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WotC up to its old tricks.

Started by danbuter, February 08, 2015, 08:56:35 AM

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Will

#15
February 08, 2015, 06:47:43 PM
Yeah, it would fit their deep concern over truth and productive discourse.
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.

Sacrosanct

#16
February 08, 2015, 07:21:18 PM
I don't know which is sadder.  The mistakes WOTC may have made or the sad bitter sense of entitlement of whiny gamers
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

misterguignol

#17
February 08, 2015, 07:26:06 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;814725I don't know which is sadder.  The mistakes WOTC may have made or the sad bitter sense of entitlement of whiny gamers

The latter. Always the latter.

JeremyR

#18
February 08, 2015, 07:27:25 PM
It always amuses how some people love to throw around "fan entitlement" to defend the actions of huge companies.

If not for the very people Hasbro is pissing in the face of, they wouldn't have an IP to "protect".

Warboss Squee

#19
February 08, 2015, 07:31:14 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;814725I don't know which is sadder.  The mistakes WOTC may have made or the sad bitter sense of entitlement of whiny gamers

Presumably WotC can learn from their mistakes at some point.

jeff37923

#20
February 08, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: Warboss Squee;814730Presumably WotC can learn from their mistakes at some point.

I wouldn't hold my breath.
"Meh."

Sacrosanct

#21
February 08, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: JeremyR;814728It always amuses how some people love to throw around "fan entitlement" to defend the actions of huge companies.

If not for the very people Hasbro is pissing in the face of, they wouldn't have an IP to "protect".

Pssst.  You're not as important as you think you are.  Hate to break it to you.


And yes, it is entitlement if you think it's your right to take someone else's IP and do what you want with it to make a buck for yourself.  The only "actions" this company is doing is enforcing their legal right to IP protection.  They aren't doing anything to you personally, so get off your high horse.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

The Butcher

#22
February 08, 2015, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;814725I don't know which is sadder.  The mistakes WOTC may have made or the sad bitter sense of entitlement of whiny gamers

Or siding with clueless corp suits out of brand loyalty.

Spinachcat

#23
February 08, 2015, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Will;814723Yeah, it would fit their deep concern over truth and productive discourse.

Don't deny me my Twitter trainwreck!!!


Quote from: Sacrosanct;814725I don't know which is sadder.  The mistakes WOTC may have made or the sad bitter sense of entitlement of whiny gamers

In the increasingly interactive relationship between companies and their customers, especially in competitive niches where the customer can get their fix somewhere else, it is wise for companies to consider the optics of their actions.

"Pay me and suck it" works fine while you are the only guy selling water in the desert. Otherwise, it has repercussions as Games Workshop has discovered via Privateer Press. It's only a matter of time before a space fantasy minis game shows up to chew up the 40k fandom.

Sad bitter entitled fans...can vote with their wallets.

Sacrosanct

#24
February 08, 2015, 09:22:13 PM
Quote from: The Butcher;814750Or siding with clueless corp suits out of brand loyalty.

Who's doing that?  Being supportive of companies trying to protect the IP they either created or paid for is hardly that.  I don't have any brand loyalty for anything.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

misterguignol

#25
February 08, 2015, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: The Butcher;814750Or siding with clueless corp suits out of brand loyalty.

Guys.

The dude who made the character generator in the first place realizes that companies must (and are right to) defend their IP: "In fairness, WoTC must protect its copyrighted material. They have provided a great deal of fun and meaning for all of us."

Sacrosanct

#26
February 08, 2015, 09:24:52 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;814751Sad bitter entitled fans...can vote with their wallets.

Good.  Then do it and stop bitching like a five year old.



I, for one, think if you took all these people who are so righteously indignant over WotC trying to protect their IP, and had them all spend their money on something else like they keep threatening, it wouldn't be much of a dent in the overall coffers of WotC.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

cranebump

#27
February 08, 2015, 09:25:40 PM
Fucking the little guy is how we Americans get our rocks off.
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."

Sacrosanct

#28
February 08, 2015, 09:27:56 PM
Quote from: cranebump;814756Fucking the little guy is how we Americans get our rocks off.

No one is getting fucked, jackass.  How about these "little guys" create their own game, where they can put out their own digital tools to their hearts content?  Hey, great news!  There's even a site where you can sell all your creative ideas too!
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

cranebump

#29
February 08, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
Hey, San, how about we back off a little with the corporate leg humping?  First, I wasn't responding to you specifically. Second, the battery of lawyers intent on "protecting" poor ol' Hasbro hardly needs any help. Was the dude even making $$ off his efforts? Was he competing unfairly?  Was he single-handedly sinking D&D?  I don't even use the guy's stuff, but if he's that badass, maybe wizards should hire him.
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."
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