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Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Sean on October 24, 2007, 05:14:40 PM
As a snapshot of what's not so hot in my neck o' the woods - our local store today has:

- loads of Core Command rulebooks - TOTALLY OVERORDERED
- Spycraft
- Talislanta d20
- BESM Dungeon
- Cursed Empire supplements
- Obsidian
- Spacemaster
- Heroquest supplements


How about your local store ?
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: beeber on October 25, 2007, 02:46:48 AM
there was a BESM dungeon?  

shows how up to date i've been (weak sigh)

as long as there are temple maidens, i guess it'd be okay :keke:
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: dar on October 25, 2007, 08:12:46 AM
'Comic City' here has a ton of used and bargain stuff... in fact for RPGs it is all they carry. The list would be way to long.

Was even a box of WEG Indiania Jones still in shrink wrap.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Warthur on October 25, 2007, 08:25:47 AM
Gameskeeper in Oxford seem to be quite good at shifting product off the shelves - at any rate, the only bargain bin RPG stuff they have is a small selection of third-party D20 supplements.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Koltar on October 25, 2007, 08:29:42 AM
Place I work at doesn't have a "Bin".

 When we do a DEEP discount on something or a product becomes a buy/get one - we put garishly bright orange sticker on it.

Right now the STAR TREK CCG is buy/get one, so are LOTR trading cards, the "WARS" CCG that Decipher did.

 MAGE KNIGHT MINIONS boosters have been marked down to I think $1.99 each.

Starters of the MARVEl HeroClix that included Wolverine, Spiderman, and Electa are now $4.99 apiece.
 All CRIMSON SKIES Squadron packs are $1.99 apiece.

SCENE IT the DVD game has been cut $20.00 in price.  (look behind me in the avatar pic, might be on the wall in that shot.)


- Ed C.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: peteramthor on October 25, 2007, 08:32:45 AM
There are two local shops here.  One never puts anything on discount.  It will grow old and turn to dust before they mark it down ten cents.  The other just doesn't keep stock in that long.  If he starts to get up a small stockpile of anything he takes it to a convention and unloads it.

So no bargain bins here.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Koltar on October 25, 2007, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: peteramthorThere are two local shops here.  One never puts anything on discount.  It will grow old and turn to dust before they mark it down ten cents.  The other just doesn't keep stock in that long.  If he starts to get up a small stockpile of anything he takes it to a convention and unloads it.

So no bargain bins here.


My upper management marks stuff down when we decide there is no other way to get "movement" on the items.

 Hell, I even LIKED Crimson Skies - but I was one of the few.  It never took off with the gaming world as a plastic minis game.

- Ed C.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Aos on October 25, 2007, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: peteramthorThere are two local shops here.  One never puts anything on discount.  It will grow old and turn to dust before they mark it down ten cents.  

I used to work for a guy like this. He had mass market paper backs from the 70's that nobody wanted taking up floor space and gathering dust. when anyone ever brought up the idea of a clearance sale, he'd say, "I can't afford to sell them at a reduced price." He was also the same guy who would, every Novemeber, call a store meeting to tell everyone that the store was going to go out of business after the holidays due to low volume. He would then be taken completely by surprise as the Xmass shopping season got started- and then somehow manage to pull things together enough to keep the store open for another year. Rinse and repeat. At the time I worked there this had been going on for 14 years, and it is my understanding that he still has the pre-xmass doom meeting every year.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: peteramthor on October 25, 2007, 03:29:52 PM
Quote from: KoltarHell, I even LIKED Crimson Skies - but I was one of the few.  It never took off with the gaming world as a plastic minis game.

- Ed C.

Hey we had a small group of about four people who liked it here.  But because of the lack of collectiblity others weren't even giving it a chance.  The one store still has several packs of it at full price and the other got rid of his long ago, probably at a convention.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Koltar on October 25, 2007, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: peteramthorHey we had a small group of about four people who liked it here.  But because of the lack of collectiblity others weren't even giving it a chance.  The one store still has several packs of it at full price and the other got rid of his long ago, probably at a convention.

