Quote from: mhensley;1051219TheQuartering guy was attacked at Gencon

He wasn't.

He and his alleged attacker were both in Indianapolis to attend Gen Con, but that's something different, at least as far as Gen Con Management / ICC would be concerned.

Well, most people at Gencon do suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Quote from: Motorskills;1051424He and his alleged attacker were both in Indianapolis to attend Gen Con, but that's something different, at least as far as Gen Con Management / ICC would be concerned.

They are both at Gen Con today. Gen Con is allowing someone to walk around the vendor hall less then 24 hours after he said he wanted to murder an attendee.

All of this is a violation of Gen Con's harrassment policy which, BTW, never states that it only applies to events that happen on the convention grounds.

Promethean Vigil, I implore you to post your opinions far and wide every day and please try to make them more extreme.

Trump 2020 needs your volunteer hours!!

Quote from: soltakss;1051304I am, of course, a wishy-washy liberal in the UK, which probably makes me quite lefty on the US scale,

If you support freedom of expression and stand against political violence, there is nothing wishy-washy about you.

Unfortunately, these days you might NOT be called liberal either!

Quote from: Dimitrios;1051318The most charitable interpretation I can think of for Gencon's non-response (disclaimer: not a lawyer) is that since this didn't take place in the convention area it's officially Not Gencon's Problem.

I agree.

There is ZERO good for GenCon to make a peep about this.

Quote from: Silas1066;1051347I go to conventions to game, not to see strippers. Jeremy was right: cosplay is lingerie (most of the time)

Women cosplay at nightclubs! The only difference is they are cosplaying their favorite models in fashion media, not cartoon characters.

And non-geek girls love to dress up for Halloween...sexy nurse, sexy vampire, sexy nun, sexy zombie, etc.

So of course most cosplay would have a sex appeal component because the majority of popular women's fashion is devoted to sex appeal.

And if you look at many (but not all) anime female characters, they're dressed for sex appeal.

But nobody should touch anyone else without their permission. Touching cosplayers is creepy shit.

For the record, if someone with my identical views physically attacks the most rabid freakjob SJW in all existence, I want that someone to get arrested and punished and the SJW defended.

We MUST tolerate the existence of opposing opinions in the public sphere, regardless of how great our disagreement.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1051422Meanwhile in the lifting world, a guy deadlifting was assaulted by another gym member. Initially, management backed the assaulter, but they appearing to be turning around after a social media drama. The victim has gone to the police who will deal with things from here.

Sound familiar?

The only common phrase seems to be "social media". I wonder...

The ride. It never fucking ends.

Quote from: Omega;1051253If that is the person they identified then add kickstarter fraud to his list of misdeeds. Game funded in 2013 and still nada.

While acknowledging the mote in my own eye, I hope this doesn't distract from the core issue.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1051270at least Skarka didn't assault anyone and then try to disappear down the rabbit hole.

Nah, he just tries to doxx people he doesn't like and ends up targeting the wrong ones.

Though given his #Twitter I wouldn't put it past him.

Quote from: Diffan;1051275Actually he was banned for continued harassment of a cosplayer.

Yes, and yet such harassment was never verified.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1051277I am VERY concerned about the number of people who approve of the violence.

As am I, especially with how bad they are at identifying Nazis.

Quote from: S'mon;1051283This is what happens when the media say it's ok to punch an actual Nazi - soon the socjus scum are punching anyone who disagrees with them, and anyone who got punched must be a Nazi by definition.

I like your circular reasoning.

Quote from: Diffan;1051285Yeah a company perma-banned a guy for a trivial online disagreement.....

Yes.

Quote from: Diffan;1051293You mean the guy who said women have a biologically stronger interest in people rather than things, and tending to be more social, artistic, and prone to neuroticism?

Fuck outta here....

Not only are these trends true, they're even observable in people transitioning.

Let me ask you though: What's the difference between a man and a woman?

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1051360Seeing the faces of vile POS like Laura Southern et al.

Meh. Regardless of whatever else you think of her she's done an excellent job of exposing the religious bias regarding Islam at risk to her own safety.

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1051360Bloody Jordan Peterson's made it vogue and put "post-modernist" on the map which is a subject that ninety fucking percent of the population isn't even educated on enough to tackle.

In other words, the people who don't understand Jordan Peterson are uneducated

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1051360People need to really, really stop saying stupid shit and learn what world they live in.

You first.

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1051360Why go through the courts when public shamming is ten times as effective and can be done overnight?

Ten times as effective at what? Actual justice?

