Wizards of the Coast did everything the SJWs demanded of them. They made nonhuman #dnd5e races meaningless amorphic things to satisfy their insane leftist racial theories.
Now the SJWs said "not enough".
#dnd #osr #ttrpg

You are right, WotC has not done enough.

It is almost like they want to be white bigots and they have not fired Mike Mearls yet either!

That's the problem with appeasement, you can never give enough to satisfy those who demand it.

I used to think that Pundit's claim that SJWs hate humanity was him being hyperbolic, but in a discussion about non-evil orcs, their only defense for why orcs shouldn't be evil is "humans are evil too". Even in a fantasy world, these people can't comprehend of a group of creatures more evil than humans.

Nod > Bow > Bow Lower > Bend Knee > Kneel > Grovel > Put on These Chains > Die on Your Sword for Me > Burn in Hell > still not enough

Another hit piece from Wired magazine appraently RACISTS ARE EVERYWHERE in the hobby.

https://www.wired.com/story/dandd-must-grapple-with-the-racism-in-fantasy/

Quote from: hedgehobbit on January 25, 2021, 10:20:14 PM
I used to think that Pundit's claim that SJWs hate humanity was him being hyperbolic, but in a discussion about non-evil orcs, their only defense for why orcs shouldn't be evil is "humans are evil too". Even in a fantasy world, these people can't comprehend of a group of creatures more evil than humans.

What's bizarre is that no one is denying humans can be evil. But the reputation of orcs fluff-wise as vicious raiders, and crunch-wise as basic cannon fodder and XP bags for low to mid level PCs, seems to derange SJWs.

And of course, this entire argument is pointless as the angle has been explored well before, in the Eberron setting. But then, reading is hard for lefties.

I hear the new demands are pretty tame.

I'm pretty sure the Sudetenland will be the last one they make.

That whole Wired piece is full of fail. N.K. Jemisin is a hack.

'Orcs are humans' -- yeah, lemme stop you right there, Jemisin. News flash: no they are not. If you are attempting to equate orcs with humans, then I would say that says more about Jemisin than anything else.

They whine about Tolkien's depiction of them, but state Tolkien was their inventor. The word goes further back than Tolkien, though -- even TVTropes got this part right. Credit to those idjits; they point out how orcs have been creatively subdivided into several variants: you have the D&D/Tolkien orcs, you have the screaming loonie soccer hooligan Orks from Warhammer, and you have the noble-savage variant hailing from Blizzard's Warcraft series (and to a lesser extent, the Elder Scrolls universe).

So yeah. Orcs come in some different flavors.

I love the gimp who complains about Tanis Half-Elven in the Dragonlance books. Completely, utterly missing the point. Half-elves do not live as long as elves, but they outlive humans easily. They are trapped between two worlds, and the cultural issues in DL just make it worse (since elves and humans very rarely mate in that setting; most half-elves are, bluntly put, the result of rape). Krynn never had an Imryll Eluarshee to help humans and elves find common ground.

The shock, shock of people roleplaying legitimate in-character reactions must be terribly rattling for some of these snowflakes. I wonder if they think Alan Rickman really hated Daniel Radcliffe?

They're so desperate to try and eliminate the 'race' modifier, as usual. Unity my ass. SJWs want conformity, and they don't care what they fuck up to get to it.

James Lindsay has called it 'The Ratchet'. The Overton Window is constantly shifting left, and hardly ever shifts right. Even if the results are dumb or wrong or counterproductive.

If you were cool with a few "inclusive" phrases in your D&D. Congratulations. Now they're re-writing the lore and rules to conform to their ideology.

"fantasy has this unfortunate obsession with an anti-intellectual sort of ethnography"

What clown wrote this sentence and expected it to be taken seriously? That's rhetorical and the answer of course is a fucking moron who fashions himself as some sort of erudite sophisticate. What the hell is wrong with just reading a book or playing a game and enjoying it and that's it? Why does EVERYTHING need more meaning beyond "it is entertaining"? These are the same sort of retards who watch 80s movies and don't understand the entire appeal is watching Rambo blow up a dude with an explosive arrow, no matter how ridiculous that might be.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 26, 2021, 08:42:03 AM

Quote from: hedgehobbit on January 25, 2021, 10:20:14 PM
I used to think that Pundit's claim that SJWs hate humanity was him being hyperbolic, but in a discussion about non-evil orcs, their only defense for why orcs shouldn't be evil is "humans are evil too". Even in a fantasy world, these people can't comprehend of a group of creatures more evil than humans.

What's bizarre is that no one is denying humans can be evil. But the reputation of orcs fluff-wise as vicious raiders, and crunch-wise as basic cannon fodder and XP bags for low to mid level PCs, seems to derange SJWs.

Because for all of their shrieking about doing a heckin' problematic dogwhistles, they're the ones who look at Orcs and think of black people and project their own racism by suggesting everybody else must share that view, therefore the creators are racist despite them being the only people thinking that.



They're a strange bunch.

Reading the Wired article I found a perfect example of the typical SJ kafkatrap:

QuoteWhen Barber chose to play race and class combinations that strayed from stereotypes, he was looked at askew. "There was always pressure from the outside for me to make my characters conform to narrow boxes," he says. And even in the absence of such pressure, he would be falling into another trap: exceptionalism. Half-orc scholars, gnome barbarians.

So in other words, going with the tendencies of the chosen group is stereotyping, but going against them is exceptionalism, and both are somehow traps.  Heads they win, tails we lose.

I have basically gotten to the point in my life where the moment I spot this tactic in any argument I immediately dismiss it.

When I make up settings, I stopped using the term race. I use the term "peoples" for fantasy races and "species" for sci-fi races. It's a fairly charged term and it is only getting more charged as time goes on.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on January 26, 2021, 05:22:29 PM
Reading the Wired article I found a perfect example of the typical SJ kafkatrap:

QuoteWhen Barber chose to play race and class combinations that strayed from stereotypes, he was looked at askew. "There was always pressure from the outside for me to make my characters conform to narrow boxes," he says. And even in the absence of such pressure, he would be falling into another trap: exceptionalism. Half-orc scholars, gnome barbarians.

So in other words, going with the tendencies of the chosen group is stereotyping, but going against them is exceptionalism, and both are somehow traps.  Heads they win, tails we lose.

I have basically gotten to the point in my life where the moment I spot this tactic in any argument I immediately dismiss it.

When I play D&D, I automatically consider anyone who goes outside of established tropes as a troublemaker. I am right 99% of the time.