Quote from: Omega on April 29, 2022, 01:47:01 PM

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on April 29, 2022, 01:37:17 PM
So as I pondered on this I realized WotC couldn't possibly ruin Dragonlance more than TSR already had. I mean there were like three 'earth shaking' cataclysms, and for my own sanity I had to cut it off somewhere. This new iteration will never by DL for me, it's a moot point.

Now, Spelljammer on the other hand, well it's a given they'll ruin it. So I'll just stick with 2e stuff

At least 3.
The pre-campaign one. The dissapearance of the gods one. The Chaos invasion one. Think there was either another one involving the gods, or another mountain getting dropped on someone. Maybe both.

The mountain getting dropped on the Kingpriest was the disappearance of the gods.

Quote from: migo on April 29, 2022, 03:01:25 PM

Quote from: Omega on April 29, 2022, 01:47:01 PM

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on April 29, 2022, 01:37:17 PM
So as I pondered on this I realized WotC couldn't possibly ruin Dragonlance more than TSR already had. I mean there were like three 'earth shaking' cataclysms, and for my own sanity I had to cut it off somewhere. This new iteration will never by DL for me, it's a moot point.

Now, Spelljammer on the other hand, well it's a given they'll ruin it. So I'll just stick with 2e stuff

At least 3.
The pre-campaign one. The dissapearance of the gods one. The Chaos invasion one. Think there was either another one involving the gods, or another mountain getting dropped on someone. Maybe both.

The mountain getting dropped on the Kingpriest was the disappearance of the gods.

I thought the disappearance of the Gods was when Tiamat sent Krynn down the wrong trouser leg of time when the other Gods were not looking.

Quote from: Shasarak on April 29, 2022, 05:26:37 PM

Quote from: migo on April 29, 2022, 03:01:25 PM

Quote from: Omega on April 29, 2022, 01:47:01 PM

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on April 29, 2022, 01:37:17 PM
So as I pondered on this I realized WotC couldn't possibly ruin Dragonlance more than TSR already had. I mean there were like three 'earth shaking' cataclysms, and for my own sanity I had to cut it off somewhere. This new iteration will never by DL for me, it's a moot point.

Now, Spelljammer on the other hand, well it's a given they'll ruin it. So I'll just stick with 2e stuff

At least 3.
The pre-campaign one. The dissapearance of the gods one. The Chaos invasion one. Think there was either another one involving the gods, or another mountain getting dropped on someone. Maybe both.

The mountain getting dropped on the Kingpriest was the disappearance of the gods.

I thought the disappearance of the Gods was when Tiamat sent Krynn down the wrong trouser leg of time when the other Gods were not looking.

The Gods left when the mountain of fire hit Istar. Takhisis moved Krynn to a different part of the universe, hiding it from the other Gods after Chaos was defeated.

But effectively, yes.

Quote from: VisionStorm on April 27, 2022, 11:29:53 AM

Quote from: Palleon on April 27, 2022, 07:39:05 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on April 27, 2022, 01:34:17 AM
RE: Spelljammer, I doubt they will mess it up to much, beyond the usual arbitrary changes that make no sense with the established lore. But as Pundit pointed out in the video and others have pointed out in other occasions as well, SJ sort of lends itself to the random kitchen sink approach WotC has taken up for current D&D, so it might see moderate success (except maybe for the ridiculous $70 three pamphlet boxed set I've heard about).

This cost complaint is amusing when a ton of folks have bought the $70 OSE box sets restating rules from two booklets.

No box set is worth $70, unless it includes a bunch of miniatures and such. No matter how many idiots are willing to pay for it.

But is it worth $42? Which is what most people will pay (through Amazon).

Quote from: Omega on April 27, 2022, 10:44:14 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 27, 2022, 06:22:54 PM
Omega, saying that Pundit is a Pavlovian dog is not only harsh, but unfair. I think your critique is entirely misplaced and wrong, as well. Pundit has taken on the task not only here, but also more specifically at Inappropriate Characters, as well as his own videos, to focus on discussion of concepts, trends, and news going on in the hobby.