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1051360Talk shit, get hit. And now manz is well shook. Never forget you can be touched and you'll be more considered in how you express opinions.

What a great solution for those with a monopoly on physical force. I wonder if women have gotten the memo.

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1051360you have hundreds of white men marching around with torches chanting "blood and soil" just last year alone.

I'm pretty sure MS13 has more members, and has killed more people.

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1051360Not to mention the fact that until Trump came into office, White Supremacist groups and their affiliates were considered "domestic terrorist organizations"

They still are.

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1051360All this has served to do is get more that shithead more exposure to the type of bitter and self-entitled internet warriors he represents.

You mean the ones trying to remove pedos from positions of authority in the community and don't want people stalking their private social media spaces looking for wrongthink?

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1051360Thank the lord for the term "incel". Really applies to all this mess you've written right here with just a dash of Alex Jones for that modern take on 90's misogyny.

By using #Incel as an insult, you imply that men who cannot get laid are less worthy of consideration, and that sleeping with women should be seen as a source of status.

So congratulations dumbass, you're a misogynist!

Quote from: TJS;1051387It took barely any time at all searching for commentary on this incident yesterday to find t lot right wing people advocating that the correct response to this would have been to carry a concealed weapon and blow the attacker away - others throwing in racist and anti-semitic comments - even those this incident has nothing to do with race - and one commentator stating that the correct response to this is that "all liberals need to be put in the ground".

Quote from: KingCheops;1051391Right wing has gotten pretty snowflake/violent too.

Bad people on both sides, and they keep encouraging each other.

At least they both agree that the middle is their enemy.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1051392So, it sounds like a useless wastrel attacked a douchy wannabe blogger, who didn't get hurt but lost several buttons from his $17 Target button down. Sounds like the end of days!!!!

Just be thankful wastrel didn't complement wannabe's boobs. Then shit would have really gotten real.

Quote from: jeff37923;1051421People are donating him hundreds of dollars because this happened and the assailant claims that he did this because he is a fan of Anita Sarkessian? WTF?

And he is at this point just as much a professional victim as Anita, if not moreso. Hell, he started selling T-Shirts about the assault within less than a day. So fast in fact that I'm seriously wondering where he found the time to commission and submit the art.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1051441And he is at this point just as much a professional victim as Anita, if not moreso. Hell, he started selling T-Shirts about the assault within less than a day. So fast in fact that I'm seriously wondering where he found the time to commission and submit the art.

Slight point here, you're right that he's milking it for all it's worth, but at the same time, he's actually producing something tangible.  That's more than most Professional Victims have done since they started this rollercoaster.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1051442Slight point here, you're right that he's milking it for all it's worth, but at the same time, he's actually producing something tangible.  That's more than most Professional Victims have done since they started this rollercoaster.

Baah.  Some women in China are producing the t-shirts for a pittance a day.

He's just branding it - that's not anything tangible.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1051364Why the focus on sexual insults, brah? Got a bit of that repression going on yourself?

Hah, I wish. Would make things a lot simpler!

Quote from: tenbones;1051365@PrometheanVigil - That is the Voltron of Strawmen right there. 10/10 in your masterful destruction of it. You so good. So good.

I have no idea which part of my post you're responding to but hey, compliment's not necessary, just got a number of people on here saying stupid shit that they wouldn't dare say in real-life. Cheers though.

Quote from: Brad;1051366I work for a marketing firm...you want to dispute my simple factual claim?

Completely the opposite.

Quote from: jeff37923;1051369Brave words that I think you would take back when it is you getting touched for having an opinion someone disagrees with.

I have been attempted at, that shit ain't fun. But when you leave the dumb prick who tries you with a broken nose and you get away with a head cut, it works out. Especially when the idiot wants to make anti-black "jokes" about you right there in front of you because alcohol is a great courage booster.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1051401Yes it does.  Women have ALWAYS been the protected class.  Especially the rich ones.  Hell, every convenience we have ever invented, most of which are by men, have been to help women live stress free lives.  Stoves, styles of clothing, cars, sexual crime laws, just a couple of things that aided women primarily.

But this is not the thread for this.



Now, you're getting it.  Attack a woman, get publicly tarred and feathered for it!  Be SEEN as targeting a woman, same result.  And woman aren't protected?  Sure dood.  That's what happened to The Quartering, he explained his problem with Cosplayers and she spun it into a harassment story and is getting free money from it.



This blows my mind, do you even understand English?  Sorry, that inappropriate, I honestly apologize.  The better question is:  Do you know what portmanteau of which two words it stands for?

I'll help you out:

Involuntary Celibate.  And by the way, the word is gender neutral.

