Quote from: Ruprecht on February 10, 2025, 01:24:02 PMThe video takes the thing out of context and comes off as rather forced and stupid.

Very. I really like most of his other animations. I might not agree with some of his interpretations. But it was still entertaining most of the time.

This though was just mean spirited virtue signalling.

I dropped Lindybeige for similar reasons after he did a video calling out some LARP because they did not like a tall "POC" wanting to play a short pale skinned dwarf... That and his incessant ragging on initiative. Hilariously pathetic when his "proof" video of how theres no such thing as initiative clearly showed the combatants making their attacks at different moments during engagement.

Quote from: Omega on February 10, 2025, 02:47:45 PMI dropped Lindybeige for similar reasons after he did a video calling out some LARP because they did not like a tall "POC" wanting to play a short pale skinned dwarf

Funny, Lloyd usually gets attacked from the Left for eg accepting that there are sex differences between male & female psychology.

I stopped listening when he said "1e AD&D". Immediately knew he had no idea what he was talking about.

Kind of a moment where you realize how much older you are than these people, and how they are discussing things they don't really understand, lol. Or sigh.  Maybe both?

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 04:19:29 PMI stopped listening when he said "1e AD&D".

I call it something similar (I usually call it AD&D 1e or first edition). 

This is because when "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 2nd Edition" came out, it retroactively made what came before into first edition.  You can trivially find anyone referring to as such once 2nd edition was out.  I picked a random month in the year after 2e came out, found a dragon magazine from that time (Dragon magazine 156) and looked for uses of "edition".  Sure enough we can find TSR themselves referring to it as such.  It's a joke reply, but the citing of book title and page number is not. 

"The AD&D 1st Edition Dungeon Masters Guide has a useful harlot encounters table on page 192..."

There's plenty of other usage in just that one magazine discussing the differences between 1st and 2nd edition, and calling them that.  That's how the editions are distinguished.

So there's decades of precedence for calling AD&D 1e, exactly that.

In Cyberpunk 2020, a certain failed painter is used as an example of high scores in both "Charismatic Leadership" and "Persuasion & Fast Talk".  Am I supposed to believe Mike Pondsmith has dangerous views?

Quote from: Venka on February 25, 2025, 05:40:39 PM

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 04:19:29 PMI stopped listening when he said "1e AD&D".

I call it something similar (I usually call it AD&D 1e or first edition). 

This is because when "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 2nd Edition" came out, it retroactively made what came before into first edition.  You can trivially find anyone referring to as such once 2nd edition was out.  I picked a random month in the year after 2e came out, found a dragon magazine from that time (Dragon magazine 156) and looked for uses of "edition".  Sure enough we can find TSR themselves referring to it as such.  It's a joke reply, but the citing of book title and page number is not. 

"The AD&D 1st Edition Dungeon Masters Guide has a useful harlot encounters table on page 192..."

There's plenty of other usage in just that one magazine discussing the differences between 1st and 2nd edition, and calling them that.  That's how the editions are distinguished.

So there's decades of precedence for calling AD&D 1e, exactly that.

By decades, I assume you mean 2000-something onward?

Because nobody called it "1e", ever, before 3e.  Possibly before the OSR.

AD&D, D&D, 1st Edition, and others ... but never "1e". And that is how I know the commentator wasn't involved during the era he wants to comment on.

But thank you for trying to offer education, even if it was misapplied.

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 07:49:34 PM

Quote from: Venka on February 25, 2025, 05:40:39 PM

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 04:19:29 PMI stopped listening when he said "1e AD&D".

I call it something similar (I usually call it AD&D 1e or first edition). 

This is because when "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 2nd Edition" came out, it retroactively made what came before into first edition.  You can trivially find anyone referring to as such once 2nd edition was out.  I picked a random month in the year after 2e came out, found a dragon magazine from that time (Dragon magazine 156) and looked for uses of "edition".  Sure enough we can find TSR themselves referring to it as such.  It's a joke reply, but the citing of book title and page number is not. 

"The AD&D 1st Edition Dungeon Masters Guide has a useful harlot encounters table on page 192..."

There's plenty of other usage in just that one magazine discussing the differences between 1st and 2nd edition, and calling them that.  That's how the editions are distinguished.

So there's decades of precedence for calling AD&D 1e, exactly that.

By decades, I assume you mean 2000-something onward?

Because nobody called it "1e", ever, before 3e.  Possibly before the OSR.

AD&D, D&D, 1st Edition, and others ... but never "1e". And that is how I know the commentator wasn't involved during the era he wants to comment on.

