Quote from: Xyxox;1051681Ah, when you quoted me and stated that It seemed that way.

I did not quote you.

I only commented here, on this topic, because of my past viewing of Hambly's Youtube spew.

I'm very much opposed to violence at any convention. It shouldn't be tolerated by anyone.

My view on dealing with it is very conservative. Avoid inviting provocateurs to the conventions in the first place. And the attacker in this case certainly had a long history of being a provocateur.

My view on conventions is pretty simple. Personal politics should be left at the door. And those who bring them up. No matter what side. Should have their passes canceled and be shown the door by security.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051691I only commented here, on this topic, because of my past viewing of Hambly's Youtube spew.

I'm very much opposed to violence at any convention. It shouldn't be tolerated by anyone.

My view on dealing with it is very conservative. Avoid inviting provocateurs to the conventions in the first place. And the attacker in this case certainly had a long history of being a provocateur.

My view on conventions is pretty simple. Personal politics should be left at the door. And those who bring them up. No matter what side. Should have their passes canceled and be shown the door by security.

sounds about right to me...

Quote from: Xyxox;1051667OFFS!

Agreed.

This is a public forum. It's completely unnecessary to have an insider.

So we can beat SJWs at will after this? SCORE.
Having read responses out there it is sad that people are defending an assault as a 'violent defensive right', or 'he was just an asshole' so it is fine to attack people that you disagree with.

Two-way street, that is.

Quote from: Xyxox;1051674Allegations are not evidence. Video would be evidence.  Multiple eyewitnesses swearing under oath would be evidence. Until then, everything Hambly has done since the alleged event (no police report for than 18 hours, taking down all videos he originally posted about the event) weakens the veracity of the allegations until such a time as court proceedings ensue.

Allegations worked wonders for the "victims" of Gamergate. And they got caught lying, and provocating and making money off it.

No publicly disseminating police reports there either.

But listen and believe, right?

I imagine if it's a hoax it will become clear soon enough.

Likewise if someone is actually charged.

It seems pointless to argue about it, when time will tell.

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1051662When they're pulling knives on each other for stupid shit like mobile phones ('cause that's how we interacted with each other circa mid-00s London) or because you won't let them call your darker-skinned friend a slur, yeah, no, they're getting time in a young offenders lockup. I wish I could say I stopped fighting when I hit uni... 'cept gradually its turned from physical to more social, tactical-like. Because, you know, I had (and continue to have) shit to lose.

I would like to think that your march did do something but ultimately, Alabama is still one of the worst states (some would argue the worst) for Black people to live and work. And of course you were told not to hit back: it kills any sympathy those marches were meant to drum up in the media. And I wish I could be virtue signalling, it seems like a pretty nice life -- bit fake though -- to lead these days. But I'm just that kinda of guy who actually means what he says and deconstructs bullshit where it rears its ugly head -- maybe I should turncoat?

Careful you don't cut yourself on all that edge there boyo.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1051628Whatever happened to "Believe the victim"?

You answer your own question.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1051633She's a woman. It's different.

See?

Quote from: sureshot;1051635Correction if she was a woman or trans-gendered or non-white it's different.

Yes, but his point is still valid.

Quote from: Xyxox;1051641I deny such a double standard exists. Believe it if you like.

Denying the truth does not change the truth.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1051699Allegations worked wonders for the "victims" of Gamergate. And they got caught lying, and provocating and making money off it.

No publicly disseminating police reports there either.

But listen and believe, right?

You're a white male!

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1051511It's 'wrong' only in so much as they're effectively whoring themselves, not showing off any real skill at costume making.

Are you a cosplayer? Because that's the kind of salt I hear from other cosplayers.

Narcissism's a hellofa drug.

Quote from: chirine ba kal;1051525[ATTACH=CONFIG]2685[/ATTACH]

...

hot.

Quote from: Mistwell;1051536If it didn't happen, don't you think the guy accused of making the attack would have said so by now? His Yelp is devastated. His Trip Advisor is devastated. His recommendations as a person who performs weddings has been trashed. He shut his Twitter down. Several national papers have now covered it. Naw man, if this simply didn't happen he'd have issued a statement to that effect by now.

Combined with 5 witnesses and a broken window and the bar also not issuing any denial that it happened...his own twitter inviting people to fight him at GenCon...he own Twitter being informed that this guy was going to be there...the victim clearly not knowing who it was that attacked him at first...and it's obvious it did happen.

Well it's not obvious, but the circumstantial evidence is pretty compelling.

Quote from: Omega;1051540Unfortunately the attacker is/was apparently bragging about it online

No they weren't.

Quote from: Omega;1051541Back on topic apparently the editor of the Nerdist is backing the attacker and calling for more attacks? W-T-F???

Yep.

Gets even better...

Quote from: Ben McShaneWe know fascists make "rational" arguments in bad faith. Civic engagement cannot defeat bad fair.

If fascists experience physical harm for publicly holding fascist views, they stop expressing those views in public. It works. That's why this is so triggering for you.