In case English is not your first language, the first word means 'Not given a choice'.  It's not something people choose to be, like Feminist, or Alt-Right or SJW.  It's a situation imposed on them by others, often due to things they can't control, like biology.  No matter what the Post Modernists want you to believe.

The thing is, the Incel 'thing' was just a way to try and understand the monstrosity of a Toronto man who drove a Truck of Peace into bunch of pedestrians.  And once the blame could be shifted onto the undesirables, the ones who have no chance with women of course, they stuck to the concept like glue.

Incels are no more a terrorist organization than us gamers are.

Again, this was a crime committed, let the police sort it out.

You read like the type o' person who ten years down the line will be like "It was different back then, I was in a wrong headspace, I can't believe I even said those kind of things". What you're saying is that wild.

If you wanna get dirty, you gotta learn to play dirty. Quartering played wrong. A lot of these guys get surprised when the shit blows up in their face. Like they don't see how they'll be perceived and the shit twisted. I just don't get how they can not see it ahead of time...

Alliteration, Oxymoron, Simile, Double Entendre -- all lovely big terms encapsulating language concepts used in literature. Don't you love using them rather than saying "two words mashed together to make a next one". How 'bout Allusion? Maybe add in a layer of unintentional self-parody. Freshly baked, outta the oven comes "Incel"!

Dude, I've seen at more than one party , the fugliest-looking guys who've got the most talent on around their arm and one in particular I'm thinking of was a goofy guy who fugliness could conceivably have been because of mild disability. But you know what -- he was seriously a friendly guy, he could hold a conversation, got on with everyone and he made his girl laugh so no wonder she was all over him!

Incels project their problems with confidence and self-esteem onto women and blame them for their inability to get laid. It's one of the classic behaviors used to justify sexually violating women because the perps feel they've been "denied". Via the power of the etherwebs, they've got together and spun some self-indulgent, bumper sticker philosophy around it with lots of flowery victim mentality crap and then spend their days emotionally circlejerking in that same community.

Where did I say incels are terrorists? Actually, on that subject, the same base mentality has been present in lot of fucked-up people over the years. Suicide bombers, school shooters, serial rapists/killers -- and before you can say "BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE OF ALLLLL", it's just one core symptom among others that leads to some of these fuckos doing the shit that they do. You don't need to self-identify as socio-sexually impotent to be a piece of shit -- 'plenty people been that long before the term was a thing.

Quote from: Lurtch;1051410There is a lot of money being a somewhat attractive female dressing up as geek brand stuff and collecting money from thirsty nerds.

Thirst trap is quenching.

Quote from: Omega;1051408I know a few cosplayers and costumers who go to cons in the hopes of being hired as representatives for something, anything even. And hiring a good cosplayer is actually a sound business move as the person has shown they have the skills, look, and/or charisma to pull it off. They might see someone dressed up as Maleficent and hire her to be their Nox representative. Bonus if she can make her own costume.

It is similar to game designers putting out free games for contests. Some hope to attract a publisher either for their game or any game. And it works.

Trick is. Its rare.

Quite right. Good for them if they can get it.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1051431Promethean Vigil, I implore you to post your opinions far and wide every day and please try to make them more extreme.

Trump 2020 needs your volunteer hours!!

But nobody should touch anyone else without their permission. Touching cosplayers is creepy shit.

Why thank you, I do try!

Hah, I can't wait for all the shady crap Trump's involved in to catch up with him. Man's been pulling out all the stops to get people off his case and that's just on the Russia collusion stuff! But he doesn't concern me, it's the wackos under him like Mike Pence and Betsy DeVos that people need to watch out for.

Agreed. Greasy, con-goer hands gropping all over you and trying to get a smooch in. Ewww, that's some nightmare fuel.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1051441Meh. Regardless of whatever else you think of her she's done an excellent job of exposing the religious bias regarding Islam at risk to her own safety.



In other words, the people who don't understand Jordan Peterson are uneducated



You first.



Ten times as effective at what? Actual justice?



What a great solution for those with a monopoly on physical force. I wonder if women have gotten the memo.



I'm pretty sure MS13 has more members, and has killed more people.



They still are.



You mean the ones trying to remove pedos from positions of authority in the community and don't want people stalking their private social media spaces looking for wrongthink?



By using #Incel as an insult, you imply that men who cannot get laid are less worthy of consideration, and that sleeping with women should be seen as a source of status.

So congratulations dumbass, you're a misogynist!

Nah, targeting the culture of the islamic countries and holding them up would be far more effective 'cept that don't spin headlines. Easy target's the burqa thing: the qur'an doesn't care about stuff like that, it's the ultra-conservative culture of several of the arab states that caused that to be a thing.