But thank you for trying to offer education, even if it was misapplied.

It probably has more to do with being faster to type 1E rather than first edition. Everyone typed 1E, regardless of when they started playing. Pretty much nobody actually said, "Three E," or, "Four E," because those don't really roll off the tongue. However, people actually did say, "Five E," in conversation, and after ten years of that, it's caught on for other editions.

But you know, whatever makes you feel special.

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 07:49:34 PMAD&D, D&D, 1st Edition, and others

When I got started way back when, the question from all the gamers I knew was "Do you play Basic or Advanced?"

Then 2nd Edition came out and it changed to "Do you play First Edition or Second Edition?" Basic just dried up and blew away.

For me they will always be known as Basic, First Edition, Second Edition, 3.5, 4th, and "the latest one".

Greetings!

Hmmm..."AD&D", "1E", "1E AD&D"--it's all the same to me. I don't care. Lindybeige seems like a cool guy. I've seen a few of his programs.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Yeah, those terms are interchangeable now. And have been for 20 years.

Back in my day, we had "D&D", then "Advanced", then "2nd Edition". We heard of "Basic D&D" but figured it was for kids because of the name.

Quote from: Zalman on February 26, 2025, 07:41:45 AMYeah, those terms are interchangeable now. And have been for 20 years.

Back in my day, we had "D&D", then "Advanced", then "2nd Edition". We heard of "Basic D&D" but figured it was for kids because of the name.

Greetings!

Yep, exactly, Zalman. I remember those days well. I started playing with Basic D&D and then, yeah, when Advanced D&D came out, everyone dropped Basic D&D and switched to Advanced D&D. Basic D&D was for beginners, and kids. If you were really up on things, you naturally should be playing Advanced D&D.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Zee Bashew? Never heard of her...

Seriously, who are they and why should I give a fuk?

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 07:49:34 PMBy decades, I assume you mean 2000-something onward?

I found it being called "AD&D 1st Edition" by TSR staff in 1990.

Is your complaint that "AD&D 1e" is somehow incorrect but "AD&D 1st Edition" is not?  That seems pedantic to me but if you have some issue with abbreviations I mean, you're not wrong- I don't think people abbreviated "edition" to "e" much in the 90s.

I wouldn't expect that abbreviation to be used by TSR, so I didn't check any dragon magazines for it.  I was able to find plenty of references to "AD&D 1e" in old newsgroups, but the earliest reference I could find was 1999.

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.frp.dnd/c/mJHZ95P0czk/m/jfxPSZQJx3wJ

However, the abbreviation "1e" or "1E" goes back much farther.  In this thread it is referred to as both "1E" and "1st Ed":
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.frp.dnd/c/nmAlyae_PnM/m/iYFYQkJ3_3EJ
But that 1996 post appears to be a bit of a one-off.

We see it again in 1997:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.frp.dnd/c/geXaSwkByDY/m/1qQeKWSJ3G8J
Then there's dozens of references starting in 1998 and going forward it's pages and pages of "1e" or "1E" to mean the original AD&D game.

QuoteAD&D, D&D, 1st Edition, and others ... but never "1e". And that is how I know the commentator wasn't involved during the era he wants to comment on.

I call it AD&D 1e and I was around in that era.  I'm sure if you asked me back then I'd say "first edition" (because there was never any confusion about the actual base game), but going from "AD&D 1st Edition" to "AD&D 1e" doesn't strike me as an outrage.  Perhaps it is because I'm much more a computer dork than literary wonk.

I don't think it's a valid shibboleth, because people aren't time capsules. 

Your conclusion- that he probably wasn't around then, doesn't really know what he's talking about, or whatever it is you are exactly implying- is almost assuredly correct though.

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 04:19:29 PMI stopped listening when he said "1e AD&D". Immediately knew he had no idea what he was talking about.

Kind of a moment where you realize how much older you are than these people, and how they are discussing things they don't really understand, lol. Or sigh.  Maybe both?

See, I agree 100%. They do not understand. These yutoob influencer/personalities are just pandering to their audience.

Quote from: S'mon on February 25, 2025, 07:06:17 AM

Quote from: Omega on February 10, 2025, 02:47:45 PMI dropped Lindybeige for similar reasons after he did a video calling out some LARP because they did not like a tall "POC" wanting to play a short pale skinned dwarf

Funny, Lloyd usually gets attacked from the Left for eg accepting that there are sex differences between male & female psychology.

That is hilariously karmic as he was virtue signalling way back.