Lords of Gossamer and Shadow

RPGPundit · November 22, 2012, 12:05:16 AM

That's great news!

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Jason D · December 12, 2012, 08:03:09 PM

An update:

a) The manuscript is through with editing and the next step is layout. The page template is done (I think) and looks very slick.

b) The cover painting is complete and is, to be honest, breathtaking. I could not be happier with it. I know folks throw a lot of superlatives around, but the feedback has been ecstatic.

c) I have completed one piece of exclusive Gold Patron content and will be doing two more pieces.

RPGPundit · December 13, 2012, 11:53:28 AM

Quote from: jdurall;608306An update:

a) The manuscript is through with editing and the next step is layout. The page template is done (I think) and looks very slick.

b) The cover painting is complete and is, to be honest, breathtaking. I could not be happier with it. I know folks throw a lot of superlatives around, but the feedback has been ecstatic.

c) I have completed one piece of exclusive Gold Patron content and will be doing two more pieces.

If you should feel like sending a review copy when the time comes...

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Jason D · December 13, 2012, 11:56:43 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit;608505If you should feel like sending a review copy when the time comes...

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That would be up to Steve.

Qwilion · December 13, 2012, 08:55:29 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;608505If you should feel like sending a review copy when the time comes...

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While I consider you a colleague more than a competitor Lords of Olympus is ultimately a competitors product, I think it would be bad form for me or JD to review Lords of Olympus and as such it the opposite would also be true.

Even the appearance of potential impropriety bugs me. Sorry, I am just built that way.

RPGPundit · December 13, 2012, 11:01:03 PM

Quote from: Qwilion;608719While I consider you a colleague more than a competitor Lords of Olympus is ultimately a competitors product, I think it would be bad form for me or JD to review Lords of Olympus and as such it the opposite would also be true.

Even the appearance of potential impropriety bugs me. Sorry, I am just built that way.

If you feel that way, its fine. But in any case, I feel pretty sure that given what I've heard so far, and given what I know of the people involved, the likelihood that I'd end up giving the game a negative review is exceedingly slim.

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Panjumanju · December 14, 2012, 04:50:15 PM

Quote from: Qwilion;608719While I consider you a colleague more than a competitor Lords of Olympus is ultimately a competitors product, I think it would be bad form for me or JD to review Lords of Olympus and as such it the opposite would also be true.

Even the appearance of potential impropriety bugs me. Sorry, I am just built that way.

Qwilion - this is not meant as a personal criticism nor as a criticism of your business practices nor product. I have been looking forward to your book for quite some time and intent to buy it.

However.

I think exactly the attitude you express here is doing harm to the roleplaying game industry.

Diceless roleplaying is a niche market within a niche market of a cottage industry. I believe designers should be doing everything they can to network and form stronger communities, including reviewing similar products and offering honest critique. The notion that it would appear unseemly to offer an honest review in good faith leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The idea of a "competitors product" in such a tiny market does more harm than good - as interested players are more likely to buy both, anyway - and makes you appear, to me, as miserly not a part of your roleplaying community.

Again, I am still buying your product.

//Panjumanju

RPGPundit · December 15, 2012, 02:10:09 AM

With all due respect, panjumanju, I don't really see it your way. Qwilion has the right to send or not send review copies to whoever he wants, and I can understand a certain nervousness, particularly if he doesn't know me very well, because the reality is that in this market there are people who will try to treat your rpg as competition and put it down.

I will be supporting and encouraging people to look into Lords of Gossamer and Shadow no matter what.

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Panjumanju · December 15, 2012, 10:33:04 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit;609110With all due respect, panjumanju, I don't really see it your way. Qwilion has the right to send or not send review copies to whoever he wants, and I can understand a certain nervousness, particularly if he doesn't know me very well, because the reality is that in this market there are people who will try to treat your rpg as competition and put it down.

I will be supporting and encouraging to look into Lords of Gossamer and Shadow no matter what.

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I respect your opinion, of course, Pundit. And of course Qwilion has the right to, and should do, whatever he wants. But the best way to improve the market, given its size and habits, is through stronger community. Developers treating developers like islands I see as contributing to subdividing a market that is barely large enough to sustain already.

My criticism is only of Qwilion's attitude in this post. I'm sure he's a pleasent fellow and Lords of Gossamer and Shadow will be great, and I support it entirely.

//Panjumanju

Qwilion · December 15, 2012, 04:54:53 PM

Panjumanju

I can respect that, but having seen what happens when colleagues review each others products I have to disagree (I have been doing this for a while now, and it is my day job), it can destroy a community if they go at each other.

As to the appearance of being miserly, it costs me nothing to send a PDF review copy, the print review copies are sent out by my print/distribution partner at Cubicle Seven, over which I have no control and no financial stake.

But really I am not thinking about review copies and complimentary copies of this right now as I am head down in doing mock layouts and art orders so we can go to final layout by the end of January.

Steve

RPGPundit · December 18, 2012, 09:23:09 PM

We're all cheering for you guys, regardless.

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Qwilion · March 17, 2013, 09:04:14 PM

After much discussion with out patrons and staff Rite Publishing has decided to launch a very low goal Kickstarter for Lords of Gossamer & Shadow (Diceless) This will fund the 15+ pieces of art we need to finish, the book is in layout.

We have a prelaunch page, that has a preview of the first 17 pages and some of the art we have for the project. The Kickstarter will launch April 2nd.

You can find it all HERE!

Gavken · March 18, 2013, 07:47:21 AM

Excellent - I'll be sure to look that up when it comes out.

Have you plans for a line of books to go with the base rulebook?

Panjumanju · March 18, 2013, 04:18:19 PM

Thank you Qwilion for posting this here. I intend to support the Kickstarter. It will be my first!

However, I must be confused about the history of these events. Didn't "Lords of Gossomer and Shadow" have a kickstarter before? Wasn't that how it got all these patrons? Does this make it a second kickstarter? So, did the project just go over-budget? I don't mean to cast a negative light on this - because projects can and often do go over-budget, and in a more traditional funding model this is more expected, and kickstarter as a funding model has yet to properly accommodate this. However, if I am going to support this I want to have an even view of the likelihood of completion for the project, given resent RPG scares on kickstarter.

And more to the point - what the heck does the reward: "get access to the backer exclusive Print on Demand, 8.5 x11, 160 + page, full-color, hardback book" at the $30 level mean?

Does this mean unless I support "Lords of Gossamer and Shadow" for at least $30, then I won't have the ability to buy the book itself?

I'm concerned, but want to throw money at you.

Please advise.

//Panjumanju

Simon W · March 19, 2013, 03:19:22 AM

Quote from: Panjumanju;638163Thank you Qwilion for posting this here. I intend to support the Kickstarter. It will be my first!

However, I must be confused about the history of these events. Didn't "Lords of Gossomer and Shadow" have a kickstarter before? Wasn't that how it got all these patrons? Does this make it a second kickstarter? So, did the project just go over-budget? I don't mean to cast a negative light on this - because projects can and often do go over-budget, and in a more traditional funding model this is more expected, and kickstarter as a funding model has yet to properly accommodate this. However, if I am going to support this I want to have an even view of the likelihood of completion for the project, given resent RPG scares on kickstarter.

And more to the point - what the heck does the reward: "get access to the backer exclusive Print on Demand, 8.5 x11, 160 + page, full-color, hardback book" at the $30 level mean?

Does this mean unless I support "Lords of Gossamer and Shadow" for at least $30, then I won't have the ability to buy the book itself?

I'm concerned, but want to throw money at you.

Please advise.

//Panjumanju

Yes, I'm confused by the rewards and what's actually available at each level too.