Quote from: CRKrueger;758971Do you have to off them?  How about have the character say "Sir Guy, I think based on our last owlbear fight, we're not ready to take on several more, perhaps we should return later." or "Look, Darkshadow, I know you don't like authority, but you know the King's men are about to kill us all if you insult the King, right?"

It is a game, however, it's not a game of Yahtzee, but a "roleplaying game".  Handling IC stuff OOC or through back channels is what I consider juvenile, hamfisted, lame, whatever floats your boat in dismissive criticism terms.

See my post right above your post. As I said I will as a player try and let them really understand the situation IC but if they ignore me? Fuck them because now it's all DM territory as far as I'm concerned, get it?

I would use OOC discussion up front to discuss the sort of game the players want to play.
I would call someone out ooc if I thought they were deliberately trying to ruin the game for everyone though chances are that would be away from the table in a 1:1 situation.

I vet people pretty carefully before I let them come to my house and allow them to walk round my imagination killing things and taking their stuff.

I have met people at Cons I wouldn't play with normally of course and like all GMs I just use in game tools to make those people more bearable for the rest of the table. Usually through NPC actions or similar, basically have the world react to their actions as "in character" as I can.

I have never nor would I ever call a player out OOC during a scene or over an in character decision in fact it wouldn't even occur to me to do it. If they are about to do something like jump off a cliff I might say "okay it looks about 200 feet but if you reckon you can survive it then sure "

"No, no you didn't" is NOT an all the time tool.  It's almost a nuclear option.  It's my "I am not going to run that game for you" button.  I can only think of a handful of other examples in my career.

But I also use it, or a variant of it, when evil PCs want to revel in gore.

"I kill every townsperson, one at a time with my knife."

"Nope, sorry, you don't. I don't have time enough to spare on a game like that.  Either find another table or get on with the adventure."

Also I would probably never stop an honest TPK even with the doom of charop hell hanging over me.  If they die as heroes trying to finish the adventure, so be it.

Doing something idiotic that winds up wasting my time?  Just seems different to me.

And as for "don't play Pathfinder"...  well, this isn't my first rodeo.  Systems have pros and cons, and I would rather adapt my gaming style than not.

Quote from: mcbobbo;759137"No, no you didn't" is NOT an all the time tool.  It's almost a nuclear option.  It's my "I am not going to run that game for you" button.  I can only think of a handful of other examples in my career.

But I also use it, or a variant of it, when evil PCs want to revel in gore.

"I kill every townsperson, one at a time with my knife."

"Nope, sorry, you don't. I don't have time enough to spare on a game like that.  Either find another table or get on with the adventure."

Also I would probably never stop an honest TPK even with the doom of charop hell hanging over me.  If they die as heroes trying to finish the adventure, so be it.

Doing something idiotic that winds up wasting my time?  Just seems different to me.

And as for "don't play Pathfinder"...  well, this isn't my first rodeo.  Systems have pros and cons, and I would rather adapt my gaming style than not.

I really don't care if they wantto kill everyone slowly.  I would play out some of the victim parts, "The first guy is a middle aged guy greying a the temples and you pull him into teh inn he falls to his knees."Look do whatever you wish to me just let my wife and daughter live, I have money, knowledge information, I will do whatever you ask." He breaks down in tears' etc etc a couple fo those if I think the player can be "touched" if I reckon they are beyond it a simple  "sure okay a couple of hours later they are all dead and you can have done whatever unspeakable stuff you want".

As the GM its my job to play the world.The world doesn't care what the PCs do it just is so if my players spend 3 hours haggling over the price of a spoon with a tinker or 3 hours chopping up nuns and feeding the bits to their pet wargs no effect on me. If the party have different views they will probably split and I will focus on the people that are doing more stuff.