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Your Favorite OSR Character Creation?

Started by RPGPundit, June 05, 2017, 02:45:57 AM

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Christopher Brady

#30
June 17, 2017, 05:58:32 AM Last Edit: June 17, 2017, 06:03:32 AM by Christopher Brady
Quote from: Psikerlord;969231hmm ok I think I understand better, thanks - are the life path options random them by default? I assume they are things like; apprentice blacksmith add +2 Str, or studied in the library a lot gain +2 Int, that sort of thing?

I shall have to try and check this out further

It's got several tables with about 6-8 choices each (rolled with D6 and 8's natch) with some using D10s or 12s, but they're somewhat 'focused' into what they assume would be logical choices for the archetype you're looking into (Like the Nobleman's Wild Daughter, or the Would-be Knight, so on and so forth.)

I THINK they're free, I know I managed to get most of the stuff and I'm pretty poor, due to being crippled.
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Psikerlord

#31
June 17, 2017, 05:11:25 PM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;969243It's got several tables with about 6-8 choices each (rolled with D6 and 8's natch) with some using D10s or 12s, but they're somewhat 'focused' into what they assume would be logical choices for the archetype you're looking into (Like the Nobleman's Wild Daughter, or the Would-be Knight, so on and so forth.)

I THINK they're free, I know I managed to get most of the stuff and I'm pretty poor, due to being crippled.

Thanks Christopher, yep I'll do a search for some,  and Krueger put me onto a great explanatory thread too. Does look like a very fun  char gen and shared village building system.
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Christopher Brady

#32
June 17, 2017, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: Psikerlord;969415Thanks Christopher, yep I'll do a search for some,  and Krueger put me onto a great explanatory thread too. Does look like a very fun  char gen and shared village building system.

I hope you like it, I know I do. :)
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Voros

#33
June 18, 2017, 06:52:15 AM
Yay another BtW convert in the works.

Christopher Brady

#34
June 18, 2017, 12:51:19 PM
It has just occurred to me after rereading the Would-Be Knight's playbook that it is in fact NOT an old styled game, and is in fact a 'Storygame' due to it's use of Fortune Points, which can be used to alter events and die rolls.  I withdraw my statement, and apologize.
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crkrueger

#35
June 18, 2017, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;969618It has just occurred to me after rereading the Would-Be Knight's playbook that it is in fact NOT an old styled game, and is in fact a 'Storygame' due to it's use of Fortune Points, which can be used to alter events and die rolls.  I withdraw my statement, and apologize.

So that's your schtick now?  Carrying crossthread butthurt around to threadcrap troll every conversation possible in your crusade against the grognards?  Pathetic.
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Christopher Brady

#36
June 18, 2017, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;969621So that's your schtick now?  Carrying crossthread butthurt around to threadcrap troll every conversation possible in your crusade against the grognards?  Pathetic.

Huhn?  Back to stalking me?

If Storygames are games that use mechanics that allow the change of dice rolls, or situations, that BTW is a storygame.  It's not butthurt, it's applying a definition.

Personally, I disagree with the terminology, but if that's what we're using as a definition, then as it's basic, Beyond The Wall is one.

Doesn't mean I'll stop playing it, Scarlet Heroes and D&D 5e.
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crkrueger

#37
June 18, 2017, 01:33:51 PM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;969626Huhn?  Back to stalking me?

If Storygames are games that use mechanics that allow the change of dice rolls, or situations, that BTW is a storygame.  It's not butthurt, it's applying a definition.

Personally, I disagree with the terminology, but if that's what we're using as a definition, then as it's basic, Beyond The Wall is one.

Doesn't mean I'll stop playing it, Scarlet Heroes and D&D 5e.

Except of course, you're completely rewording that definition Justin proposed.  That definition isn't even close to what you're claiming.  So you're willfully inventing this fake definition of Storygame no one used to follow this agenda you currently have and are spreading across multiple threads now that RPGs and Storygames are the same thing simply to troll because the oldsters have been putting a bug up your ass lately.  The sulking tantrum even comes complete with the "What? I'm just innocently doing what you said...."  Jesus, we're back in 6th grade.
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Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Dumarest

#38
June 18, 2017, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;969200I'm a huge fan of 3d6 in order, guys, but that doesn't mean you can't also do stuff like 'prior history tables'.

Prior history tables are fun. It's one of the great parts of FASA Star Trek.

Christopher Brady

#39
June 18, 2017, 06:40:12 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;969630Except of course, you're completely rewording that definition Justin proposed.  That definition isn't even close to what you're claiming.  So you're willfully inventing this fake definition of Storygame no one used to follow this agenda you currently have and are spreading across multiple threads now that RPGs and Storygames are the same thing simply to troll because the oldsters have been putting a bug up your ass lately.  The sulking tantrum even comes complete with the "What? I'm just innocently doing what you said...."  Jesus, we're back in 6th grade.

No, Storygames, according to Pundit is a game that empowers players to alter the game that the DM is running, and is categorized with mechanical tricks like FATE/Fortune Points/Bennies, there's also a world building system (sort of) in which the players add details to the 'village' that the PC's start at.

Beyond the Wall uses those mechanics as part of their system.

I was not using Justin Alexander's definition.
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Voros

#40
June 18, 2017, 09:17:07 PM
Pretty sure I heard an interview with one of the designers of BtW where he named AW as an influence.

crkrueger

#41
June 19, 2017, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: Voros;969684Pretty sure I heard an interview with one of the designers of BtW where he named AW as an influence.

The other game the company produces is PbtA.  Beyond the Wall pretty much follows the AW design ethos for setting up a campaign and adventures, only it puts everything into an OSR engine.  It's a great way for new players to get up and running, and give them a way to play short campaigns.

However, the setup is more giving them a fish, then teaching them to fish.  With everything pre-packaged and set into tables, it's easy to get up and running, but those packages are gonna run out.  I think after you got B/X say and ran B2 and X1, you were much more prepared to pick up from there than if you got Beyond the Wall and Further Afield.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

crkrueger

#42
June 19, 2017, 01:07:04 AM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;969665I was not using Justin Alexander's definition.

Actually though, as your own post shows, you were using that definition.

You specifically quoted Justin's definition...
Quote from: Justin Alexander;969541Roleplaying Game = Game in which the mechanical decisions being made are directly associated to decisions being made by the player's character (i.e., the act of playing the game is literally playing the role).

Storytelling Game = Game in which the mechanics determine which player has the narrative control necessary to determine the outcome or details of the game world.

The argument can be made that these are related forms of games, but there's clear value in the distinction for the same reason that there's value in drawing a distinction between Poker and Twilight Imperium. Yes, they're both games (and The Terminator and The Mirror are both films), but claiming that there's no useful distinction between the two is just willful obfuscation.
and then said:
Quote from: Christopher Brady;969617So by this definition, Beyond The Wall and Other Adventures is a 'Storygame' because it has Fortune Points, and all the players, including GM, get together and build the world, namely the village, that the characters come from.

Huhn.

Here's a screenshot for you, if you don't remember...
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

RPGPundit

#43
June 21, 2017, 03:04:37 PM
Not being familiar with Beyond the Wall, I couldn't really judge if it's a storygame or not.
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#44
June 21, 2017, 03:59:00 PM
I won't judge BtW before I played it.
My current favorite char gen is the LotFP B/X variant, where you do 3d6 in order, keep if modifier sum isn't negative and possibly switch two. That way you are guaranteed playable characters. I like to combine this with the Dark Albion social status roll or something similar for other settings.
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