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WotC up to its old tricks.

Started by danbuter, February 08, 2015, 08:56:35 AM

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flyerfan1991

#315
February 15, 2015, 07:41:35 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;815901How hard would it be to recreate 5th using the existing OGL?

As far as I know, there isn't an OGL for 5e yet. Lone Wolf Development states as such on their site about release of a module for 5e:

http://www.wolflair.com/blog/2014/12/17/lone-wolf-plans-for-dd-5th-edition/

TristramEvans

#316
February 15, 2015, 11:18:46 PM
Quote from: flyerfan1991;815919As far as I know, there isn't an OGL for 5e yet. Lone Wolf Development states as such on their site about release of a module for 5e:

http://www.wolflair.com/blog/2014/12/17/lone-wolf-plans-for-dd-5th-edition/

I meant the OGL for 3rd.

Lynn

#317
February 16, 2015, 01:40:27 AM
Quote from: flyerfan1991;815828Then again, Paizo never seems to have any issues with letting Lone Wolf have their data...

Isn't a lot of it available through various additional packs that cost money? It could be Paizo is being forthcoming because they are getting a %.
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Mistwell

#318
February 16, 2015, 08:26:44 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;815360I'd much rather individual owners of a corporation be held legally responsible than getting a legal "out".

They wouldn't be though. If corporations are no longer fictional entities, you need to sue the actual people who directly harm you.  So if a product explodes, you sue the line operator who assembled it poorly.  They might then sue their manager, and so on...or not.  But you're suing usually the guy with the least amount of money, unless you can prove the CEO directly caused your harm.  And they almost never do, at least not in a provable way.

Emperor Norton

#319
February 16, 2015, 08:39:13 PM
Quote from: Omega;815715Hunted and hunted. Was NOT Perrin. Nore was it about the use of the word Mecha. My goof. Got notes mixed up on whos doing what to who.

Was John Wick over his Aegis Project mecha RPG C&Ding or requesting AEGIS change their mecha board game name. Here was the OP.

Cool. Good to know it wasn't Perrin. I hate finding out someone I thought was decent is an asshole.

Logosi

#320
February 17, 2015, 01:23:46 AM
Quote from: TristramEvans;815402Which is the same defense they heard at Nuremberg time and time again.

The Nazi party was publically traded? Pretty tortured analogy there.

TristramEvans

#321
February 17, 2015, 01:34:35 AM
Quote from: Logosi;816033The Nazi party was publically traded? Pretty tortured analogy there.

Yeahhhhhh... we're not starting this one up again. Obvious troll is obvious.

One Horse Town

#322
February 17, 2015, 06:24:44 AM
Quote from: One Horse Town;815815Next person to carry on this derail gets to answer to Pundit for willful site disruption. Geddit?

For the hard of understanding.

Lynn

#323
February 18, 2015, 02:56:01 PM
As a comparison and back to the topic (I think)...I associate WotC with the Peter A crowd in Seattle rather than the original beards of Lake Geneva. Once acquired by Hasbro, I don't associate with either.

Was WotC worse than TSR, or TSR worse than WotC?
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flyerfan1991

#324
February 18, 2015, 04:06:39 PM
Quote from: Lynn;815943Isn't a lot of it available through various additional packs that cost money? It could be Paizo is being forthcoming because they are getting a %.

They do have additional packs, yes, but it seems that all of the data is sent to people who have at least some Pathfinder data purchased, only that you can't access the sections you haven't paid for.

It is by far the largest part of any update I get from Hero Lab.

TristramEvans

#325
February 19, 2015, 01:28:12 AM
Quote from: Lynn;816218Was WotC worse than TSR, or TSR worse than WotC?

I didn't find out about any of the behind the scenes politics of TSR until well after they stopped existing.

What I will say is that TSR constantly provided quality gaming products throughout their run, and that I'd still be buying Planescape, Dark Sun, and the Green book series if they still made them. TSR also had no problem publishing both basic D&D and AD&D, and when they changed editions, that didn't mean completely rewriting the rules. And they published other systems as well. So...overall I liked them. Even after I stopped liking D&D.

Omega

#326
February 19, 2015, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: Lynn;816218Was WotC worse than TSR, or TSR worse than WotC?

Different types of trouble.

TSR once they got rid of Gygax was more malicious. Thats what former staff have said too. Mismanagement plagued TSR.

WOTC is more bad decisions and incompetence. They have a well deserved rep for botching marketing of games. Especially board games. Theres also an undercurrent of maliciousness. The more I've learned about WOTC, the more evident that gets. They like to screw over the little guy.

WOTC though spindoctors really well and they hide the skeletons in deep closets.

GameDaddy

#327
February 20, 2015, 08:58:26 AM
Quote from: Omega;816359Different types of trouble.

TSR once they got rid of Gygax was more malicious. Thats what former staff have said too. Mismanagement plagued TSR.

WOTC is more bad decisions and incompetence. They have a well deserved rep for botching marketing of games. Especially board games. Theres also an undercurrent of maliciousness. The more I've learned about WOTC, the more evident that gets. They like to screw over the little guy.

WOTC though spindoctors really well and they hide the skeletons in deep closets.

Hrrmmm. No. There was a time WOTC was simply awesome. And that time was 1995-2002. They saved D&D, they put tradeable card games on the map, something that the comic book companies were completely unable or unwilling to do, and they came out with a revised version of D&D that brought many of the fans back into the fold.

Then WOTC was sold to Hasbro, and everything went down from there. Mostly because Hasbro insists on interfering. Not at the designer level where all the game designers work and play, but interfering at the leadership level where the CEO and company leaders make the strategic decisions.

One of the most damaging examples of this type of mismanagement, the annual Christmas Layoffs. Here's your reward for doing a good job, just don't let the door hit you in your A&& on the way out. Wouldn't want to have a workmans comp issue...
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Will

#328
February 20, 2015, 10:41:31 AM
I still remember Ars Magica getting jettisoned just before publication, and the layoffs, because the CEO concluded that Magic doing fantastically well wasn't a genie in the bottle but something that represented their obvious 'core competencies' so they should focus on it.

Wow, he sounded like such a lying douchebag. Man.


I suppose you don't expect honesty in a CEO, but trying to explain just made it worse -- either he's a weasel or a deluded idiot.

(Note that I didn't care about that product, it wasn't personal in any way, but it was pretty skeevy even from the sidelines)
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Omega

#329
February 20, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
Quote from: GameDaddy;816622Hrrmmm. No. There was a time WOTC was simply awesome. And that time was 1995-2002.

Sorry. No. WOTC was screwing up well before Hasborg assimilated them. Theyd screw with other companies they worked with in ways small or large. They interfered heavily or just didnt give a fuck. Read that "chucked TSR product into a landfill" part. Or "Tossed WOTC product in an incinerator rather than sell it." part. That was going on before 1999.
Not sure though when the WOTC shops come in so cant say there?

Though I'd like to know what was WOTCs beef with Talsorian?
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