I'm still thinking of using the Pilot/people figures in conjunction with a GURPS:CLIFFHANGERS scenario.


- Ed C.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Ian Absentia on October 25, 2007, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: KoltarAll CRIMSON SKIES Squadron packs are $1.99 apiece.
Say, um...have any of the Red Skull Legion or Black Swans blisters?

!i!
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: TheQuestionMan on October 26, 2007, 03:08:21 AM
I would need to take a Digital Picture and post it. It seems to be predominately d20 and the odd Indy Games.


Good Luck


QM
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Koltar on October 26, 2007, 11:11:26 PM
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaSay, um...have any of the Red Skull Legion or Black Swans blisters?

!i!


Red Skull Legion - YES, at least two or three packages of it ...maybe more.

 So, you trash me in 1 thread and now you might want me to send you something after I purchase it for you ?

Oy Vey!!

Okay, Ian , shoot me a PM - Let's talk about it. I could send you a few of those. Hell, we might have 4 or 5 of those red Skull Squadron packs on the shelf.


- Ed C.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Ian Absentia on October 26, 2007, 11:46:02 PM
Quote from: KoltarSo, you trash me in 1 thread and now you might want me to send you something after I purchase it for you ?

Oy Vey!!
I was a total dick to you in that thread.  You and James both.  Not that I think that was wrong on either count, but I'm uncomfortable with what a dick I was.  I'm genuinely sorry for behaving like that.

!i!
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Koltar on October 26, 2007, 11:51:40 PM
We also have ABUSE:The Final Insult maked down, Creatures & Cultists as well.

 Not so much any role-playing stuff. Most of that sells pretty well for us - or at least my upper management doesn't order turkeys of that variety or they're spotting trends pretty well.


 WWE/WWF CCG cards - 90% of those are all marked down to buy 1/Get 1.

 Basically...if any of you think you'll be in the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky area - give me a heads up by e-mail and I'll let you know how to find the store. We're about to go through some interesting changes. , like possibly 3 times the floor space before Christmas hits.


- Ed C.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Sean on October 27, 2007, 09:50:35 AM
And now, piles of Secret of Zir'An - is it that unloved ?
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Koltar on October 27, 2007, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: SeanAnd now, piles of Secret of Zir'An - is it that unloved ?

I saw the pre-release publicity on it....and then.... Then it never showed up at the store. As far as I know, no one in in southwestern Ohio ever saw a copy of it or started playing it.

We never had a copy of it at the store.
 Our nearest competitor, 5 minutes away driving time - I'm pretty sure he never ordered it either.


- Ed C.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: James J Skach on October 27, 2007, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaI was a total dick to you in that thread.  You and James both.  Not that I think that was wrong on either count, but I'm uncomfortable with what a dick I was.  I'm genuinely sorry for behaving like that.

!i!
Why? We would expect less from a Sasquatch?

It's like Kyle says - yeah, I'm paraphrasing Kyle (cause to quote him would take three pages) - around here we give each other shit in one thread and then chat like friends in another.

IMHO it's one of the great things about this place.

Now if you end up acting like a hypocritical little fuckwad like walkerp, that's another story....
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Ian Absentia on October 27, 2007, 12:04:14 PM
Like I said above, I'm uncomfortable being that much of a dick.

And, Ed, thanks.  I might be getting back to you on a pack or two of the Red Skulls.

!i!
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: GrimJesta on October 27, 2007, 02:28:16 PM
*Le Sigh* I envy you mofos with bargain bins at your FLAGS.

-=Grim=-
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: James J Skach on October 27, 2007, 04:49:03 PM
Last time I was in the Local Local one, it had WW stuff - I think they were doing an overall 1/2 off throughout the little store.

