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Youtuber violently assaulted at Gencon by sjw

Started by mhensley, August 02, 2018, 06:31:51 PM

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Darrin Kelley

#600
September 25, 2018, 03:11:49 PM
Quote from: Lurtch;1057782Why does a WoTC ban carry over to GenCon?

It has been their central showcase for decades. That's why.
 

jeff37923

#601
September 25, 2018, 03:28:17 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057781Hambly should have been banned in the first place, because of WOTC's ban of him from their events. The fact he was allowed to attend the convention in the first place was just begging for trouble.

"If she just wouldn't have worn that dress, she wouldn't have been raped!"
"Meh."

EOTB

#602
September 25, 2018, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1053750The attacker deserves to be convicted. No question about that. And I truly hope he gets what he has coming to him.

However. Hambly was at what has been traditionally been a WOTC event. GenCon has always been that. And WOTC banned him from all of their events. So there is some blame coming their way because of his ability to attend an event where he otherwise should have been banned.

Does that justify the attacker attacking him? Not at all. But WOTC possesses a certain responsibility in not standing up to the fact they have banned him from all of their other events. They enabled the situation by not acting.

I'm not going to argue whether their ban was justified or not. It is what it is.

Quote from: EOTB;1053751WOTC sold GenCon almost 20 years ago.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057781It's all GenCon could do to avoid future liability. Banning Hambly and his attacker.

But I also believe it is a case of too little, too late. The attacker had attacked others in the past. He should have been removed a long time ago.

Hambly should have been banned in the first place, because of WOTC's ban of him from their events. The fact he was allowed to attend the convention in the first place was just begging for trouble.

Quote from: Lurtch;1057782Why does a WoTC ban carry over to GenCon?

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057783It has been their central showcase for decades. That's why.

Do you still not understand that WOTC doesn't own GenCon?
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Darrin Kelley

#603
September 25, 2018, 03:44:47 PM
jeff, that is bullshit. And you know it.

Hambly had been banned from all WOTC events. He was a known provocateur. He definitely was not an innocent party.
 

Darrin Kelley

#604
September 25, 2018, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: EOTB;1057788Do you still not understand that WOTC doesn't own GenCon?

Doesn't matter that they don't own it. They are its biggest exhibitor.
 

Warboss Squee

#605
September 25, 2018, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1057785"If she just wouldn't have worn that dress, she wouldn't have been raped!"

Damnit. Beat me to it.

jeff37923

#606
September 25, 2018, 03:49:47 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057789jeff, that is bullshit. And you know it.

Hambly had been banned from all WOTC events. He was a known provocateur. He definitely was not an innocent party.

So you think that the attack on him was justified.

By saying that if he wasn't there, he wouldn't have been attacked, you are engaging in victim blaming. You are saying that it is Hambly's fault that he was attacked. So it isn't bullshit.
"Meh."

Darrin Kelley

#607
September 25, 2018, 03:58:42 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1057792So you think that the attack on him was justified.

By saying that if he wasn't there, he wouldn't have been attacked, you are engaging in victim blaming. You are saying that it is Hambly's fault that he was attacked. So it isn't bullshit.

No, I don't think the attack on him was justified.

And it's obvious that the only posts of mine that you do pay attention to are those you seek out as fodder to troll.

Hambly shouldn't have been there in the first place. WOTC and GenCon should have been on top of the situation far before this attack happened. The fact they weren't, shows absolute blatant negligence on their part.

His attacker shouldn't have been there in the first place. Because this was definitely not his first time attacking someone at/near that convention. The whole situation was preventable. If the management of GenCon and WOTC had actually been paying attention.

I'm pointing the actual blame at GenCon and WOTC.
 

Steven Mitchell

#608
September 25, 2018, 03:58:53 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057789jeff, that is bullshit. And you know it.

Hambly had been banned from all WOTC events. He was a known provocateur. He definitely was not an innocent party.

He stepped over a big patty, but he wasn't the bull that put it on the ground.  His answer was directly on point.

jeff37923

#609
September 25, 2018, 04:03:37 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057795And it's obvious that the only posts of mine that you do pay attention to are those you seek out as fodder to troll.

Only when you say something incredibly stupid. If you'll pay closer attention, you'll find that I am attacking your idea and not you.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057795Hambly shouldn't have been there in the first place. WOTC and GenCon should have been on top of the situation far before this attack happened. The fact they weren't, shows absolute blatant negligence on their part.

His attacker shouldn't have been there in the first place. Because this was definitely not his first time attacking someone at/near that convention. The whole situation was preventable. If the management of GenCon and WOTC had actually been paying attention.

I'm pointing the actual blame at GenCon and WOTC.

OK, so GenCon (not a subdivision of WotC) should have pre-emptively banned Hambly because why?
"Meh."

Ras Algethi

#610
September 25, 2018, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1057798OK, so GenCon (not a subdivision of WotC) should have pre-emptively banned Hambly because why?

His safety of course!

Darrin Kelley

#611
September 25, 2018, 04:08:47 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1057798OK, so GenCon (not a subdivision of WotC) should have pre-emptively banned Hambly because why?

He violated their terms of service. Regarding online harassment.

Very same reason WOTC banned him from their events in the first place.
 

jeff37923

#612
September 25, 2018, 04:13:20 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057800He violated their terms of service. Regarding online harassment.

Very same reason WOTC banned him from their events in the first place.

Please detail this online harassment.
"Meh."

Darrin Kelley

#613
September 25, 2018, 04:16:50 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1057801Please detail this online harassment.

I'm not your encyclopedia. And I am not your servant.

If you want information on the whole situation, it's been detailed endlessly through this very thread.
 

jeff37923

#614
September 25, 2018, 04:23:52 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057802I'm not your encyclopedia. And I am not your servant.

If you want information on the whole situation, it's been detailed endlessly through this very thread.

Indeed, which is why I am wondering why you are blaming the man who was physically attacked here.

From everything presented, all of this started because of a single opinion piece that Hambly YouTubed and Sprankle flipped out over - using it to ask for Patreon donations and then abandoning MtG cosplay for nursing school. Surely that is grounds for a physical attack.
"Meh."
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