I don't know why you so often snidely critique Pundit's programming, man. His program is about gaming, the gaming hobby, news, and politics.

It is neither harsh nor unfair. And we all fall for it all too often. Even me and I am on to their little game and still fell for it. Every post and vid we make in opposition of whatever concocted wrong WOTC in particular is smokescreening today is just more free advertising for them.

I do not snidely critique Pundit. I point out a very real problem that we are being played and Pundit really should pay attention more. We have seen time and again now where WOTC makes some announcement that reads WOKE AGENDA!!!, but the actual product has had a marked tendency to not have these proclaimed things. Either so small an instance as to be just short of non-existent. Or like Candlekeep... really is non-existent.

And odds are that this trailer for Dragonlance is another. The book will come out and aside from some minority inserts in the art and maybe a reference to some lesbian kender or the return of the cross-dressing draconian... Will be pretty baseline a product again. Radiant Citadel may be the exception but havent seen it yet so who knows.

Baseline is we need to stop salivating every time they ring the damn bell.

I concur, and I've been saying the same thing for over a year now.

The only part I differ from you on is that you appear to be saying Pundit is being tricked by WOTC. He's not. Pundit is posting clickbait with that series of videos. That's all they are. He doesn't care if they turn out to be accurate or not about the product which eventually comes out. He's moved onto the next clickbait. He's thankful WOTC gives him bait to be outraged about in the first place. It's a parasitic relationship he has with WOTC. They feed him bait to be outraged about, and then he exaggerates that bait with his own bait which doubles down on the expected outrage. WOTC gets buzz, Pundit gets clicks, they're all happy.

Of course it generates long term disinformation. People here never read the books Pundit posts about, so they never see that a book like Candlekeep isn't full of SJW rhetoric. A few poor souls here actually try to inform people that it turns out that was fake news, but by then everyone is committed to their outrage and they ignore it or defend their prior preconceived notion which Pundit generated with his outrage. So for years they go on to describe Candlekeep as a book which messages woke rhetoric, even though it doesn't. And those who know it doesn't look at them and think they're deeply misinformed, which they are.

Quote from: Mistwell on April 29, 2022, 11:28:54 PM

Quote from: Omega on April 27, 2022, 10:44:14 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 27, 2022, 06:22:54 PM
Omega, saying that Pundit is a Pavlovian dog is not only harsh, but unfair. I think your critique is entirely misplaced and wrong, as well. Pundit has taken on the task not only here, but also more specifically at Inappropriate Characters, as well as his own videos, to focus on discussion of concepts, trends, and news going on in the hobby.

I don't know why you so often snidely critique Pundit's programming, man. His program is about gaming, the gaming hobby, news, and politics.

It is neither harsh nor unfair. And we all fall for it all too often. Even me and I am on to their little game and still fell for it. Every post and vid we make in opposition of whatever concocted wrong WOTC in particular is smokescreening today is just more free advertising for them.

I do not snidely critique Pundit. I point out a very real problem that we are being played and Pundit really should pay attention more. We have seen time and again now where WOTC makes some announcement that reads WOKE AGENDA!!!, but the actual product has had a marked tendency to not have these proclaimed things. Either so small an instance as to be just short of non-existent. Or like Candlekeep... really is non-existent.

And odds are that this trailer for Dragonlance is another. The book will come out and aside from some minority inserts in the art and maybe a reference to some lesbian kender or the return of the cross-dressing draconian... Will be pretty baseline a product again. Radiant Citadel may be the exception but havent seen it yet so who knows.

Baseline is we need to stop salivating every time they ring the damn bell.

I concur, and I've been saying the same thing for over a year now.

The only part I differ from you on is that you appear to be saying Pundit is being tricked by WOTC. He's not. Pundit is posting clickbait with that series of videos. That's all they are. He doesn't care if they turn out to be accurate or not about the product which eventually comes out. He's moved onto the next clickbait. He's thankful WOTC gives him bait to be outraged about in the first place. It's a parasitic relationship he has with WOTC. They feed him bait to be outraged about, and then he exaggerates that bait with his own bait which doubles down on the expected outrage. WOTC gets buzz, Pundit gets clicks, they're all happy.