I don't think Games Plus, the Far Local store, has a bargain bin, per se, does it (for any of you who might frequent the store)? I haven't been since the last game day, so I can't recall.  They have so much stuff in that place from such a diverse stock - they do have the auction (I think twice) every year.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Danger on October 27, 2007, 05:18:48 PM
I have two gaming stores to choose from in my neck of the woods outside of second-hand bookstores and the larger chain bookstores.

Store #1 has got jack shit in the BB.  Hell, they are wallowing in d20 books that haven't been touched for years as well as a multitude of other books which lie forlornly in their shelf-worn spots.  Why they don't just toss in the towel and go to strictly minis and comics is beyond me.

Store #2 has a plethora of amazing and beautiful things in their BB, and as soon as I feel comfortable with the ensuing checking account loss, I'm soooo snatchinating up that whole set of GURPS 4th Prime Directive books.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Balbinus on October 27, 2007, 05:35:42 PM
British FLGS tend not to have much by way of bargain bins, at best you get some old d20 stuff and some homebrew DnD knockoff that made it to unwise commercial release (and not one of them a patch on for example Runebearer, which I believe is free, if you can't match the free stuff some of which is very good why should I buy it?).

Compleat Strategist in New York though takes that to extremes, I've seen books covered in grime with torn covers dated years ago still at full list price.  Clueless.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: jeff37923 on October 28, 2007, 02:24:56 PM
The local used book store (McKay's) has always had about three shelves worth of used WW product, but recently (since the 4e announcement) I've been seeing a lot DnD3.5 and d20 product show up on the shelves. I'm thinking that this is a negative reaction to the announcement, which is further confirmed in my mind after hearing from FLGS owners that Paizo's Pathfinder series and dungeon modules aren't selling as well as expected around here.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Warthur on October 28, 2007, 06:14:53 PM
Quote from: jeff37923The local used book store (McKay's) has always had about three shelves worth of used WW product, but recently (since the 4e announcement) I've been seeing a lot DnD3.5 and d20 product show up on the shelves. I'm thinking that this is a negative reaction to the announcement, which is further confirmed in my mind after hearing from FLGS owners that Paizo's Pathfinder series and dungeon modules aren't selling as well as expected around here.
It sounds pretty damn positive for me: people are presumably ditching their 3.5 products and not buying new 3.5 products because they're intending to switch over to 4E. It would be more damning if the second hand 3.5 market began to dry up as people held on to old 3.5 supplements rather than preparing for the shift to 4th edition.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: beeber on October 28, 2007, 06:26:46 PM
indeed, a positive for 4E, but a negative for the 3.5 crowd.  poor paizo--first they lost the magazines, and now they have to rely on the (IIRC) typically low sales of adventures to keep the business going.  unless their other play-aids like the decks or whatever are their big sellers?
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: GrimJesta on October 29, 2007, 02:14:56 AM
Quote from: BalbinusCompleat Strategist in New York though takes that to extremes, I've seen books covered in grime with torn covers dated years ago still at full list price.  Clueless.

Werd. And if you bring it up to them they get all pissy and defensive. It's why I stopped shopping there.

-=Grim=-
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: jeff37923 on October 29, 2007, 10:25:51 AM
Quote from: WarthurIt sounds pretty damn positive for me: people are presumably ditching their 3.5 products and not buying new 3.5 products because they're intending to switch over to 4E. It would be more damning if the second hand 3.5 market began to dry up as people held on to old 3.5 supplements rather than preparing for the shift to 4th edition.