On the contrary: JP is a proof-positive that you don't need an original idea, just a rock-solid execution when it comes to presenting it with a different coat of paint. Regardless of education, people be swept up by it if they can't see that. The lion king spoken essay series was pleasant background listening, even if half the people in that lecture weren't even born when that movie was made.

If I was, I would.

Statement decomposition is such a bad play. It's funny, you're acting as though women don't check other women in the exact same way, almost like it would be inconceivable that women could ever get physical! Added to that your smarm-filled gun jumping below and matey, I'm concerned you may be a genuine misogynist AND misandrist.

Low-key begging the question -- how blase.

Nope, that status got removed from the FBI's files on those orgs. There was a whole expose site on it ages back. Quite frightening.

Ab-so-fucking-lute-ly! Did you not get what this has been all about?

What is with you and decomposition plays? Aim higher. I said if he focused JUST on exposing paedos, everything would be swell. But he doesn't and so we get this crap.

If I used "incel" as an insult, sure, but instead I deconstructed that term because that's more useful and effective. And since you've now shown how quick you'll jump for a cheap hit, we can safely assume anything else you have to say on the subject isn't really gonna add anything.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1051441While acknowledging the mote in my own eye, I hope this doesn't distract from the core issue.

And he is at this point just as much a professional victim as Anita, if not moreso. Hell, he started selling T-Shirts about the assault within less than a day. So fast in fact that I'm seriously wondering where he found the time to commission and submit the art.

1: Unless you are in board gaming or had any run-ins with the guy back then, or were a backer then most likely hardly anyone was aware. But the game and his past behavior could be warning signs. but are so sporatic and obscure no one could have seen it coming unless he like announced it before going there.

2: Well hes been playing that card, and legitimately too, for a while now. Though to his credit so far havent seen him really play it up. Hes been more often just bringing it up as part of the bigger problem. So instead of playing the professional victem he just notes there is a problem and its happened to him as well. YMMV on how to read that of course.

As for the T-shirts. Wouldnt surprise me. Motivated people can crank something out surprisingly fast. So could be someone looked at the event and said screw this heres some art. boom.

Still weird but there you go. And it may get more eyes on the situation so WOTC cant just sweep it totally under the rug. Obviously the attack did not occur actually in the con. But WOTC has been acting as if it did instead of just stating it happened off site.

Though GenCon tends to sprawl massively and take up not just the convention site but nearby hotels in some cases. One year an event I signed up for was actually in a hotel a block or two from the convention proper. And this was a booked event in the Gencon event list so yeah if there was gaming going on at that bar then technically one could argue it was part f the con. I doubt anyone actually hosted an event there. Though back in the TSR days there was an event held at a bar so who knows.

Quote from: Omega;1051459Still weird but there you go. And it may get more eyes on the situation so WOTC cant just sweep it totally under the rug. Obviously the attack did not occur actually in the con. But WOTC has been acting as if it did instead of just stating it happened off site.

Does WotC own Gen Con? I thought that Gen Con was owned and operated by a private group headed by Peter Atkinson.

I've been watching this story unfold over the last few days...

I don't know anything about the Quatering's channel or who he is. Other than the fact I've watched his vid about being attacked. And heard rumors that he harassed a cosplayer... (and if he did, that's a dickish thing to do).

Regardless of that, the way I see it he was attacked for no valid reason. I mean, if I was to attack people just because I didn't like what they said it'd be a very long list. However, I have more then 3 brain cells so I don't waste my time (I also obey the law).

This prick, should be flung in jail for an unprovoked assault. Simple as... And Gencons lack of response is absolutely bizarre. Even if they didn't name names until the Police report actually came out. They should condemn any violence against its guests. Also, this little prick should not be allowed walk about at the event either. If that was any other form of alleged harassment you know they'd be kicked out even just as a precaution.

Has their been any response from the authorities yet??

I always find it predictable, that these pricks always pick the easy targets. Would he punch a 16 stone skinhead? I think not.

Quote from: The Exploited.;1051462I've been watching this story unfold over the last few days...

I don't know anything about the Quatering's channel or who he is. Other than the fact I've watched his vid about being attacked. And heard rumors that he harassed a cosplayer... (and if he did, that's a dickish thing to do).

He didn't harass a cosplayer. He criticised a cosplayer. I don't agree with his criticism (I have no moral objection to babes using their looks + skills + labour to extract money from consenting nerds), but it wasn't harassment. She claimed it was, falsely AFAICT.