Quote from: StormBringer;597178Anyone have a 'slobbering Diablo playing idiot-to-English' translator handy?

I believe what he's saying is that money is useless to a farmer at a grocery store.

Apparently understanding how currency works can be added to the long list of things Mr. GC doesn't understand. At this point, frankly, I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he's an autistic 10 year old.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;597782I believe what he's saying is that money is useless to a farmer at a grocery store.

Apparently understanding how currency works can be added to the long list of things Mr. GC doesn't understand. At this point, frankly, I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he's an autistic 10 year old.

Nah, real (not self-diagnosed online) autistics are generally very intelligent and exceptionally polite. Mr. GC is closer to the kid featured on the Real Ultimate Power website.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;5977313rd?  I really like the ring of sustenance.  Besides eliminating the need to eat, it makes your sleep more restful so you need less of it.

More like 5. You can get it at 3, but then you have nothing with any practical value. There is an alternate method you can easily do it at 3 though, and it also shuts down anti gimp nonsense like "spies" and "poison".

Also lol at the autists throwing around autism accusations. Seriously, one of the key tells is being unable to grasp subtlety and taking everything literally. This describes Justin and Tristam perfectly. I, meanwhile have run circles around them and make them Duck Season repeatedly with the same.

Back on subject... You beat your dragon, you get your bread box sized pile of gold. Now what?

Well, you can buy a few magic items with it... or you can just leave it there for all the good it will do you because if you can't buy magic items with it it's not doing much but taking up space in your bags that might or might not be extradimensional.

Replace the breadbox sized pile of coins with an actual horde and the only thing that changes is if the game breaks by giving people far more useful items than they should have (like acid without the +1 weapons and Monk's Belts at level 3 *trollface*) or if the game breaks because the players realize you've just given them a few tons of junk, and then they extrapolate from that and realize they no longer have any incentive for adventuring as it is just more of the same.

Quote from: Mr. GC;597880More like 5. You can get it at 3, but then you have nothing with any practical value. There is an alternate method you can easily do it at 3 though, and it also shuts down anti gimp nonsense like "spies" and "poison".

Also lol at the autists throwing around autism accusations. Seriously, one of the key tells is being unable to grasp subtlety and taking everything literally. This describes Justin and Tristam perfectly. I, meanwhile have run circles around them and make them Duck Season repeatedly with the same.

Back on subject... You beat your dragon, you get your bread box sized pile of gold. Now what?

Well, you can buy a few magic items with it... or you can just leave it there for all the good it will do you because if you can't buy magic items with it it's not doing much but taking up space in your bags that might or might not be extradimensional.

Replace the breadbox sized pile of coins with an actual horde and the only thing that changes is if the game breaks by giving people far more useful items than they should have (like acid without the +1 weapons and Monk's Belts at level 3 *trollface*) or if the game breaks because the players realize you've just given them a few tons of junk, and then they extrapolate from that and realize they no longer have any incentive for adventuring as it is just more of the same.

Or perhaps you can allow other to play the game the way they want to and not have to be subjected to your snorts of disgust?

Quote from: estar;597344Agree,  the only issue I ever see is when the magic item creation system and treasure distribution doesn't reflect the rarity of a +3 frostbrand. Or whatever the cutoff the referee wants to set. If it takes a year to make a healing potion and there is only a 1% of rolling one for treasure then it makes sense that even the least magic item is rare and valuable.

One of the major issues that I have always had with D&D is the disconnect of magic from the world.

They tried to ham-hock medieval society then tacked on magic and never thought about the ramifications of magic on the society.

The level someone has to be in order to create magic items and scrolls(especially in type I and II D&D) does not equate to the amount of magic/scrolls that is in treasure.  The severe lack of comfort magic items(waterproof boots, warm cloaks, a 'lighter', 'air conditioning', etc.) is not there.

Quote from: Sommerjon;597898One of the major issues that I have always had with D&D is the disconnect of magic from the world.

They tried to ham-hock medieval society then tacked on magic and never thought about the ramifications of magic on the society.

The level someone has to be in order to create magic items and scrolls(especially in type I and II D&D) does not equate to the amount of magic/scrolls that is in treasure.  The severe lack of comfort magic items(waterproof boots, warm cloaks, a 'lighter', 'air conditioning', etc.) is not there.

Right, some people just handwave it, not understanding the intellectual disconnect and the extra mental work they cause the players to connect.
 Evercoal.  your example, sir.

Quote from: Sommerjon;597897Or perhaps you can allow other to play the game the way they want to and not have to be subjected to your snorts of disgust?

Because the basket weavers are so very good at leaving well enough alone. Oh wait, they restarted this mess with their herpaderp comments, so now I'm refinishing it.

Fact of the matter is that gold is only as useful as the magic items you can buy with it, so if you cannot buy any it is not useful.

It also isn't a coincidence the game is balanced around the assumption you're using something like 99% of your wealth on loot that makes you more effective (the rest being rounding errors and all that other junk, in that order).

Quote from: LordVreeg;597907Right, some people just handwave it, not understanding the intellectual disconnect and the extra mental work they cause the players to connect.
 Evercoal.  your example, sir.

My point.

'Evercoal'
Evercoal must have a small layer of ruby dust painted over it when it is created (normally 20-50GP worth), and this dust takes 2 hours to prepare.

