Quote from: ThePoxBox;1039181If there were consequences for false accusations I'd feel differently, but there aren't because the falsity of the accusations is just as hard to prove as the validity of them. Without any physical evidence, these situations are hearsay and should be treated as such. That is, there is no adjudicating hearsay, no matter the number of witnesses. No evidence, no case, no punishment.

Methinks you are going to the wrong parties. At a convention, there are hundreds of people all of whom are carrying high definition cameras in their pockets. Conduct yourself in public as if a camera is pointed at you, because one probably is.
 

Quote from: ThePoxBox;1039181In my experience, you personally, are a racist and sexist theocrat professing the doctrine of "normal, respectful" purity. You're more disgusting than those that you try to pass judgement upon.

If it makes you feel better, I don't believe in imaginary sky beings, nor any other thing from a book of fairy tales written by bronze age primitives.

Quote from: Krimson;1039172Last I checked, people don't go to gaming conventions looking for a hookup. I could care less what the person I am buying books from looks like because I am there to buy books. Mind you, I also shave and shower and exercise regularly and am capable of having a conversation without making sexual comments so yeah.

A talent I have yet to master-bate.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1039189A talent I have yet to master-bate.

You'd be surprised how many problems this avoids. I have been falsely accused of sexual harassment before. I dealt with it by not being defensive and just answering questions as honestly as possible. Now I know that isn't going to help everyone. I mean there are people in prison or who have been executed because of false evidence or testimony. I cannot control how others behave, and I can only control my own conduct when in public. If I am faced with an accusation, then I don't get defensive. They can go ahead and present their evidence. Mind you, I also spent years as a shop steward, and spent a good amount of time keeping people from losing their jobs over baseless accusations.

Quote from: Krimson;1039187Methinks you are going to the wrong parties. At a convention, there are hundreds of people all of whom are carrying high definition cameras in their pockets. Conduct yourself in public as if a camera is pointed at you, because one probably is.
 


If it makes you feel better, I don't believe in imaginary sky beings, nor any other thing from a book of fairy tales written by bronze age primitives.

You don't have to believe in a god or old religion to be a theocrat. You're building the new religion, the new philosophy that what makes you uncomfortable is evil and what makes you feel safe is good, and that you can attack and ruin people's livelihoods with words. Good luck with that. Defamation can be more damaging to someone's reputation than any fistfight, and you and yours can be sued for bringing forth people to a tribunal of event organizers or forum moderators. Most settlements are under non disclosure agreements, so you don't hear about what actually happens in most of these cases. I can tell you that people who bring slander and libel against people with no evidence will lose and lose hard in court. I don't negotiate with social justice terrorists, and nobody else should either.

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;1038859At least a third of the players in my local D&D scene are women, and I live in a pretty redneck rural area. The percentage goes up even higher if you count Pathfinder as "D&D". Forty percent for a college town or big metro area is completely plausible.

It's not the eighties anymore.

I wouldn't be surprised if 40 per cent of D&D players under the age of 40 today are women. I would be surprised, however, if more than a quarter of the players over 40 are women. Few of those long-term players are active on social media, so they're likely under-recognized by WotC.

It is kinda of comical how it undermines the representation crusade. If almost half of players are women, then why are we still fretting over this stuff?

Quote from: ThePoxBox;1039211You don't have to believe in a god or old religion to be a theocrat. You're building the new religion, the new philosophy that what makes you uncomfortable is evil and what makes you feel safe is good, and that you can attack and ruin people's livelihoods with words. Good luck with that. Defamation can be more damaging to someone's reputation than any fistfight, and you and yours can be sued for bringing forth people to a tribunal of event organizers or forum moderators. Most settlements are under non disclosure agreements, so you don't hear about what actually happens in most of these cases. I can tell you that people who bring slander and libel against people with no evidence will lose and lose hard in court. I don't negotiate with social justice terrorists, and nobody else should either.

Alrighty then.