So not only does he dismiss rational argument entirely (because it's always in bad faith when it comes from 'nazis'), he endorses using violence to prevent people from expressing their views publicly (despite the fact it doesn't actually work), and uses the word 'triggering' in exactly the way which got White Wolf in trouble.

Quote from: jeff37923;1051607I'm running across several gamers who really want to brush this incident under the rug and pretend it never happened. Their outlook being that if it isn't acknowledged, then it doesn't exist, and they can go on back to being unconscious of this socjus problem in nerd culture.

Which is exactly what women who have been victims of sexual assault have been complaining about.

Quote from: KingCheops;1051612how do you feel about a woman getting assaulted (let's just say physically for comparison sake) at an after party at a nightclub and then allowing the identified abuser to run a booth the next day at the convention?

This actually happened when the head of Vile Genius games was accused of asking a woman if she wanted to "playtest his penis" in an offsite bar during Origins. Nobody seemed to have a problem associating the incident with the event then, and people went so far as to share pics of his daughter on #Twitter in an effort to condemn him.

Quote from: S'mon;1051668"It never happened... and it's great it happened!"

Permit me to Godwin and point out that this is what Holocaust deniers say.

BTW one way you can tell a hoaxer is by their refusal to go to the police or press charges; they want their claims kept well away from the actual police & judicial system, since there are potential serious consequences for lying. This guy's efforts to get the police to pay attention strongly indicate not-hoaxer to me.

#SlowClap

Quote from: Xyxox;1051627Sounds like most of the forum aren't buying Hambly's story either.

You say that as if rpg.net is somehow a credible source.

I'll stick with 4Chan thanks, as they've demonstrated an ability to expose the truth, as opposed to cover it up.

Quote from: Xyxox;1051627AAAaaaaand the alleged victim has now pulled all videos about the alleged attack from all of his channels,

That's because he's seeking justice through the legal system rather than an internet mob.

AAAaaaaand you're wrong...

Quote from: Xyxox;1051636there was also corroborating evidence for Sprankle's allegations of harassment in the form of Hambly videos taken down by YouTube for violating their harassment policy.

No, that's only evidence of people wanting to silence him and having the power to do so. #YouTube is (thankfully) not a court of law, and their policies are anything but just, let alone evenly enforced. I mean why else would they still allow Jeremy to have two #YouTube channels, right?

In the meantime, what evidence is there that Jeremy was harassing Sprankle, that his harassment is why she left cosplay, or that he's the leader of #Gamergate?

Quote from: Xyxox;1051627so until I see something to the contrary, I consider this a hoax gone bad in order to try and get retribution against somebody he doesn't like.

That's the difference between you and me. I assume nothing until I have evidence. You on the other hand have already made a judgement based off personal bias.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1051628Whatever happened to "Believe the victim"?

Quote from: Xyxox;1051636Whataboutism doesn't come into play here.

Oh reeeeely...

Quote from: Xyxox;1051641I deny such a double standard exists.

Then I dare you to make these same statements regarding a female victim on rpg.net, r/GamerGhazi, or resetera.com.

Matthew McFarland, C.A. Suleiman, Bill Webb, and Sean Patrick Fannon were all condemned solely through witness testimony without physical evidence or trial, and have been banned from sites and events because of it. In the meantime Anita Sarkeesian harassed an attendee on video and bullied a fellow panelist behind the scenes, and not only did VidCon gaslight us all on what actually happened, GenCon invited her as an Industry Guest of Honor.

Quote from: Xyxox;1051670Half the reason hoaxers are caught are because of their own stupidity, and Hambly doesn't impress me as being very intelligent.

If it's a hoax then 4Chan will find out soon enough.

In the meantime I'd stop saying stuff, as you're gonna look real stupid if it turns out you're wrong.
 

Quote from: Xyxox;1051674Allegations are not evidence.

I agree, which is why I don't #ListenAndBelieve.

Quote from: sureshot;1051666Careful everyone this poster is a snitch from rpg.net. One of my buddies had account perma-banned today and suddenly this guy starts posting here. I don't believe in coincidences. I would not be surprised if he is working with the mods over at TBP to get more people banned from there.

That's circumstantial as fuck, and I don't like dismissing people simply because they're new, especially when their statements are enough to discredit them. Besides, it's not like this thread is private or anything. So if there's stuff to snitch on they could find it by simply reading.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1051720...

hot.

Pretty comfortable, actually; all that steel and brass acts as a very efficient heat-sink, as I found out one winter day when I got hypothermia when I didn't wear the over-cloak.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1051697Agreed.

This is a public forum. It's completely unnecessary to have an insider.

Yet publishers and even other fora have people spy on forums.

Quote from: Omega;1051724Yet publishers and even other fora have people spy on forums.

Well perhaps - but you don't need someone to actually post to achieve that.

You just go and look.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1051720Are you a cosplayer? Because that's the kind of salt I hear from other cosplayers.

Narcissism's a hellofa drug.

Actually, I'm not.  I like cosplaying, some of the recreations are pretty good, but I'm suspicious of any pretty girl or guy who is dressing down in exceptionally (as in more so than the original costume) skimpy costumes and expecting to be respected.  Especially after the Vegan stunt at a local Comiccon.