The Electrum Standard
100 Copper Strips=
10 Silver Children=
1 Electrum Goodwife=
1/2 Gold Horn=
1/10 Platinum Unicorn.

The Scarlet Pilum's Militia pay their beginning recruits 13 silver children a day, and a buck seargent makes 3-5 Goodwives a day.

So for these recruits to just cover the average GP(35) of the ruby dust takes 700 silver, they make 65 silver a week so that means almost 11 weeks just for the material cost of the evercoal

Quote from: Mr. GC;597914Because the basket weavers are so very good at leaving well enough alone. Oh wait, they restarted this mess with their herpaderp comments, so now I'm refinishing it.

Fact of the matter is that gold is only as useful as the magic items you can buy with it, so if you cannot buy any it is not useful.

It also isn't a coincidence the game is balanced around the assumption you're using something like 99% of your wealth on loot that makes you more effective (the rest being rounding errors and all that other junk, in that order).

The point you are missing is that PCs are supposed to be emulating real characters in a real world. If you personally won $100,000 in a sweep stake what would you do with it?

Would you horde it all and then use it to purchase the latest high tech device to help you with your job (major magic items)? Would you blow it on fun tech trinkets that do useful things (minor magic items) ? Or wouil dyou blow it on coke and hookers? Maybe you buy a small business?

PCs are just like that. If you can't by the latest high tech garget cos only the government makes them then you find other uses for your cash.
I mean in Vegas a couple of months back I blew what $5K on stuff I didn't really need but fuck me it was fun.

In the words of George Best 'I made a fourtune playing football, half I blew on Women, fast cars and drink, the rest I wasted'.

Quote from: Mr. GC;597914Because the basket weavers are so very good at leaving well enough alone. Oh wait, they restarted this mess with their herpaderp comments, so now I'm refinishing it.

And your continued prodding had absolutely nothing to with this, right?

Quote from: Mr. GC;597914Fact of the matter is that gold is only as useful as the magic items you can buy with it, so if you cannot buy any it is not useful.

Depends completely upon which game system you use and your specific playstyle.  No matter how many times you use 'basket weaver' it means nothing to anyone here.

Quote from: Mr. GC;597914It also isn't a coincidence the game is balanced around the assumption you're using something like 99% of your wealth on loot that makes you more effective (the rest being rounding errors and all that other junk, in that order).

Balance and type III D&D?  And you accuse us of herpaderp comments.

Quote from: jibbajibba;597918The point you are missing is that PCs are supposed to be emulating real characters in a real world. If you personally won $100,000 in a sweep stake what would you do with it?

Would you horde it all and then use it to purchase the latest high tech device to help you with your job (major magic items)? Would you blow it on fun tech trinkets that do useful things (minor magic items) ? Or wouil dyou blow it on coke and hookers? Maybe you buy a small business?

PCs are just like that. If you can't by the latest high tech garget cos only the government makes them then you find other uses for your cash.
I mean in Vegas a couple of months back I blew what $5K on stuff I didn't really need but fuck me it was fun.

In the words of George Best 'I made a fourtune playing football, half I blew on Women, fast cars and drink, the rest I wasted'.

No, PCs are not just like that. Last I checked, the only massive monsters I deal with are idiot Internet trolls. And those pose no actual threat to my person. So ultimately, I'd spend that 100k on whatever the fuck I wanted, but if I were working a dangerous profession of a kind akin to adventuring then damn straight I'd turn around and invest it in survival (alternately, I'd buy the other stuff and then retire, but at that point the game stops being about me and starts being about whatever other guy is doing my job next).

Since the game is about adventurers that go adventuring...

Quote from: Mr. GC;597952No, PCs are not just like that. Last I checked, the only massive monsters I deal with are idiot Internet trolls. And those pose no actual threat to my person. So ultimately, I'd spend that 100k on whatever the fuck I wanted, but if I were working a dangerous profession of a kind akin to adventuring then damn straight I'd turn around and invest it in survival (alternately, I'd buy the other stuff and then retire, but at that point the game stops being about me and starts being about whatever other guy is doing my job next).

Since the game is about adventurers that go adventuring...

No your playstyle is about adventurers that go adventuring.

Your standard basket weaver dismissal is duly noted and disregarded. Have something new to add, or are you done?

Dont make this into another basket weaver thread. Subject is magic shops.

Quote from: Sommerjon;597915My point.

'Evercoal'
Evercoal must have a small layer of ruby dust painted over it when it is created (normally 20-50GP worth), and this dust takes 2 hours to prepare.

The Electrum Standard
100 Copper Strips=
10 Silver Children=
1 Electrum Goodwife=
1/2 Gold Horn=
1/10 Platinum Unicorn.

The Scarlet Pilum's Militia pay their beginning recruits 13 silver children a day, and a buck seargent makes 3-5 Goodwives a day.

So for these recruits to just cover the average GP(35) of the ruby dust takes 700 silver, they make 65 silver a week so that means almost 11 weeks just for the material cost of the evercoal

Dude, you make me very, very happy.

yes, this is the truth, and the normal cost is 160 goodwives to buy some that is made, so it is the kind of thing that is normally bought by the upper classes or guilds.  It is, like silk or the ruby, a luxury item.  The availability of magic and spellcasting, as well as the rarity of some reagents, is part of the economy.  The Scarlet Pilums are not going to be buying luxury items.