Quote from: Mr. GC;597958Your standard basket weaver dismissal is duly noted and disregarded. Have something new to add, or are you done?

What have you added since you came here?  Basket weaver and herpaderp?

You haven't shown a single thing that makes any of us swoon with your 'helpful' insights.  You trumpet the most fundamentally flawed edition of D&D, yet your self worth is so flaccid that you need to go on the internet to proclaim your 'expertise' in order to get a bump.   It's not our fault your id is so wrapped up in your supposed 'dominance' of D&D.  

Congratulations you break an already broken game.  Wow what an accomplishment.
This is how much we care

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;597965Dont make this into another basket weaver thread. Subject is magic shops.

Quote from: Mr. GC*stopped talking after demonstrating that that guy had nothing new to add*

Quote from: SommerjonMore herpaderp.

Quote from: Mr. GC;597914Because the basket weavers are so very good at leaving well enough alone. Oh wait, they restarted this mess with their herpaderp comments, so now I'm refinishing it.

Fact of the matter is that gold is only as useful as the magic items you can buy with it, so if you cannot buy any it is not useful.

It also isn't a coincidence the game is balanced around the assumption you're using something like 99% of your wealth on loot that makes you more effective (the rest being rounding errors and all that other junk, in that order).

See what I mean?

Now if someone has something new to add when it comes to magic items are the only useful things you can buy ok, we can talk about that. If not though then I'm done.

Quote from: LordVreeg;597966Dude, you make me very, very happy.

yes, this is the truth, and the normal cost is 160 goodwives to buy some that is made, so it is the kind of thing that is normally bought by the upper classes or guilds.  It is, like silk or the ruby, a luxury item.  The availability of magic and spellcasting, as well as the rarity of some reagents, is part of the economy.  The Scarlet Pilums are not going to be buying luxury items.

My point is (quoting you) "Magic is a cornerstone of a fantasy world."  
Simple magic items would be all around a fantasy setting.  But it isn't in D&D(and most older RPGs)  That will always bug me.

Quote from: Sommerjon;597976My point is (quoting you) "Magic is a cornerstone of a fantasy world."  
Simple magic items would be all around a fantasy setting.  But it isn't in D&D(and most older RPGs)  That will always bug me.

Well, no, the frequency distribution of magic items is still going to be part of supply and demand and availability.
What bugs me is when the mechanics and/or the setting does not take these into account.  When artificing items is a difficult magic, with major expenditures of cash, it will be rare.  The availability of magic items is not directly related to the commonality of magic as a whole, in other words.

Most of the cradlelands of Celtricia have a huge striation of wealth, without a large middle class, and with much of the wealth tied up in guild/organizations.  Wood, peat, etc are still used as the primary heat sources for most of the population, evercoal is found in many organizations, high end businesses, and wealthy families.

Quote from: Mr. GC;597880Also lol at the autists throwing around autism accusations. Seriously, one of the key tells is being unable to grasp subtlety and taking everything literally. This describes Justin and Tristam perfectly. I, meanwhile have run circles around them and make them Duck Season repeatedly with the same.

subtelty? you?
LOL, you have absolutely no self awareness at all do you? It's like talking to a comedy idiot savant. You should write fanfic.

You are trying to explain human behavior to a robot. From other planet. From Bizarro dimension.

Good luck with that.

Quote from: LordVreeg;597983Well, no, the frequency distribution of magic items is still going to be part of supply and demand and availability.
What bugs me is when the mechanics and/or the setting does not take these into account.  When artificing items is a difficult magic, with major expenditures of cash, it will be rare.  The availability of magic items is not directly related to the commonality of magic as a whole, in other words.

The artificial attempt in making magic item creation difficult is rather irksome to me.  The practical applications for the tactical gear that PCs come across is mind boggling, yet these things are never used in that capacity?  Why?

Quote from: Sommerjon;598052The artificial attempt in making magic item creation difficult is rather irksome to me.  The practical applications for the tactical gear that PCs come across is mind boggling, yet these things are never used in that capacity?  Why?

Because they're rare, and the PCs are neither the standard, nor the center of the world?

Quote from: Justin Alexander;597782I believe what he's saying is that money is useless to a farmer at a grocery store.