Of course it generates long term disinformation. People here never read the books Pundit posts about, so they never see that a book like Candlekeep isn't full of SJW rhetoric. A few poor souls here actually try to inform people that it turns out that was fake news, but by then everyone is committed to their outrage and they ignore it or defend their prior preconceived notion which Pundit generated with his outrage. So for years they go on to describe Candlekeep as a book which messages woke rhetoric, even though it doesn't. And those who know it doesn't look at them and think they're deeply misinformed, which they are.

Greetings!

Mistwell, guess what?

I have all the WOTC books. Well, most of them. I skipped the Critical Role themed supplements, and I don't have the Dragon book yet. I have bought books--or received them as gifts. I DM 5E D&D, as that is the game that is played in my area. It is the main game at my local game store, and, more importantly, it is the game preferred by my players. Several of them have only ever learned to play D&D, and they are not interested in learning other games in the slightest. Players, both in my game groups at home and at the game store, buy, own, and reference all of the various D&D supplements, so yeah, I suppose by circumstance if not particularly by preference or choice, I am more or less a DM that is also a collector/Completionist.

I'll tell you something else. You know I'm educated. I've been taught to learn, to read, to investigate MYSELF, and to use critical thinking in everything. In addition, as a historian, I have a particular passion for Primary Sources. Just like I have read our Founding Fathers, the Bible, most of the famous philosophers, Hitler's Mein Kampf, Karl Marx, Ayne Rand, and Saul Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals". I have also read Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan, biographies, speeches, interviews, and books they have written.

So, yeah. I own most of the WOTC books. Yes, Pundit has overstated some of the issues and problems in the books. Some of the issues described or proclaimed are not present to the extent feared. However, the SJW's DO have more control and influence in WOTC and gaming in general than ever before, and WOKE fucking elements and influence IS CREEPING INTO THE GAME BOOKS. I'd say it is more or less an element of influence in EVERY WOTC BOOK. It is simply a matter of degree, and an individual's assessment over how meaningful or influential each such element is in each book individually, and as an overall impact of influence in the gaming hobby.

I own the books. I have read them. I'm familiar with the contents of each book, for the most part. I like having first hand knowledge of the books. That fact also allows me to form an educated opinion on them, based on the "primary source", as it were. That's just the way I am.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: migo on April 29, 2022, 03:01:25 PM

Quote from: Omega on April 29, 2022, 01:47:01 PM

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on April 29, 2022, 01:37:17 PM
So as I pondered on this I realized WotC couldn't possibly ruin Dragonlance more than TSR already had. I mean there were like three 'earth shaking' cataclysms, and for my own sanity I had to cut it off somewhere. This new iteration will never by DL for me, it's a moot point.

Now, Spelljammer on the other hand, well it's a given they'll ruin it. So I'll just stick with 2e stuff

At least 3.
The pre-campaign one. The dissapearance of the gods one. The Chaos invasion one. Think there was either another one involving the gods, or another mountain getting dropped on someone. Maybe both.

The mountain getting dropped on the Kingpriest was the disappearance of the gods.

Nah, there was a second "gods disappear" thing. I only have one book from it so no idea what happened.

Quote from: Omega on April 30, 2022, 05:09:41 AM
Nah, there was a second "gods disappear" thing. I only have one book from it so no idea what happened.

  That was the aftermath of the Chaos War. Originally, the idea was that the gods left with Chaos; later, Weis & Hickman retconned it into the Dark Queen stole the world from the gods.

Quote from: Mistwell on April 29, 2022, 11:28:54 PM

Quote from: Omega on April 27, 2022, 10:44:14 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 27, 2022, 06:22:54 PM
Omega, saying that Pundit is a Pavlovian dog is not only harsh, but unfair. I think your critique is entirely misplaced and wrong, as well. Pundit has taken on the task not only here, but also more specifically at Inappropriate Characters, as well as his own videos, to focus on discussion of concepts, trends, and news going on in the hobby.

