Quote from: Kage2020 on November 26, 2023, 08:59:36 PM
I'm totally not sure where to progress from the last post.

A part of my sees it as saying that WotC (and maybe D&D sucks ass at world and race development.

I don't know.

WotC is putting leftard ideological views over content and they are losing sales because of it.  In the last 5 years, Hasbro has lost 50% of its value.  D&D sales figures continue to go down for modules and splat books that are not connecting with the audiences.  They are producing content by leftards for leftards, the problem is the leftards generally aren't working, they don't have spend and they don't buy D&D content.

The amount of censorship of terms makes it impossible to understand what a number of monsters behaviors are supposed to be.  WTF is a "typal" society?  How the fuck am I supposed to run an NPC that WotC calls "upset" when the original module from 1E listed the merchant as insane.  Does it mean if WotC writes "distraught" or "upset" the character should be insane or just irritated because we are having to substitute meaning for what WotC is censoring for content.  It causes a change in how the NPC would be portrayed to the party.  The more words that WotC censors and replaces with what can best be called non sequiturs the more people nope out of WotC's content.  There is no flavor to WotC's content, they are taking out the spice and replacing it with tepid water.

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 26, 2023, 08:59:36 PM
I'm totally not sure where to progress from the last post.

A part of my sees it as saying that WotC (and maybe D&D sucks ass at world and race development.

I don't know.

Just leave it at WOTC sucks ass and you can't go wrong.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 08:51:56 PM

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 26, 2023, 08:21:23 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 07:39:45 PM
The reason why the leftards are removing slavery as a term is they themselves were slavers, ie Democrats.

Errr, you do realise that there's this whole political shift when it comes to "Democrats" and "Republicans", right?

The term "180" might be involved?

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 07:39:45 PMThey feel very uncomfortable having slavery brought up and they want it removed from the lexicon.

Which lexicon?

If the Left is up to shenanigans they should totally be called out on this.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 07:39:45 PMObama bombed Libya...

Totally.

At this point, however, I don't think that my agreement (or not) is going to be taken in a good way. You know. Because I'm a "fake centrist".

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 07:39:45 PMAs to you going into the motivations of Neogis, while I find it cute, the Neogi were created to be a monster to be killed, they are a plot point.  You could ask the same for motivations for a crystal ooze, they are there to be an obstacle to the party to overcome. [/qutoe]
Seriously, if your preference is unthinking application of tropes? Go for it. There's really nothing wrong with it at your table.

I think that there's a point at which you can explore nuances. Just as the same as you can explore shitty neogi races.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 07:39:45 PMJust by using the term slavery you have encoded a tremendous amount of information on the creature, its motivations and economics.

For the lowest common denominator? Sure.

If that's where you're at? Cool.

#therpgsite

As to lexicon, WotC is literally removing the term "slavery" from WotC's Lexicon.  As to slavery encoding information, again its quite useful from an economic perspective.  I do not require an entire backstory on a monster entry in a book.  If a splatbook is released that is expected.  You are going to expect condensed information in a monster manual.  Terms like feudal, tribal, matriarchy, republic, slavery all denote how a monster lives as a society in a greatly condensed term and word count.

I admire your persistence, but this dude is a foreign-born beltway bandit and academic.  Trying to explain woke to him is like trying to explain water to a fish... he is so surrounded by it he can't even conceive of any absence of it.  Though I am amused by dudes like this trying to lecture others about American political parties and their historic ideals (note the boilerplate mindless repetition of "the parties switched!" that the Dems use to try and immunize themselves from their history).  It's like watching an Eskimo describe the mentality and lifestyle of Sub-Saharan Africans... to a Congolese...

Quote from: Eirikrautha on November 26, 2023, 10:25:46 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 08:51:56 PM

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 26, 2023, 08:21:23 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 07:39:45 PM
The reason why the leftards are removing slavery as a term is they themselves were slavers, ie Democrats.

