Quote from: Spinachcat on March 12, 2021, 05:06:04 AM

Quote from: Zak S on March 11, 2021, 08:10:48 PM
The main complaint is defamation. GenCon said things that aren't true, so they're getting sued.

Good. Kick their teeth through their assholes.

Agreed. GenCon delenda est.

I'm surprised TBP has not heard of this and begun accusing Zak of being a bad person for daring to not bend the knee.

Well, when people spread lies or unsubstantiated rumors about you, and thus it affects your career, reputation and earning potential. Then they deserve a big kick in the teeth through the justice system.

Quote from: sureshot on March 12, 2021, 09:29:16 AM
I'm surprised TBP has not heard of this and begun accusing Zak of being a bad person for daring to not bend the knee.

I'm pretty certain Zak is not allowed to be mentioned at TBP, although they might make an exception for some Two Minute Hate.

Emmanuel Goldstein, eat your heart out.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 08:19:32 AM

That's their problem, not yours. Unless, of course, they want to join the lawsuit as a defendant.

Focus on winning.

You don't grasp the situation: The problem is that people spread misnformation about a variety of things. Lots of people, not just GenCon. The problem has always been that it's the biggest problem in the RPG sphere.
Suing Gen Con will stop GenCon from doing it and expose them but it doesn't help with many of the other people.

Saying " don't address that problem until your lawsuits are done" is the same as saying " don't ever address that problem".

It's like saying "If you work at Domino's, focus on delivering one pizza". For one: there are a lot of other pizzas to deliver, for two, it just doesn't take that much "focus" to deliver one pizza.

Just because the only way I've found to deal with GenCon's misinformation problem is to sue them does not mean they're the only problem or that that is the only way to solve the problem for all the people causing it.

Quote from: sureshot on March 12, 2021, 09:29:16 AM
I'm surprised TBP has not heard of this and begun accusing Zak of being a bad person for daring to not bend the knee.

Since I successfully sued Ettin, tbp behaves differently.

However there are moderators and exmoderators are still on Twitter being part of the problem.

Quote from: Zak S on March 12, 2021, 12:15:48 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 08:19:32 AM

That's their problem, not yours. Unless, of course, they want to join the lawsuit as a defendant.

Focus on winning.

You don't grasp the situation: The problem is that people spread misnformation. Lots of people, not just GenCon. The problem has always been that it's the biggest problem in the RPG sphere.
Suing Gen Con will stop GenCon from doing it and expose them as part of the problem but it doesn't help with all the other people.

Saying " don't address that problem until your lawsuits are done" is the same as saying " don't ever address that problem".

It's like saying "If you work at Domino's, focus on delivering one pizza". For one: there are a lot of other pizzas to deliver, for two, it just doesn't take that much "focus" to deliver one pizza.

Just because the only way I've found to deal with GenCon's misinformation problem is to sue them does not mean they're the only problem or that that is the only way to solve the problem for all the people causing it.

You plan to spend the rest of your life fighting misinformation? Are you made of money, Zak? Can you spring for lunch?

Mind you, I'm fully on board with curbstomping GenCon simply because they enjoy that large footprint in gaming. But if it's as you say, and legal results will not convince some people, what makes you think a judgement against GenCon will get them to rethink their stance?

I can't help but think a policy of endless lawsuits will have diminishing returns.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 01:27:22 PM
You plan to spend the rest of your life fighting misinformation?

Anyone who works in RPGs has already made that decision. That's basically the job now, for everyone. Even if they don't want it.

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I can't help but think a policy of endless lawsuits will have diminishing returns.

It seems like you can't remember the conversation you're having. Let's review:

You said "Don't attempt to deal with misinformation via online comments, concentrate on suing people"

I said "If my goal is addressing misinformation, I have to sue people and also simultaneously do other things besides lawsuits."

Quote from: Zak S on March 12, 2021, 01:31:58 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 01:27:22 PM
You plan to spend the rest of your life fighting misinformation?

Anyone who works in RPGs has already made that decision. That's basically the job now, for everyone. Even if they don't want it.

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I can't help but think a policy of endless lawsuits will have diminishing returns.