I don't know why you so often snidely critique Pundit's programming, man. His program is about gaming, the gaming hobby, news, and politics.

It is neither harsh nor unfair. And we all fall for it all too often. Even me and I am on to their little game and still fell for it. Every post and vid we make in opposition of whatever concocted wrong WOTC in particular is smokescreening today is just more free advertising for them.

I do not snidely critique Pundit. I point out a very real problem that we are being played and Pundit really should pay attention more. We have seen time and again now where WOTC makes some announcement that reads WOKE AGENDA!!!, but the actual product has had a marked tendency to not have these proclaimed things. Either so small an instance as to be just short of non-existent. Or like Candlekeep... really is non-existent.

And odds are that this trailer for Dragonlance is another. The book will come out and aside from some minority inserts in the art and maybe a reference to some lesbian kender or the return of the cross-dressing draconian... Will be pretty baseline a product again. Radiant Citadel may be the exception but havent seen it yet so who knows.

Baseline is we need to stop salivating every time they ring the damn bell.

I concur, and I've been saying the same thing for over a year now.

The only part I differ from you on is that you appear to be saying Pundit is being tricked by WOTC. He's not. Pundit is posting clickbait with that series of videos. That's all they are. He doesn't care if they turn out to be accurate or not about the product which eventually comes out. He's moved onto the next clickbait. He's thankful WOTC gives him bait to be outraged about in the first place. It's a parasitic relationship he has with WOTC. They feed him bait to be outraged about, and then he exaggerates that bait with his own bait which doubles down on the expected outrage. WOTC gets buzz, Pundit gets clicks, they're all happy.

Of course it generates long term disinformation. People here never read the books Pundit posts about, so they never see that a book like Candlekeep isn't full of SJW rhetoric. A few poor souls here actually try to inform people that it turns out that was fake news, but by then everyone is committed to their outrage and they ignore it or defend their prior preconceived notion which Pundit generated with his outrage. So for years they go on to describe Candlekeep as a book which messages woke rhetoric, even though it doesn't. And those who know it doesn't look at them and think they're deeply misinformed, which they are.

QFT

  Anyone talking about there being no SJW influence in WOTC has not ever listened to Crawford speak.

Quote from: SHARK on April 30, 2022, 01:09:00 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on April 29, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Of course it generates long term disinformation. People here never read the books Pundit posts about, so they never see that a book like Candlekeep isn't full of SJW rhetoric. A few poor souls here actually try to inform people that it turns out that was fake news, but by then everyone is committed to their outrage and they ignore it or defend their prior preconceived notion which Pundit generated with his outrage. So for years they go on to describe Candlekeep as a book which messages woke rhetoric, even though it doesn't. And those who know it doesn't look at them and think they're deeply misinformed, which they are.

So, yeah. I own most of the WOTC books. Yes, Pundit has overstated some of the issues and problems in the books. Some of the issues described or proclaimed are not present to the extent feared. However, the SJW's DO have more control and influence in WOTC and gaming in general than ever before, and WOKE fucking elements and influence IS CREEPING INTO THE GAME BOOKS. I'd say it is more or less an element of influence in EVERY WOTC BOOK. It is simply a matter of degree, and an individual's assessment over how meaningful or influential each such element is in each book individually, and as an overall impact of influence in the gaming hobby.

I own the books. I have read them.

I'm glad you acknowledge here the Pundit has overstated things, as have others - but when he has done so in the past, I haven't seen you call him out about it. Mistwell particularly references Candlekeep Mysteries, where Pundit said that Sara Thompson's combat wheelchair was made official and that every dungeon in that and all later books were wheelchair accessible. That's not a slight exaggeration - that's completely at odds with what is in the published book, which has no wheelchairs at all and none of the adventures are accessible. One adventure has ramps like the Egyptian pyramids it is modeled on.

I agree that there is some woke influence, but most of it seems very cosmetic - like a gay NPC couple where if ones change a handful of words to switch genders and it would be gone.