Errr, you do realise that there's this whole political shift when it comes to "Democrats" and "Republicans", right?

The term "180" might be involved?

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 07:39:45 PMThey feel very uncomfortable having slavery brought up and they want it removed from the lexicon.

Which lexicon?

If the Left is up to shenanigans they should totally be called out on this.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 07:39:45 PMObama bombed Libya...

Totally.

At this point, however, I don't think that my agreement (or not) is going to be taken in a good way. You know. Because I'm a "fake centrist".

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 07:39:45 PMAs to you going into the motivations of Neogis, while I find it cute, the Neogi were created to be a monster to be killed, they are a plot point.  You could ask the same for motivations for a crystal ooze, they are there to be an obstacle to the party to overcome. [/qutoe]
Seriously, if your preference is unthinking application of tropes? Go for it. There's really nothing wrong with it at your table.

I think that there's a point at which you can explore nuances. Just as the same as you can explore shitty neogi races.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 07:39:45 PMJust by using the term slavery you have encoded a tremendous amount of information on the creature, its motivations and economics.

For the lowest common denominator? Sure.

If that's where you're at? Cool.

#therpgsite

As to lexicon, WotC is literally removing the term "slavery" from WotC's Lexicon.  As to slavery encoding information, again its quite useful from an economic perspective.  I do not require an entire backstory on a monster entry in a book.  If a splatbook is released that is expected.  You are going to expect condensed information in a monster manual.  Terms like feudal, tribal, matriarchy, republic, slavery all denote how a monster lives as a society in a greatly condensed term and word count.

I admire your persistence, but this dude is a foreign-born beltway bandit and academic.  Trying to explain woke to him is like trying to explain water to a fish... he is so surrounded by it he can't even conceive of any absence of it.  Though I am amused by dudes like this trying to lecture others about American political parties and their historic ideals (note the boilerplate mindless repetition of "the parties switched!" that the Dems use to try and immunize themselves from their history).  It's like watching an Eskimo describe the mentality and lifestyle of Sub-Saharan Africans... to a Congolese...

I enjoy causing mental pain to leftists personally.

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 26, 2023, 08:21:23 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 26, 2023, 07:39:45 PM
The reason why the leftards are removing slavery as a term is they themselves were slavers, ie Democrats.

Errr, you do realise that there's this whole political shift when it comes to "Democrats" and "Republicans", right?

The term "180" might be involved?

More like zero degrees.  Which party is on the side of human traffickers today?  The same party that was the party of slavery then.

EDIT: My mistake.  I responded to a Kage post.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on November 26, 2023, 10:25:46 PMI admire your persistence, but this dude is a foreign-born beltway bandit and academic.

And I guess  I could say something like, I don't know, "you're one of the nativist fucktards that couldn't pass the USCIS civics test if it was explained to you real slow, just like 70% of the Bible Belt." (And, yes, this is the same BS as you are perpetuating.)

If there are elitist pricks around here, it might just be you.

But of course you realise this and likely revel in it. It's my fault that I responded to the political BS.

Ah, fuck it. Done. You have succeeded. This place is just like the left-wing bullshit from rpg.net. I'm glad that you have found your happy place. I just wanted to talk about gaming without being pressured to conform to political BS and the ahistorical BS about parties was the defining moment here.

I wish you a country with better civic education, less lying to yourself, and less BS. Good luck.

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 27, 2023, 03:53:56 AM
It's my fault that I responded to the political BS.

It truly is. You claim to want to avoid all the political stuff but then you interact with a thread that's clearly political. Just don't. There's plenty of threads here which are non political and just about gaming, stuck to those like everyone else who doesn't want to deal with politics.

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 27, 2023, 03:53:56 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on November 26, 2023, 10:25:46 PMI admire your persistence, but this dude is a foreign-born beltway bandit and academic.