Apparently understanding how currency works can be added to the long list of things Mr. GC doesn't understand. At this point, frankly, I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he's an autistic 10 year old.

Probably be easier to start keeping track of the things he does understand.  Less wear and tear on the keyboard.

Quote from: Mr. GC;597914It also isn't a coincidence the game is balanced around the assumption you're using something like 99% of your wealth on loot that makes you more effective (the rest being rounding errors and all that other junk, in that order).

Only number-twat tabletop Diablo games based on constantly getting the DMs approval with the biggest scores on the bestest character sheet revolve around that, because there is no way in hell you would survive playing an actual RPG with people.  'Using 99% of your wealth on loot that makes you more effective' is exclusively a conceit from Diablo (WoW, GuildWars, whatever) style play; ie, someone who has never played D&D or any RPG with paper and dice.

Quote from: Benoist;598063Because they're rare, and the PCs are neither the standard, nor the center of the world?

They are artificially rare.

Quote from: Sommerjon;598096They are artificially rare.

I don't quite understand this; everything in the game is artificial.

Quote from: StormBringer;598113I don't quite understand this; everything in the game is artificial.

1e dmg pg116
"a player character must be at least an 11th level high priest, an archdruid, a 12th level wizard or an 11th level illusionist in order to manufacture magic items...."

Even as a 14yr old kid this made no sense.
Where are the items that make life easier?  Like plows that move through the earth easily?  Or saws that cut stone as easily as wood?  Or containers that keep food fresh as the day they were picked?  Or wheel-barrels that hold more than they should.   Or baskets that weigh next to nothing even when loaded with heavy items? And on and on.  These things are not there.  Because magic in D&D is 90% combat related only.

Quote from: Mr. GC;597952No, PCs are not just like that. Last I checked, the only massive monsters I deal with are idiot Internet trolls. And those pose no actual threat to my person. So ultimately, I'd spend that 100k on whatever the fuck I wanted, but if I were working a dangerous profession of a kind akin to adventuring then damn straight I'd turn around and invest it in survival (alternately, I'd buy the other stuff and then retire, but at that point the game stops being about me and starts being about whatever other guy is doing my job next).

Since the game is about adventurers that go adventuring...

See no.

PCs are people that live in a make believe world constructed by the GM and the players working together. They inhabit this space and when in it are free to make any decisions they sit. They can choose to go adventuring if they like but that is just one option presented to them. Sure enough if they choose not to take it chances ar ethat adventure will come and find them after all that is the nature of the flow of the game.
Have you really never played a character that decided to lay down his sword/wand/spell book and reture but then found his life filled with the complexity of old friends, enemies and local incursions all settign out to ruin his day and force him to take up arems once more.
You have never played a PC who's main concern was something other than killing things and taking their stuff?
Have you ever had an in character conversation with a stable hand or fallen in love with an imaginary woman?

And here was you labling yourself a great player and yet you have never even played at all ...

Quote from: StormBringer;598082Only number-twat tabletop Diablo games based on constantly getting the DMs approval with the biggest scores on the bestest character sheet revolve around that, because there is no way in hell you would survive playing an actual RPG with people.  'Using 99% of your wealth on loot that makes you more effective' is exclusively a conceit from Diablo (WoW, GuildWars, whatever) style play; ie, someone who has never played D&D or any RPG with paper and dice.

1: Hi Welcome
2: For all your sperging about Diablo it has more of a story than your "storygames" despite having almost no story whatsoever. This is because stories need conflict to exist, and conflict will result in them gimps getting swept so either you have a story that ends halfway through the prologue or that never even begins. Meanwhile the minimalistic, bad story of Diablo is at least complete.
3: I was talking about D&D. In D&D you are expected to spend your resources on character effectiveness because that is what matters, not your goddamned magical tea. So while you're busy getting slaughtered repeatedly, I'm still playing the same character 10 minutes in and actually getting to ya know, roleplay and stuff. Because see, when your job demands competence you step it up or step on out.

Numbers twat? You see numbers and pussy the fuck out, because you know you auto lose the instant you cannot bribe/bully/bullshit the DM for victory.

You have almost 9,000 posts and every single one of them are completely useless.

Show me one time, one post where you have made a statement of value. I'll wait, but not hold my breath.

Now blow on out of this thread.