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Zombies, from Infection to Voodoo

Started by GeekyBugle, April 25, 2023, 10:49:59 PM

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Tasty_Wind

#15
April 26, 2023, 08:02:26 PM
Ever read Brian Keene's "the Rising"? It's a zombie apocalypse story that's less The Walking Dead, and more Evil Dead. The "zombies" are human and animal corpses possessed by the Siquisim, evil entities trapped in the void outside time and space by God when he created the universe.
Long story short, the zombies retain the memories of the host corpse and can use tools and talk (and not just the humans. Some people find it goofy, but I find the idea of a zombified Rottweiler cursing at you in Sumerian while it tries to tear your throat out terrifying).
So anyway, there's another idea to through on the pile.

GeekyBugle

#16
April 26, 2023, 08:04:46 PM
Quote from: Tasty_Wind on April 26, 2023, 08:02:26 PM
Ever read Brian Keene's "the Rising"? It's a zombie apocalypse story that's less The Walking Dead, and more Evil Dead. The "zombies" are human and animal corpses possessed by the Siquisim, evil entities trapped in the void outside time and space by God when he created the universe.
Long story short, the zombies retain the memories of the host corpse and can use tools and talk (and not just the humans. Some people find it goofy, but I find the idea of a zombified Rottweiler cursing at you in Sumerian while it tries to tear your throat out terrifying).
So anyway, there's another idea to through on the pile.

Smart, demon ridden zombies? Sold!
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"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

BoxCrayonTales

#17
April 26, 2023, 09:02:08 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 26, 2023, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 26, 2023, 05:39:00 PM
Are you familiar with All Flesh Must Be Eaten?

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/10/Eden-Studios/subcategory/57_60/All-Flesh-Must-Be-Eaten
http://texaszombie.com/

Not beyond knowing it exists.
It's extremely useful. It came out before the Hollywood zombie craze, but it's by far the most creative collection of zombie fiction in existence. I got it in a Bundle of Holding promo and it's amazing. It has campaign settings, "deadworlds", which explore a variety of wildly different takes on zombies. Alien zombies, genie wish zombies, several variations of nazi zombies, Irish potato famine zombies, STD zombies, voodoo zombies, cyborg zombies, ice cream zombies, Red Scare zombies, Frankenstein zombies, etc. It is extremely creative.

GeekyBugle

#18
April 26, 2023, 11:15:31 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 26, 2023, 09:02:08 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 26, 2023, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 26, 2023, 05:39:00 PM
Are you familiar with All Flesh Must Be Eaten?

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/10/Eden-Studios/subcategory/57_60/All-Flesh-Must-Be-Eaten
http://texaszombie.com/

Not beyond knowing it exists.
It's extremely useful. It came out before the Hollywood zombie craze, but it's by far the most creative collection of zombie fiction in existence. I got it in a Bundle of Holding promo and it's amazing. It has campaign settings, "deadworlds", which explore a variety of wildly different takes on zombies. Alien zombies, genie wish zombies, several variations of nazi zombies, Irish potato famine zombies, STD zombies, voodoo zombies, cyborg zombies, ice cream zombies, Red Scare zombies, Frankenstein zombies, etc. It is extremely creative.

The different zombies are mechanically different? Or is it just window-dressing?
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

rgalex

#19
April 27, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
Mechanically different.  Stats get moved around to make them smarter, dumber, stronger, etc.  There is a suite of zombie attributes to add as well that cover movement, attacks, senses, weaknesses, etc.  The core book has a nice basic zombie creation system and then each splat book focuses on different genres for the setting/zombie.

  • All Tomorrow's Zombies - sci-fi expansion and contains rules for starships, cyberpunk, and general future tech
  • Atlas of the Walking Dead - upgraded zombie creation rules, based upon various legendary undead from around the world, including the Shuten-Doji ("Japanese Vampire"), Gyonshee ("Chinese Hopping Vampire") and Aztec Mummy
  • Dungeons and Zombies - classic fantasy
  • Enter the Zombie - Chinese/Japanese/Hong Kong zombies, including chi techniques, martial arts, and Gun Fu
  • Fistful O' Zombies - Western-style setting material, rules for Deadlands as well as 'spaghetti western' and 'singing cowboy' settings
  • Pulp Zombies - Pulp zombie settings and includes Mentalism rules
  • Argh! Thar Be Zombies! - a pirate sourcebook, with rules for nautical combat and swashbuckling games
  • Zombie Smackdown - a take on wrestling and fighting with a setting based on Mortal Kombat

GeekyBugle

#20
April 27, 2023, 11:55:55 AM
Quote from: rgalex on April 27, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
Mechanically different.  Stats get moved around to make them smarter, dumber, stronger, etc.  There is a suite of zombie attributes to add as well that cover movement, attacks, senses, weaknesses, etc.  The core book has a nice basic zombie creation system and then each splat book focuses on different genres for the setting/zombie.