I agree its a positive thing for the 4E market (a game which isn't out yet), but there is going to be some serious loss in the 3.5E market which still has to make it through the next 6 months and a Christmas Season until the launch of 4E. Remember, in America, about 75% of all retail business happens during the October to January holiday season - that is when you make your money. So this will hurt the DnD market as whole over this season. Since WotC is the 800-pound gorilla in the room on gaming, it may well hurt the market as a whole.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Warthur on October 29, 2007, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: jeff37923I agree its a positive thing for the 4E market (a game which isn't out yet), but there is going to be some serious loss in the 3.5E market which still has to make it through the next 6 months and a Christmas Season until the launch of 4E. Remember, in America, about 75% of all retail business happens during the October to January holiday season - that is when you make your money. So this will hurt the DnD market as whole over this season. Since WotC is the 800-pound gorilla in the room on gaming, it may well hurt the market as a whole.
I am reasonably sure that Wizards of the Coast aren't going to go belly-up just because of the 3.5 market slowing down over Christmas. D&D isn't the only iron they have in the fire; I suspect even at its best it isn't even their most profitable one. It should be noted that they are slowing down their D&D release schedule - and making more of the products they put out system-independent, like the Grand History of the Realms - in order to account for this slowdown. It's not as if they haven't done this before with 3E.

If anything, this should be - in the short-term - good for the rest of the market. Remember, White Wolf managed to become as big as they did when AD&D was going through a very low patch indeed; historically speaking, whenever TSR/Wizards' sales have dropped, the sales of other RPGs have tended to rise as gamers spend their money on other games. In the long term, of course, D&D sales will spike again when 4E comes out; the question is how much, and how long the increased sales can be sustained.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Aos on October 29, 2007, 11:38:06 AM
I do think, though, that if I were in charge of launching a new edition of D&D, I'd time that release with the Holliday shopping season. I'm certain that there is a reason this wasn't done, but it is beyond me.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Warthur on October 29, 2007, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: AosI do think, though, that if I were in charge of launching a new edition of D&D, I'd time that release with the Holliday shopping season. I'm certain that there is a reason this wasn't done, but it is beyond me.
Possibly Wizards would prefer to concentrate on game lines which get an even greater boost in the holiday season? If you had a choice between getting a 10% raise in sales in two game lines, one which sells like gamer-crack (I'm thinking of Magic and Pokemon here) and one which sells steadily but modestly, or neglecting the latter and going for a 15% raise in the big-selling game line, it would make more financial sense to really push the big seller.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: jeff37923 on October 29, 2007, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: WarthurI am reasonably sure that Wizards of the Coast aren't going to go belly-up just because of the 3.5 market slowing down over Christmas. D&D isn't the only iron they have in the fire; I suspect even at its best it isn't even their most profitable one. It should be noted that they are slowing down their D&D release schedule - and making more of the products they put out system-independent, like the Grand History of the Realms - in order to account for this slowdown. It's not as if they haven't done this before with 3E.

If anything, this should be - in the short-term - good for the rest of the market. Remember, White Wolf managed to become as big as they did when AD&D was going through a very low patch indeed; historically speaking, whenever TSR/Wizards' sales have dropped, the sales of other RPGs have tended to rise as gamers spend their money on other games. In the long term, of course, D&D sales will spike again when 4E comes out; the question is how much, and how long the increased sales can be sustained.

I don't think that WotC is going to go belly-up either, but it still makes me wonder why they would court any sales loss during the Holiday Season.

As for other games, I don't know of a major release by anyone scheduled for the Holiday Season. Part of me is idly wondering why that is. Is it a perception that there is too much competition from console games? I dunno.
Title: Your Local Game Store's Bargain Bin
Post by: Koltar on October 29, 2007, 12:41:07 PM
Between "NOW" and the release of D&D 4.0  WotC has announced several things thyat should still seel that are related to DUNGEONS & DRAGONS.

 They have a new D&D miniatures expansion due out in mid-November that includes a preview of 4.0 game mechanics. This makes a lot of sense as the minis game is basically just the combat system yanked out of the roleplaying game and treated like its a boardgame.

There some book due for mid-DEcember (I forgot the title).
Late winter/early spring they re-introduce the D&D miniatures with a new starter set and boosters. This set is supposed to use the 4th edition D&D combat rules and come out at least a month before the new corebooks.


- Ed C.