And I guess  I could say something like, I don't know, "you're one of the nativist fucktards that couldn't pass the USCIS civics test if it was explained to you real slow, just like 70% of the Bible Belt." (And, yes, this is the same BS as you are perpetuating.)

If there are elitist pricks around here, it might just be you.

But of course you realise this and likely revel in it. It's my fault that I responded to the political BS.

Ah, fuck it. Done. You have succeeded. This place is just like the left-wing bullshit from rpg.net. I'm glad that you have found your happy place. I just wanted to talk about gaming without being pressured to conform to political BS and the ahistorical BS about parties was the defining moment here.

I wish you a country with better civic education, less lying to yourself, and less BS. Good luck.

Ultimately any site with free speech will tend to gravitate towards conservatism due to merits of the argument.  Note son, you weren't banned here, it was your complete and utter lack of merit in your arguments that made you tuck your pecker between your legs and run because everything political you argued has ZERO merit.  On a number of leftist sites you get no practice in your political arguments and the amount of ignorance that falls out of your mouth is telling.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 27, 2023, 06:54:02 AM

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 27, 2023, 03:53:56 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on November 26, 2023, 10:25:46 PMI admire your persistence, but this dude is a foreign-born beltway bandit and academic.

And I guess  I could say something like, I don't know, "you're one of the nativist fucktards that couldn't pass the USCIS civics test if it was explained to you real slow, just like 70% of the Bible Belt." (And, yes, this is the same BS as you are perpetuating.)

If there are elitist pricks around here, it might just be you.

But of course you realise this and likely revel in it. It's my fault that I responded to the political BS.

Ah, fuck it. Done. You have succeeded. This place is just like the left-wing bullshit from rpg.net. I'm glad that you have found your happy place. I just wanted to talk about gaming without being pressured to conform to political BS and the ahistorical BS about parties was the defining moment here.

I wish you a country with better civic education, less lying to yourself, and less BS. Good luck.

Ultimately any site with free speech will tend to gravitate towards conservatism due to merits of the argument.  Note son, you weren't banned here, it was your complete and utter lack of merit in your arguments that made you tuck your pecker between your legs and run because everything political you argued has ZERO merit.  On a number of leftist sites you get no practice in your political arguments and the amount of ignorance that falls out of your mouth is telling.

When a leftist leaves a controlled echo chamber where statements go unchallenged, and ventures into a place where he has to back up his argument with facts and reason, it's a type of culture shock.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on November 27, 2023, 09:05:30 AM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 27, 2023, 06:54:02 AM

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 27, 2023, 03:53:56 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on November 26, 2023, 10:25:46 PMI admire your persistence, but this dude is a foreign-born beltway bandit and academic.

And I guess  I could say something like, I don't know, "you're one of the nativist fucktards that couldn't pass the USCIS civics test if it was explained to you real slow, just like 70% of the Bible Belt." (And, yes, this is the same BS as you are perpetuating.)

If there are elitist pricks around here, it might just be you.

But of course you realise this and likely revel in it. It's my fault that I responded to the political BS.

Ah, fuck it. Done. You have succeeded. This place is just like the left-wing bullshit from rpg.net. I'm glad that you have found your happy place. I just wanted to talk about gaming without being pressured to conform to political BS and the ahistorical BS about parties was the defining moment here.

I wish you a country with better civic education, less lying to yourself, and less BS. Good luck.

Ultimately any site with free speech will tend to gravitate towards conservatism due to merits of the argument.  Note son, you weren't banned here, it was your complete and utter lack of merit in your arguments that made you tuck your pecker between your legs and run because everything political you argued has ZERO merit.  On a number of leftist sites you get no practice in your political arguments and the amount of ignorance that falls out of your mouth is telling.

When a leftist leaves a controlled echo chamber where statements go unchallenged, and ventures into a place where he has to back up his argument with facts and reason, it's a type of culture shock.

The real cultural shock for leftists will be in countries where they win, nationalize farms and then go into immediate famine and genocides.  That is the real cultural shock.  And like surprised detective pikachu they are like why didn't anyone tell them that socialism always fails and leads to famine and genocides?  How is this not known.