Quote from: jhkim on April 30, 2022, 02:05:28 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 30, 2022, 01:09:00 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on April 29, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Of course it generates long term disinformation. People here never read the books Pundit posts about, so they never see that a book like Candlekeep isn't full of SJW rhetoric. A few poor souls here actually try to inform people that it turns out that was fake news, but by then everyone is committed to their outrage and they ignore it or defend their prior preconceived notion which Pundit generated with his outrage. So for years they go on to describe Candlekeep as a book which messages woke rhetoric, even though it doesn't. And those who know it doesn't look at them and think they're deeply misinformed, which they are.

So, yeah. I own most of the WOTC books. Yes, Pundit has overstated some of the issues and problems in the books. Some of the issues described or proclaimed are not present to the extent feared. However, the SJW's DO have more control and influence in WOTC and gaming in general than ever before, and WOKE fucking elements and influence IS CREEPING INTO THE GAME BOOKS. I'd say it is more or less an element of influence in EVERY WOTC BOOK. It is simply a matter of degree, and an individual's assessment over how meaningful or influential each such element is in each book individually, and as an overall impact of influence in the gaming hobby.

I own the books. I have read them.

I'm glad you acknowledge here the Pundit has overstated things, as have others - but when he has done so in the past, I haven't seen you call him out about it. Mistwell particularly references Candlekeep Mysteries, where Pundit said that Sara Thompson's combat wheelchair was made official and that every dungeon in that and all later books were wheelchair accessible. That's not a slight exaggeration - that's completely at odds with what is in the published book, which has no wheelchairs at all and none of the adventures are accessible. One adventure has ramps like the Egyptian pyramids it is modeled on.

I agree that there is some woke influence, but most of it seems very cosmetic - like a gay NPC couple where if ones change a handful of words to switch genders and it would be gone.

Greetings!

You obviously have never heard of the expression, "Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good". I don't "Call him out on it" because it is trivial, and at the end of the day, his main point is essentially true.

Are Combat Wheelchairs in Candlekeep? Well, perhaps not. However, the Leftist shrew that came up with them has been very influential in the hobby at large. Miniature companies have even made miniatures of characters in combat wheelchairs for fuck's sake. Beyond that, the whole cock-sucking SJW drive for "Representation" and other Marxist bullshit has been flooding into modules and supplements everywhere. Omega has gone on at length about how the fucking SJW's seek to use disabled people as a kind of social battering ram or club to attack and corrupt the hobby--while also not being respectful of disabled people that don't embrace their fucking agenda.

So, the whole bullshit argument of "representation' and "inclusion" of disabled people--the whole "Ableist" attack--along with the bandwagon of "representation" of minorities, of women, of the rainbow fruitloops, of geesus whatever the fuck--is all very real. It's all very corrupt, and divisive, and also right out of Marxism. And it is destroying the hobby.

Being fucking "sensitive" and hiring--HIRING!--"sensitivity readers" to make books "acceptable". That's a total fucking corrupt enterprise of worthless fucking Marxist grifters. That impetus and development in hiring and editing staff is terrible for the hobby. It is yet one more weapon and line of attack that the Marxist SJW's are using to attack, infiltrate, corrupt, and destroy the gaming hobby.

So, Pundit is absolutely right and justified in counterattacking the fucking SJW's and their influence throughout the gaming hobby as a whole.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on April 30, 2022, 03:13:30 PM

Quote from: jhkim on April 30, 2022, 02:05:28 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 30, 2022, 01:09:00 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on April 29, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Of course it generates long term disinformation. People here never read the books Pundit posts about, so they never see that a book like Candlekeep isn't full of SJW rhetoric. A few poor souls here actually try to inform people that it turns out that was fake news, but by then everyone is committed to their outrage and they ignore it or defend their prior preconceived notion which Pundit generated with his outrage. So for years they go on to describe Candlekeep as a book which messages woke rhetoric, even though it doesn't. And those who know it doesn't look at them and think they're deeply misinformed, which they are.

