Does it offer a good RPG experience?
Asshat McBitchnugget's hefty Zweihander tome adds some interesting stuff and ideas to poach, but the system itself looks like a hot mess. Maybe it plays better than it reads, but to me, I couldn't see a reason to switch out from Warhammer Fantasy 1e. Especially when you delve into the treasure trove of WFRP 1e ideas from years of Warpstone magazine.
If someone wanted to play Warhammer today, I can't speak for the current edition, but based on what I've seen Shadows of the Demon Lord seems to be that sweet spot between D&D and Warhammer that promises grimdark heroics with good rules. I've not yet played SoDL so I can't speak to actual play, but the reviews have been excellent. I consider it one of the only Kickstarters I regret not backing.
Can't say much about the system, it looks okish. With WHFRP 1st edition being available on DrivethruRPG and thus easily printed I don't really see much of a reason to play it. Besides that I refuse to support it because Daniel Fox is a colossal douche bag, I'd sooner drink bleach than give that fuck head a single red cent.
Quote from: Arkansan;1142470Can't say much about the system, it looks okish. With WHFRP 1st edition being available on DrivethruRPG and thus easily printed I don't really see much of a reason to play it. Besides that I refuse to support it because Daniel Fox is a colossal douche bag, I'd sooner drink bleach than give that fuck head a single red cent.
Ok? I'm not familiar with the creator.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1142444Asshat McBitchnugget's hefty Zweihander tome adds some interesting stuff and ideas to poach, but the system itself looks like a hot mess. Maybe it plays better than it reads, but to me, I couldn't see a reason to switch out from Warhammer Fantasy 1e. Especially when you delve into the treasure trove of WFRP 1e ideas from years of Warpstone magazine.
If someone wanted to play Warhammer today, I can't speak for the current edition, but based on what I've seen Shadows of the Demon Lord seems to be that sweet spot between D&D and Warhammer that promises grimdark heroics with good rules. I've not yet played SoDL so I can't speak to actual play, but the reviews have been excellent. I consider it one of the only Kickstarters I regret not backing.
Shadow of the Demon Lord is pretty great. I played in a short campaign up to 2nd level (you start classless at level zero). It strikes a good balance between grit and accessibility. Rules medium (on the lighter side), and really high lethality (compared to 5E, though not quite to the same extent as AD&D).
Quote from: Razor 007;1142472Ok? I'm not familiar with the creator.
Spambotted the damn game on what felt like every forum.
Doxxed people who called him out on his poor behavior.
Doubled down and started weaponizing cancel culture to get the consultants removed from 5e D&D credits out of spite.
And more I probably mercifully havent seen.
And his games a blatant rip-off of WHFRP.
The game is pretty good despite DF's abrasive faux-SJW marketing warfare. He is the poster child of the outrage brigade only because he convinced the OB he looks good on the poster.
The game is a generic grim-dark thing without a real setting so you can play it in various settings of your choice. I was really excited about it in the beginning but DF's behavior just made it all "meh" for me.
Quote from: trechriron;1142481The game is pretty good despite DF's abrasive faux-SJW marketing warfare. He is the poster child of the outrage brigade only because he convinced the OB he looks good on the poster.
The game is a generic grim-dark thing without a real setting so you can play it in various settings of your choice. I was really excited about it in the beginning but DF's behavior just made it all "meh" for me.
Yeah that was the bummer for me, I was excited about it early on but after all of his bullshit I just can't bring myself to buy it.
Fuck off Daniel.
In all seriousness, if I wanted to play WHFRP 2E I've got all the content I need for that game. I had given Zwiehander some thought until every other thread vaguely about a fantasy RPG was vomited upon by the endless spam from the creator. That it actually worked out in favour only solidified not buying it, as well as it's brazenness at being Warhammer with the serial numbers barely filed off. Besides, if I want to run something different to 2E I'm very happy with the previously mentioned Shadow of the Demon Lord as it's a genuinely good system with considerable support from it's creator. I would look into that instead if you're after a dark fantasy toolbox.
Quote from: Razor 007;1142425Does it offer a good RPG experience?
Runequest or Drakkar och Demoner or of course the original Warhammer RPG all do it better. Especially since Warhammer 'borrows' the Broo from Runequest.
Quote from: Omega;1142478Spambotted the damn game on what felt like every forum.
Doxxed people who called him out on his poor behavior.
Doubled down and started weaponizing cancel culture to get the consultants removed from 5e D&D credits out of spite.
And more I probably mercifully havent seen.
And his games a blatant rip-off of WHFRP.