It seems like you can't remember the conversation you're having. Let's review:

You said "Don't attempt to deal with misinformation via online comments, concentrate on suing people"

I said "If my goal is addressing misinformation, I have to sue people and also simultaneously do other things besides lawsuits."

Don't misquote me, Zak. I'm trying to be sympathetic here.

My advice has been: do not try your case in the court of public opinion. Why? Because commentary there can get out of hand and people can and have made admissions against interest which wind up in the very case they're pursuing.

There's a reason why many corporations refuse to comment on ongoing legal actions, after all.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 01:40:06 PM


My advice has been: do not try your case in the court of public opinion.

Again, you're not understanding the situation. You're just repeating a stock phrase and Lawyer advice 101.

The situation is not "GenCon has done wrong and that needs to be fixed, but nobody else has done wrong, only GenCon. So that is the only thing Zak should address in any way and the only important thing in the world for Zak is winning this one suit against GenCon.".

The situation is "GenCon has done wrong and that needs to be fixed and that is being addressed through a lawsuit with GenCon. Also and in addition,  dozens of other people have also done wrong in other, unrelated ways, and that also needs to be fixed, in some cases via public comment, which, in those cases, may be the more appropriate instrument."

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 01:40:06 PM

Quote from: Zak S on March 12, 2021, 01:31:58 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 01:27:22 PM
You plan to spend the rest of your life fighting misinformation?

Anyone who works in RPGs has already made that decision. That's basically the job now, for everyone. Even if they don't want it.

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I can't help but think a policy of endless lawsuits will have diminishing returns.

It seems like you can't remember the conversation you're having. Let's review:

You said "Don't attempt to deal with misinformation via online comments, concentrate on suing people"

I said "If my goal is addressing misinformation, I have to sue people and also simultaneously do other things besides lawsuits."

Don't misquote me, Zak. I'm trying to be sympathetic here.

My advice has been: do not try your case in the court of public opinion. Why? Because commentary there can get out of hand and people can and have made admissions against interest which wind up in the very case they're pursuing.

There's a reason why many corporations refuse to comment on ongoing legal actions, after all.

Greetings!

My friend, just say "Good Luck" and walk away.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Zak S on March 12, 2021, 01:47:58 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 01:40:06 PM


My advice has been: do not try your case in the court of public opinion.

Again, you're not understanding the situation. You're just repeating a stock phrase and Lawyer advice 101.

The situation is not "GenCon has done wrong and that needs to be fixed, but nobody else has done wrong, only GenCon. So that is the only thing Zak should address in any way and the only important thing in the world for Zak is winning this one suit against GenCon.".

The situation is "GenCon has done wrong and that needs to be fixed and that is being addressed through a lawsuit with GenCon. Also and in addition,  dozens of other people have also done wrong and that also needs to be fixed, in some cases via public comment, which, in those cases, may be the more appropriate instrument."

Then by all means, sue the living fuck out of them. I'm not telling you that you shouldn't.

I quote my earlier post:

QuoteThat's their problem, not yours. Unless, of course, they want to join the lawsuit as a defendant.

Focus on winning.

I think you've misinterpreted my remarks as 'Zak should focus on GenCon'. Well, I would note that GenCon probably has deeper pockets than Generic Woketard #54, so you might have more luck extracting amonetary judgement from the former. But I suspect that's not what you're after. As you noted, you did force Ettin to apologize and retract his comments.

I don't expect you to explain your legal strategy, but I wonder: how many of the subpoenas and suits you've had people served with had the offer of 'make a public apology and this goes away'?

In closing: lol, calm down.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 01:56:24 PM

I quote my earlier post:

QuoteThat's their problem, not yours. Unless, of course, they want to join the lawsuit as a defendant.

Focus on winning.

I think you've misinterpreted my remarks as 'Zak should focus on GenCon'. Well, I would note that GenCon probably has deeper pockets than Generic Woketard #54, so you might have more luck extracting amonetary judgement from the former. But I suspect that's not what you're after. As you noted, you did force Ettin to apologize and retract his comments.

He also paid a cash settlement. And he acts very differently now.

In general, the thing of very much wanting to give condescending advice/comment and so assuming my goals and the legal details of my situation fit the scenario that would make that condescending advice/comment warranted isn't a good place to start.

I think it's great when celebrities are so happy to reach out to and interact with their adoring fans.