  • All Tomorrow's Zombies - sci-fi expansion and contains rules for starships, cyberpunk, and general future tech
  • Atlas of the Walking Dead - upgraded zombie creation rules, based upon various legendary undead from around the world, including the Shuten-Doji ("Japanese Vampire"), Gyonshee ("Chinese Hopping Vampire") and Aztec Mummy
  • Dungeons and Zombies - classic fantasy
  • Enter the Zombie - Chinese/Japanese/Hong Kong zombies, including chi techniques, martial arts, and Gun Fu
  • Fistful O' Zombies - Western-style setting material, rules for Deadlands as well as 'spaghetti western' and 'singing cowboy' settings
  • Pulp Zombies - Pulp zombie settings and includes Mentalism rules
  • Argh! Thar Be Zombies! - a pirate sourcebook, with rules for nautical combat and swashbuckling games
  • Zombie Smackdown - a take on wrestling and fighting with a setting based on Mortal Kombat

Thanks! It's Fate tho, I don't want to give money to Ass Hat.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

BoxCrayonTales

#21
April 27, 2023, 12:11:42 PM Last Edit: April 27, 2023, 12:14:45 PM by BoxCrayonTales
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 27, 2023, 11:55:55 AM
Quote from: rgalex on April 27, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
Mechanically different.  Stats get moved around to make them smarter, dumber, stronger, etc.  There is a suite of zombie attributes to add as well that cover movement, attacks, senses, weaknesses, etc.  The core book has a nice basic zombie creation system and then each splat book focuses on different genres for the setting/zombie.

  • All Tomorrow's Zombies - sci-fi expansion and contains rules for starships, cyberpunk, and general future tech
  • Atlas of the Walking Dead - upgraded zombie creation rules, based upon various legendary undead from around the world, including the Shuten-Doji ("Japanese Vampire"), Gyonshee ("Chinese Hopping Vampire") and Aztec Mummy
  • Dungeons and Zombies - classic fantasy
  • Enter the Zombie - Chinese/Japanese/Hong Kong zombies, including chi techniques, martial arts, and Gun Fu
  • Fistful O' Zombies - Western-style setting material, rules for Deadlands as well as 'spaghetti western' and 'singing cowboy' settings
  • Pulp Zombies - Pulp zombie settings and includes Mentalism rules
  • Argh! Thar Be Zombies! - a pirate sourcebook, with rules for nautical combat and swashbuckling games
  • Zombie Smackdown - a take on wrestling and fighting with a setting based on Mortal Kombat

Thanks! It's Fate tho, I don't want to give money to Ass Hat.
No, it uses Unisystem.
https://www.edenstudios.net/images/afmbedemokit.pdf

RhaezDaevan

#22
April 27, 2023, 12:18:04 PM
I don't think anyone has mentioned Return of the Living Dead style zombies.  As in, the ones that you cannot kill, ever.  They usually just round them up and put them in storage between movies, but they always get out eventually...

Definitely not the most fun to deal with, but could be interesting as an escalation of things if the standard head shot becomes boring.

GeekyBugle

#23
April 27, 2023, 12:19:12 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 27, 2023, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 27, 2023, 11:55:55 AM
Quote from: rgalex on April 27, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
Mechanically different.  Stats get moved around to make them smarter, dumber, stronger, etc.  There is a suite of zombie attributes to add as well that cover movement, attacks, senses, weaknesses, etc.  The core book has a nice basic zombie creation system and then each splat book focuses on different genres for the setting/zombie.

  • All Tomorrow's Zombies - sci-fi expansion and contains rules for starships, cyberpunk, and general future tech
  • Atlas of the Walking Dead - upgraded zombie creation rules, based upon various legendary undead from around the world, including the Shuten-Doji ("Japanese Vampire"), Gyonshee ("Chinese Hopping Vampire") and Aztec Mummy
  • Dungeons and Zombies - classic fantasy
  • Enter the Zombie - Chinese/Japanese/Hong Kong zombies, including chi techniques, martial arts, and Gun Fu
  • Fistful O' Zombies - Western-style setting material, rules for Deadlands as well as 'spaghetti western' and 'singing cowboy' settings
  • Pulp Zombies - Pulp zombie settings and includes Mentalism rules
  • Argh! Thar Be Zombies! - a pirate sourcebook, with rules for nautical combat and swashbuckling games
  • Zombie Smackdown - a take on wrestling and fighting with a setting based on Mortal Kombat

Thanks! It's Fate tho, I don't want to give money to Ass Hat.
No, it uses Unisystem.
https://www.edenstudios.net/images/afmbedemokit.pdf

Neat! Must have mixed it with something else.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Garry G

#24
April 27, 2023, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 27, 2023, 12:19:12 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 27, 2023, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 27, 2023, 11:55:55 AM
Quote from: rgalex on April 27, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
Mechanically different.  Stats get moved around to make them smarter, dumber, stronger, etc.  There is a suite of zombie attributes to add as well that cover movement, attacks, senses, weaknesses, etc.  The core book has a nice basic zombie creation system and then each splat book focuses on different genres for the setting/zombie.

