you pay Drivethrurpg @$15.00 +shipping and they will print (via lightning source) and ship to you a backer exclusive full color hardback copy. You are not limited to purchasing only one copy at this price.

Ah - that makes sense. So, the $30 backing means you can get the book at cost. I was concerned that you had to pay $30 to have access to paying for a physical book at all.

So, what you're telling me here is that you're making no money on this at all.

I mean - on one hand, this makes me want to throw more money at the project than I was planning to. (Which will necessitate a talk with my wife.) On the other hand...are you okay? This seems like a metric-tonne of work for you.

I take back the mean things I said earlier.

//Panjumanju

[Qwilion]

I make no money at all if we don't hit goal,
I make no money at all if all we do is hit goal.

If we go over goal I make money, Erick Wujick's estate makes a % of that money as part of the license,  Jason Durall makes a little more money , as will the editor etc.

There will also be some stretch goals, for additional products and I will build profit into those stretch goals.

I will also get to sell the product at retail when its all done.

My #1 goal is to get the project done, my #2 goal is to make a reasonable profit.

[RPGPundit]

I wish you guys luck with this!

I assume, regarding profit, that after the KS is done, in any case, you'll still also be selling LoGaS the old-fashioned way, and will get some profit out of that?

RPGPundit

[Qwilion]

Yes, that's what I meant when I said:

I will also get to sell the product at retail when its all done.

I also intend to do follow up supplements Gossamer Worlds if you will that will do other genres than modern fantasy.

[RPGPundit]

Sounds good.

RPGPundit

[Croaker]

I also intend to do follow up supplements Gossamer Worlds if you will that will do other genres than modern fantasy.

Awesome

A question: I'm a bronze patron. What happens if I want to throw some money into the kickstarter? How does it work?

[Tolknor]

I am come late to this thread.  

How do i pitch in on it?

[Jason D]

Awesome

A question: I'm a bronze patron. What happens if I want to throw some money into the kickstarter? How does it work?

I'll ping Steve and let him answer that. I have no idea.

[Jason D]

I am come late to this thread.  

How do i pitch in on it?

The Kickstarter isn't starting until April, I believe.

I do not know if it's possible to become a patron now. I'll alert Steve to this question also.

[Jason D]

I also intend to do follow up supplements Gossamer Worlds if you will that will do other genres than modern fantasy.

I've already been pestering Steve with ideas for two other standalone non-fantasy games using the diceless rules.

[Qwilion]

I am come late to this thread.  

How do i pitch in on it?

You become a backer on April 2nd when we launch the Kickstarter.

[RPGPundit]

When you say "other genres than modern fantasy", could you elaborate on what you mean? That is, games like Amber or LoO (and, I presumed LoGaS) exist in a multiverse so they can be played in pretty well any kind of setting, can't they?

RPGPundit