So, yeah. I own most of the WOTC books. Yes, Pundit has overstated some of the issues and problems in the books. Some of the issues described or proclaimed are not present to the extent feared. However, the SJW's DO have more control and influence in WOTC and gaming in general than ever before, and WOKE fucking elements and influence IS CREEPING INTO THE GAME BOOKS. I'd say it is more or less an element of influence in EVERY WOTC BOOK. It is simply a matter of degree, and an individual's assessment over how meaningful or influential each such element is in each book individually, and as an overall impact of influence in the gaming hobby.

I own the books. I have read them.

I'm glad you acknowledge here the Pundit has overstated things, as have others - but when he has done so in the past, I haven't seen you call him out about it. Mistwell particularly references Candlekeep Mysteries, where Pundit said that Sara Thompson's combat wheelchair was made official and that every dungeon in that and all later books were wheelchair accessible. That's not a slight exaggeration - that's completely at odds with what is in the published book, which has no wheelchairs at all and none of the adventures are accessible. One adventure has ramps like the Egyptian pyramids it is modeled on.

I agree that there is some woke influence, but most of it seems very cosmetic - like a gay NPC couple where if ones change a handful of words to switch genders and it would be gone.

Greetings!

You obviously have never heard of the expression, "Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good". I don't "Call him out on it" because it is trivial, and at the end of the day, his main point is essentially true.

Are Combat Wheelchairs in Candlekeep? Well, perhaps not. However, the Leftist shrew that came up with them has been very influential in the hobby at large. Miniature companies have even made miniatures of characters in combat wheelchairs for fuck's sake. Beyond that, the whole cock-sucking SJW drive for "Representation" and other Marxist bullshit has been flooding into modules and supplements everywhere. Omega has gone on at length about how the fucking SJW's seek to use disabled people as a kind of social battering ram or club to attack and corrupt the hobby--while also not being respectful of disabled people that don't embrace their fucking agenda.

So, the whole bullshit argument of "representation' and "inclusion" of disabled people--the whole "Ableist" attack--along with the bandwagon of "representation" of minorities, of women, of the rainbow fruitloops, of geesus whatever the fuck--is all very real. It's all very corrupt, and divisive, and also right out of Marxism. And it is destroying the hobby.

Being fucking "sensitive" and hiring--HIRING!--"sensitivity readers" to make books "acceptable". That's a total fucking corrupt enterprise of worthless fucking Marxist grifters. That impetus and development in hiring and editing staff is terrible for the hobby. It is yet one more weapon and line of attack that the Marxist SJW's are using to attack, infiltrate, corrupt, and destroy the gaming hobby.

So, Pundit is absolutely right and justified in counterattacking the fucking SJW's and their influence throughout the gaming hobby as a whole.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Wait, you mean to tell me that some of Pundit's predictions about some books haven't materialized!?

Please do conceptualize my utter amazement.

LOL, the really amazing thing is that he (and many of us that don't do videos), manages to predict as many as he does. Without internal sources or a leaked book.

His batting average would make him a famous medium if he was trying to market himself as such.

What his detractors are obscuring is that he does get soo many things right, without access to the source material...

Because once you know how the addled brains of the SJW work it's not that hard to predict what they'll do. Since he can't really see the future he will get some stuff wrong.

Now please tell me: What is it, is he a mediocre furtune teller or he knows the enemy?

Quote from: SHARK on April 30, 2022, 03:13:30 PM

Quote from: jhkim on April 30, 2022, 02:05:28 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 30, 2022, 01:09:00 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on April 29, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Of course it generates long term disinformation. People here never read the books Pundit posts about, so they never see that a book like Candlekeep isn't full of SJW rhetoric. A few poor souls here actually try to inform people that it turns out that was fake news, but by then everyone is committed to their outrage and they ignore it or defend their prior preconceived notion which Pundit generated with his outrage. So for years they go on to describe Candlekeep as a book which messages woke rhetoric, even though it doesn't. And those who know it doesn't look at them and think they're deeply misinformed, which they are.