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 27, 2023, 03:53:56 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on November 26, 2023, 10:25:46 PMI admire your persistence, but this dude is a foreign-born beltway bandit and academic.

And I guess  I could say something like, I don't know, "you're one of the nativist fucktards that couldn't pass the USCIS civics test if it was explained to you real slow, just like 70% of the Bible Belt." (And, yes, this is the same BS as you are perpetuating.)

If there are elitist pricks around here, it might just be you.

But of course you realise this and likely revel in it. It's my fault that I responded to the political BS.

Ah, fuck it. Done. You have succeeded. This place is just like the left-wing bullshit from rpg.net. I'm glad that you have found your happy place. I just wanted to talk about gaming without being pressured to conform to political BS and the ahistorical BS about parties was the defining moment here.

I wish you a country with better civic education, less lying to yourself, and less BS. Good luck.

I disagree with a lot of what you say and think that you're kinda clueless about most of the political issues people discuss here. But you're not wrong that this place is dominated by abrasive people who're completely oblivious to how partisan they are. And the "no non-gaming related politics" rule makes it impossible to argue with someone who significantly disagrees on these topics without skirting to rules. Making this place kinda pointless for political discussion unless you already agree with people here.

Plus you don't even like D&D from what I seen you post. And this place is rabidly pro-D&D/OSR. So this not might be the best place for you. Sent you a PM.

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 27, 2023, 03:53:56 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on November 26, 2023, 10:25:46 PMI admire your persistence, but this dude is a foreign-born beltway bandit and academic.

And I guess  I could say something like, I don't know, "you're one of the nativist fucktards that couldn't pass the USCIS civics test if it was explained to you real slow, just like 70% of the Bible Belt." (And, yes, this is the same BS as you are perpetuating.)

If there are elitist pricks around here, it might just be you.

But of course you realise this and likely revel in it. It's my fault that I responded to the political BS.

Ah, fuck it. Done. You have succeeded. This place is just like the left-wing bullshit from rpg.net. I'm glad that you have found your happy place. I just wanted to talk about gaming without being pressured to conform to political BS and the ahistorical BS about parties was the defining moment here.

I wish you a country with better civic education, less lying to yourself, and less BS. Good luck.

This place is not like rpg.net.  You haven't been banned or sanctioned by moderators even after disagreeing with the prevalent politics of the site on a thread started by the site's owner.  rpg.net is a totalitarian state.  Here you have free speech and others are free to disagree with you.

I'm here to talk about RPGs too, so I usually don't get into the political discussions.  It's easy.  You can do it too if that's what you're here for,

87 posts and dipping out over this? LOL. I can't even say that's a good try.

Quote from: tenbones on November 28, 2023, 02:32:24 AM
87 posts and dipping out over this? LOL. I can't even say that's a good try.

When a guy is a cultural marxist and decides he's going to give it to those damn guys over at the rpgsite who are to the right of Stalin, and then he fails continuously, well flameout is expected.  Most leftists are on heavily controlled boards where their "allies" took over moderation and the site is decidedly Marxist in nature.  Just go to the RPG.net and you'll get an idea of the people who frequent there and their ability to make a political argument to people again right of Stalin.  Its pretty bad.

I'll play Satan's Lawyer a bit...

WotC owns D&D. Do they not have the right to pillage the D&D brand as they see fit? Do they not have the right to lie to everyone about its history? To fill it with their own self-loathing fantasies and frankenstein it into a worse monstrosity than it is now?

And why do we care? They are about to seal themselves off in Crypt of Insanity. The brand is going elsewhere to dwell and hopefully they'll bring the Marxists with them into the walled Crypt. And there they should lay for all eternity... doing unspeakable acts to themselves.

Let them spin their lies. Give them no money, no sustenance, no energy. We have better things to do (and play).