  • All Tomorrow's Zombies - sci-fi expansion and contains rules for starships, cyberpunk, and general future tech
  • Atlas of the Walking Dead - upgraded zombie creation rules, based upon various legendary undead from around the world, including the Shuten-Doji ("Japanese Vampire"), Gyonshee ("Chinese Hopping Vampire") and Aztec Mummy
  • Dungeons and Zombies - classic fantasy
  • Enter the Zombie - Chinese/Japanese/Hong Kong zombies, including chi techniques, martial arts, and Gun Fu
  • Fistful O' Zombies - Western-style setting material, rules for Deadlands as well as 'spaghetti western' and 'singing cowboy' settings
  • Pulp Zombies - Pulp zombie settings and includes Mentalism rules
  • Argh! Thar Be Zombies! - a pirate sourcebook, with rules for nautical combat and swashbuckling games
  • Zombie Smackdown - a take on wrestling and fighting with a setting based on Mortal Kombat

Thanks! It's Fate tho, I don't want to give money to Ass Hat.
No, it uses Unisystem.
https://www.edenstudios.net/images/afmbedemokit.pdf

Neat! Must have mixed it with something else.

It's a great game with a great system that gives you the ability to create the type of zombie you want with origins from voodoo, cosmic rays, fungal, nanomachines or whatever. If I remember right the core book has a campaign seed where the PC's are zombies. The only thing I've seen that focuses on giving so many options for a single monster is Nights Black Agents with vampires and that doesn't go anywhere near outliers like luchadors.

BoxCrayonTales

#25
April 27, 2023, 01:29:44 PM
Exactly. AFMBE is basically NBA with zombies and some more material. It's actually structured much like one of those universal ttrpgs, but where GURPS might make just GURPS Undead or GURPS Blood Types, these games expand the premises of those books into entire product lines. Sort of like how D&D is trying to be generic fantasy, but without the idiosyncratic baked-in sacred cows. The approach taken in AFMBE and NBA provides more focus than something like D&D, and more flexibility too, while avoiding the huffing of one's own fumes that afflicts lore/metaplot-driven rpgs. It's a guide to writing for a particular genre, with copious examples, but in rpg form.

GeekyBugle

#27
April 27, 2023, 02:49:18 PM
Quote from: Corolinth on April 27, 2023, 01:53:09 PM
Headcrabs

YES, I thought about alien zombies using the headcrabs.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Wtrmute

#28
April 27, 2023, 04:23:07 PM
Quote from: Fheredin on April 26, 2023, 08:25:42 AM
I have done mission work in Haiti, which has Voodoo as its national religion. As such, I do know a thing or two about Voodoo zombies.

(snip)

Tht is actually very interesting (and terrifying), thanks. I was under the impression that Voudoun zombies weren't actually dead, but just hypnotized by the witch doctor and forced to do their bidding. It definitely is quite different from the rest of the zombie origins, though, in spite of having originated them.

Here in Brazil our Voudoun-equivalent, Candomblé or Macumba, is generally more oriented to white magic (at the worst they promise to "bring your loved one to you in three days"), but some "mesa preta" or "quimbanda" practitioners still can be found if one goes looking for them. They'll generally just cast death curses on people, though, and generally not muck around with pharmacopoeia like you describe in Haiti...

jhkim

#29
April 27, 2023, 06:13:28 PM
Quote from: Wtrmute on April 27, 2023, 04:23:07 PM
Quote from: Fheredin on April 26, 2023, 08:25:42 AM
I have done mission work in Haiti, which has Voodoo as its national religion. As such, I do know a thing or two about Voodoo zombies.

Tht is actually very interesting (and terrifying), thanks. I was under the impression that Voudoun zombies weren't actually dead, but just hypnotized by the witch doctor and forced to do their bidding. It definitely is quite different from the rest of the zombie origins, though, in spite of having originated them.

Here in Brazil our Voudoun-equivalent, Candomblé or Macumba, is generally more oriented to white magic (at the worst they promise to "bring your loved one to you in three days"), but some "mesa preta" or "quimbanda" practitioners still can be found if one goes looking for them. They'll generally just cast death curses on people, though, and generally not muck around with pharmacopoeia like you describe in Haiti...

My understanding is that normal practice of Haitian voodoo is also oriented to white magic. Fheredin described zombie-making witch doctors as "domestic terrorists" - which I think means they are the equivalent of fringe criminals (like abusive cults and predatory preachers) rather than the religious practice of normal people. Wtrmute, correct me if I'm misreading you here.

I read two books by Haitian voodoo practitioners as preparation for a larp that I designed set in 1920s Haiti. They didn't say anything about zombies, but they had a lot about charms and calling in loa. Maybe they weren't accurately representing what most Haitians believe, but they seemed on the level.
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