So, yeah. I own most of the WOTC books. Yes, Pundit has overstated some of the issues and problems in the books. Some of the issues described or proclaimed are not present to the extent feared. However, the SJW's DO have more control and influence in WOTC and gaming in general than ever before, and WOKE fucking elements and influence IS CREEPING INTO THE GAME BOOKS. I'd say it is more or less an element of influence in EVERY WOTC BOOK. It is simply a matter of degree, and an individual's assessment over how meaningful or influential each such element is in each book individually, and as an overall impact of influence in the gaming hobby.

I own the books. I have read them.

I'm glad you acknowledge here the Pundit has overstated things, as have others - but when he has done so in the past, I haven't seen you call him out about it. Mistwell particularly references Candlekeep Mysteries, where Pundit said that Sara Thompson's combat wheelchair was made official and that every dungeon in that and all later books were wheelchair accessible. That's not a slight exaggeration - that's completely at odds with what is in the published book, which has no wheelchairs at all and none of the adventures are accessible. One adventure has ramps like the Egyptian pyramids it is modeled on.

I agree that there is some woke influence, but most of it seems very cosmetic - like a gay NPC couple where if ones change a handful of words to switch genders and it would be gone.

Greetings!

You obviously have never heard of the expression, "Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good". I don't "Call him out on it" because it is trivial, and at the end of the day, his main point is essentially true.

Are Combat Wheelchairs in Candlekeep? Well, perhaps not. However, the Leftist shrew that came up with them has been very influential in the hobby at large. Miniature companies have even made miniatures of characters in combat wheelchairs for fuck's sake. Beyond that, the whole cock-sucking SJW drive for "Representation" and other Marxist bullshit has been flooding into modules and supplements everywhere. Omega has gone on at length about how the fucking SJW's seek to use disabled people as a kind of social battering ram or club to attack and corrupt the hobby--while also not being respectful of disabled people that don't embrace their fucking agenda.

So, the whole bullshit argument of "representation' and "inclusion" of disabled people--the whole "Ableist" attack--along with the bandwagon of "representation" of minorities, of women, of the rainbow fruitloops, of geesus whatever the fuck--is all very real. It's all very corrupt, and divisive, and also right out of Marxism. And it is destroying the hobby.

Being fucking "sensitive" and hiring--HIRING!--"sensitivity readers" to make books "acceptable". That's a total fucking corrupt enterprise of worthless fucking Marxist grifters. That impetus and development in hiring and editing staff is terrible for the hobby. It is yet one more weapon and line of attack that the Marxist SJW's are using to attack, infiltrate, corrupt, and destroy the gaming hobby.

So, Pundit is absolutely right and justified in counterattacking the fucking SJW's and their influence throughout the gaming hobby as a whole.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

So the truth doesn't matter, as long as it's your guy doing the lying. Got it.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 30, 2022, 03:34:07 PM

Wait, you mean to tell me that some of Pundit's predictions about some books haven't materialized!?

Please do conceptualize my utter amazement.

LOL, the really amazing thing is that he (and many of us that don't do videos), manages to predict as many as he does. Without internal sources or a leaked book.

His batting average would make him a famous medium if he was trying to market himself as such.

What his detractors are obscuring is that he does get soo many things right, without access to the source material...

Because once you know how the addled brains of the SJW work it's not that hard to predict what they'll do. Since he can't really see the future he will get some stuff wrong.

Now please tell me: What is it, is he a mediocre furtune teller or he knows the enemy?

You are either mistaken or being purposely deceitful. Pundit wasn't "predicting" anything, he was talking about a product that had been out for 9 months at the time he made this post:.

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Quote from: Mistwell on April 29, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Of course it generates long term disinformation. People here never read the books Pundit posts about, so they never see that a book like Candlekeep isn't full of SJW rhetoric. A few poor souls here actually try to inform people that it turns out that was fake news, but by then everyone is committed to their outrage and they ignore it or defend their prior preconceived notion which Pundit generated with his outrage. So for years they go on to describe Candlekeep as a book which messages woke rhetoric, even though it doesn't. And those who know it doesn't look at them and think they're deeply misinformed, which they are.

