He never said it had no place in anything. He said cosplaying isn't the same hobby as actually playing Magic the Gathering. Which is true. And many women cosplayers do it because they can make significant money from thirsty nerds, also true. He never harassed her or asked others to harass her.

I know women are weak and intellectually deficient and we need Seattle men to protect them.

Quote from: jhkim;1058260My favorite convention, though, is AmberCon NorthWest in Portland in November.

http://www.amberconnw.org/

Never knew about this one. Maybe better to say it is Troutdale, which is outside of Portland.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1058238I always support everyone's free speech on every issue. As I've posted before, I worked as a porn editor back in college so I'm familiar with actual humans fucking for cash.  

My problem with "slut" and "whore" is there isn't an equivalent word in English for men who engage in the same behavior. They're stigma words. Also, "slut" and "whore" are traditionally focused on women fucking for fun or money, not just posing for pics. To me, there's something creepily puritanical to use those words against a cosplayer.

BTW, anyone have any links to her pics that caused all this uproar?

The male stigma equivalents in English you are looking for are: rentboy, rough trade, gigolo, and boy toy. You're welcome.

Quote from: Opaopajr;1058460The male stigma equivalents in English you are looking for are: rentboy, rough trade, gigolo, and boy toy. You're welcome.

Those are not equivalent.

Quote from: Motorskills;1058462Those are not equivalent.

You're right.  They're WORSE.

Fuck boy.

Quote from: Motorskills;1058462Those are not equivalent.

That is your Male Privilege talking.

Quote from: Opaopajr;1058460The male stigma equivalents in English you are looking for are: rentboy, rough trade, gigolo, and boy toy. You're welcome.

So, if I am at someone's place and I call their father a "rough trade" or one of the others, then I expect they'll just look at me oddly or similar. They're more likely to be puzzled than offended.

If I am at someone's place and I call their mother a whore, then I'll expect an immediate angry, visceral reaction.

Do people really think differently?

Unless she's into that.

Quote from: jhkim;1058478So, if I am at someone's place and I call their father a "rough trade" or one of the others, then I expect they'll just look at me oddly or similar. They're more likely to be puzzled than offended.

If I am at someone's place and I call their mother a whore, then I'll expect an immediate angry, visceral reaction.

Do people really think differently?

There will always be those who don't know what a word means. But in the English language there are plenty who know that calling one's father a rentboy, rough trade, gigolo, or boy toy IS NOT a good thing. But you are privileged to extrapolate your ignorance as the norm upon the world.

edit: Ooh, don't forget the demure forms for polite company, such as a "kept man." That was always a great one to throw around. Delightfully emasculating while still with less homosexual prostitute connotations.

Oh, the words are there, children. You just may need a helpful reminder, I think.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1058463You're right.  They're WORSE.

I disagree, perhaps with the exception of Rentboy. Think about how those feminine descriptors are most typically used - as cruel insults that often have little to do with the trading of sex for money, and carry a particular weight of misogyny when launched by a man against a woman.


Whore is a basic noun, but if people are talking in a more cultural context, the word prostitute is almost always used.

Gigolo is super-rare IME, unless Richard Gere is the topic of conversation. Importantly it is just as often used in a laudatory manner. (Now you can argue there are issues with that, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree).

Boy Toy might be in the mix - I've only ever heard it used in a comedic context, YMMV.

Rentboy is the exception, because there is definite harshness associated with it - but I have never heard it used as an insult.





So come on Brady, explain how I am wrong about this.

Quote from: Motorskills;1058488So come on Brady, explain how I am wrong about this.

They're worse because the emasculate a man.  Slut and whore don't take anything away from a woman.  Hell, men LOVE sluts and whores, for some of us, they seem to be the only type of woman we can get.

Quote from: Motorskills;1058488Think about how those feminine descriptors are most typically used - as cruel insults that often have little to do with the trading of sex for money, and carry a particular weight of misogyny when launched by a man against a woman.

...explain how I am wrong about this.

SlutWalk

Slut-Shaming

Ethical Slut

For the sexually liberated, the term "slut" is a badge of honor and here you are trying to derail a sexual revolution that started back in the 60's and was synonymous with Robert A. Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1058489They're worse because they emasculate a man.  Slut and whore don't take anything away from a woman.  Hell, men LOVE sluts and whores, for some of us, they seem to be the only type of woman we can get.

Yeah, not buying any of that nonsense, sounds like bizarro aggressive incel stuff.

Quote from: Motorskills;1058491Yeah, not buying any of that nonsense, sounds like bizarro aggressive incel stuff.

How hypocritically puritanical....