He's responsible for efforts to remove the names of contributors to D&D 5E, namely the PHB? I didn't realize he was the source of that mess. Why would he want to be a phallus like that? Envy? Jealousy? That speaks very poorly of him.
Quote from: Razor 007;1142425Does it offer a good RPG experience?
After reading the PDF, I had no desire to play it and instead got out my WHFRP book and started working on a possible campaign. As already stated in the thread, since you can get WH, I see no real reason to play this clone. Sort of like how I'll probably never play OSRIC or Labyrinth Lord anymore since AD&D and B/X are so accessible now.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/228084/Warhammer-Fantasy-Roleplay-First-Edition-Core-Rulebook
Don't bother with Zweihander; you can get 1e Warhammer Fantasy Role-Play as a .PDF and have it printed on demand. Same for 2e.
I got it for free at a dtrpg phone pdf promo last year. It went straight in the garbage can. Saved $20
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1142593I got it for free at a dtrpg phone pdf promo last year. It went straight in the garbage can. Saved $20
Good on ya.
I have a little curiosity about what a d100 system might look like; although I can pretty much already imagine.
Quote from: Razor 007;1142625I have a little curiosity about what a d100 system might look like; although I can pretty much already imagine.
Here you go
https://d101games.com/openquest/ (https://d101games.com/openquest/)
http://www.alephtargames.com/en/?option=com_content&view=article&id=96:revolution-srd&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=1 (http://www.alephtargames.com/en/?option=com_content&view=article&id=96:revolution-srd&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=1)
Quote from: Razor 007;1142504He's responsible for efforts to remove the names of contributors to D&D 5E, namely the PHB? I didn't realize he was the source of that mess. Why would he want to be a phallus like that? Envy? Jealousy? That speaks very poorly of him.
One of, or one of the instagators. He certainly had it in for Pundit and believe Zak too. Theres an old thread here on the mess. The consultants names have been removed from 5e Basic and according to WOTC all 5e core books from the time of statement on for future print runs. I havent seen any of the newer prints, 5e core is up to 14 or more now believe.
I moved from playing SotDL to Zweihander. My group were not as enthused about D20 rules. I was gifted Zweihander and we gave it a try. We have been playing it now for over a year now. The rules appear balanced and D100 seems to suit my group better. The book does have serious bloat that gets in the way with regards to reading and finding rules, especially at the gaming table. I know there is a revised version, but can't comment on that. Once our campaign is over we will be moving to another system. My overall thoughts is that it is a decent system, but just another edition of Warhammer for all intents and purposes.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142628Here you go
https://d101games.com/openquest/ (https://d101games.com/openquest/)
http://www.alephtargames.com/en/?option=com_content&view=article&id=96:revolution-srd&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=1 (http://www.alephtargames.com/en/?option=com_content&view=article&id=96:revolution-srd&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=1)
What's the key differences between OpenQuest and Revolution D100?
How close to Runequest are they?
And wasn't there a Magic World retroclone?
Quote from: Spinachcat;1142634What's the key differences between OpenQuest and Revolution D100?
How close to Runequest are they?
And wasn't there a Magic World retroclone?
No idea
No idea
I think so but not sure of it.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1142634What's the key differences between OpenQuest and Revolution D100?
How close to Runequest are they?
I have no experience with Revolution D100 so I can't speak to it, but it's a game I've wanted to check out for a while now.
OpenQuest is very much related to Runequest, except it's more of a rules-light version. I've heard it described that it's pretty much on the opposite end of the spectrum from Mythras/Runequest 6. Where the latter went for lots of numbers and rules and depth, OpenQuest keeps things lighter and simpler. I don't have a ton of experience with Mythras, but from what I've seen it would be pretty simple to port systems and parts between the two games. There's supposed to be a Kickstarter for a 3rd edition of OpenQuest in the next month or so, but the changes aren't too drastic. The core of the system hasn't really changed from the beginning.
If you want to get a quick look at OpenQuest for yourself, check out The Age of Shadow. It's an older OpenQuest game and you can get the main rules for free in PDF off of DTRPG. It's essentially a Lord of the Rings game with the serial numbers filed off.
Revolution D100 is one of many games that is doing interesting things with the core D100 mechanic (see Delta Green, Mothership, Chill 3e). It's a very cool system with lots of abstract mechanical widgets. My only complaint is that (and this is just a preference thing) the magic system is very much like savage worlds - there's a list of powers (flight, etc.) that are trapped based on whether they're magic, psionics, etc.
My challenge in finding a good WFRP-type-game is replicating the career system. There are lots of lighter D100 and non-D100 system, but only WFRP / Zweihander have a really good career mechanic.