So, yeah. I own most of the WOTC books. Yes, Pundit has overstated some of the issues and problems in the books. Some of the issues described or proclaimed are not present to the extent feared. However, the SJW's DO have more control and influence in WOTC and gaming in general than ever before, and WOKE fucking elements and influence IS CREEPING INTO THE GAME BOOKS. I'd say it is more or less an element of influence in EVERY WOTC BOOK. It is simply a matter of degree, and an individual's assessment over how meaningful or influential each such element is in each book individually, and as an overall impact of influence in the gaming hobby.

I own the books. I have read them.

I'm glad you acknowledge here the Pundit has overstated things, as have others - but when he has done so in the past, I haven't seen you call him out about it. Mistwell particularly references Candlekeep Mysteries, where Pundit said that Sara Thompson's combat wheelchair was made official and that every dungeon in that and all later books were wheelchair accessible. That's not a slight exaggeration - that's completely at odds with what is in the published book, which has no wheelchairs at all and none of the adventures are accessible. One adventure has ramps like the Egyptian pyramids it is modeled on.

I agree that there is some woke influence, but most of it seems very cosmetic - like a gay NPC couple where if ones change a handful of words to switch genders and it would be gone.

Greetings!

You obviously have never heard of the expression, "Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good". I don't "Call him out on it" because it is trivial, and at the end of the day, his main point is essentially true.

Are Combat Wheelchairs in Candlekeep? Well, perhaps not. However, the Leftist shrew that came up with them has been very influential in the hobby at large. Miniature companies have even made miniatures of characters in combat wheelchairs for fuck's sake. Beyond that, the whole cock-sucking SJW drive for "Representation" and other Marxist bullshit has been flooding into modules and supplements everywhere. Omega has gone on at length about how the fucking SJW's seek to use disabled people as a kind of social battering ram or club to attack and corrupt the hobby--while also not being respectful of disabled people that don't embrace their fucking agenda.

So, the whole bullshit argument of "representation' and "inclusion" of disabled people--the whole "Ableist" attack--along with the bandwagon of "representation" of minorities, of women, of the rainbow fruitloops, of geesus whatever the fuck--is all very real. It's all very corrupt, and divisive, and also right out of Marxism. And it is destroying the hobby.

Being fucking "sensitive" and hiring--HIRING!--"sensitivity readers" to make books "acceptable". That's a total fucking corrupt enterprise of worthless fucking Marxist grifters. That impetus and development in hiring and editing staff is terrible for the hobby. It is yet one more weapon and line of attack that the Marxist SJW's are using to attack, infiltrate, corrupt, and destroy the gaming hobby.

So, Pundit is absolutely right and justified in counterattacking the fucking SJW's and their influence throughout the gaming hobby as a whole.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

So the truth doesn't matter, as long as it's your guy doing the lying. Got it.

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Wait, you mean to tell me that some of Pundit's predictions about some books haven't materialized!?

Please do conceptualize my utter amazement.

LOL, the really amazing thing is that he (and many of us that don't do videos), manages to predict as many as he does. Without internal sources or a leaked book.

His batting average would make him a famous medium if he was trying to market himself as such.

What his detractors are obscuring is that he does get soo many things right, without access to the source material...

Because once you know how the addled brains of the SJW work it's not that hard to predict what they'll do. Since he can't really see the future he will get some stuff wrong.

Now please tell me: What is it, is he a mediocre furtune teller or he knows the enemy?

You are either mistaken or being purposely deceitful. Pundit wasn't "predicting" anything, he was talking about a product that had been out for 9 months at the time he made this post:.

>Claims OTHER people are either mistaken or being purposely deceitful.
>Picture posted to back that claim doesn't even show Pundit making the original claims, but rather making clarifications about them, stating (correctly) that either the poster being quoted is lying, or WotC was lying about the stuff Pundit's statements were about, cuz WotC really did make those claims, even if the final product didn't ship with the stuff they claimed it would.