Quote from: ThePoxBox;1039211You don't have to believe in a god or old religion to be a theocrat. You're building the new religion, the new philosophy that what makes you uncomfortable is evil and what makes you feel safe is good, and that you can attack and ruin people's livelihoods with words. Good luck with that. Defamation can be more damaging to someone's reputation than any fistfight, and you and yours can be sued for bringing forth people to a tribunal of event organizers or forum moderators. Most settlements are under non disclosure agreements, so you don't hear about what actually happens in most of these cases. I can tell you that people who bring slander and libel against people with no evidence will lose and lose hard in court. I don't negotiate with social justice terrorists, and nobody else should either.

Show us on the doll where a girl touched you in a bad way.

Quote from: Haffrung;1039212I wouldn't be surprised if 40 per cent of D&D players under the age of 40 today are women. I would be surprised, however, if more than a quarter of the players over 40 are women. Few of those long-term players are active on social media, so they're likely under-recognized by WotC.

It is kinda of comical how it undermines the representation crusade. If almost half of players are women, then why are we still fretting over this stuff?

Progressives don't like progress. You can't collect money if there isn't a problem.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1039221Show us on the doll where a girl touched you in a bad way.

That would actually improve the quality of the performance-art.

This was linked to earlier in another thread...not sure why it's suddenly getting outrage now. More importantly, not sure what the objections really are?

OK, you're not sure about their numbers. WHY? You have reason to believe there are not more players now than before? You have reason to think a lot more women are not playing now than before? What are those reasons, other than anecdotes from people who on average tend to be themselves older players who more frequently play an older version of the game and far less likely to be representative of modern sales for a relatively new version of the game?

These reactions are just odd to me. As someone who is nearly 50, I wouldn't assume I had a great bead on the heartbeat of current music for example - my tastes will differ from the more typical tastes of a 20 year old, and I wouldn't automatically assume a music company reporting that there was a rapid increase in the amount of money or quantity of sales they experienced this year was false based on my own experiences. But for some reason when it comes to D&D people are assuming they have a better bead on it than the company selling it for...reasons? Because we like RPGs and talk about them a lot? Because we've been playing for a very long time? I am just not seeing those kinds of reasons as being particularly good ones.

In light of PHB sales being at or near the top of all book sales for much of FOUR FULL YEARS, and Streaming and YouTube videos of both live games being played and advice on running the game are seeing view counts which challenge other very mainstream pop culture entertainment numbers, along with consistent data from other sources (including NYT Best Seller List, ICv2 reporting, Barnes and Noble reporting, SEC regulated quarterly and yearly reporting from Hasbro stock reports, appearances on popular television shows, an expensive court fight over the rights to make a movie, similar upticks in adjacent hobbies like board games and interest in other geek culture products, etc.) why all the doubting that the numbers being reported might be real?

Quote from: Mistwell;1039232This was linked to earlier in another thread...not sure why it's suddenly getting outrage now. More importantly, not sure what the objections really are? OK, you're not sure about their numbers. WHY? You have reason to believe there are not more players now than before? You have reason to think a lot more women are not playing now than before? What are those reasons, other than anecdotes from people who are themselves older players who typically play an older version of the game and inherently unlikely to be representative of modern sales for a relatively new version of the game?

But the WotC spokesperson wasn't talking about new players or players of the latest edition. He said all D&D players. And since there a lot of people from the early 80s D&D craze still playing, and as there were vanishingly few women playing back in those days, I'm skeptical about that 40 per cent figure. Not outraged, just skeptical. As I am about most marketing and PR efforts.

Quote from: Haffrung;1039240And since there a lot of people from the early 80s D&D craze still playing, and as there were vanishingly few women playing back in those days,

I don't know where the hell you were or how old you were, but college gaming groups in the 80s, at least in the Midwest, were close to 50/50.

The 40% figure is not in quotes:
  [I]It worked; a 2017 survey found that nearly 40 percent of D&D players are women.[/I]
We have no idea who is making the claim of 40 percent, WotC spokesperson or reporter. They are indicating that it is the findings of a single 2017 survey, so we are left to question whether that (40% of all D&D players) is actually the reasonable conclusion of the survey (and whether the survey could accurately determine that). As usual, (social) scientific reporting in local newspapers is insufficient. Color me unsurprised.

Quote from: Haffrung;1039240But the WotC spokesperson wasn't talking about new players or players of the latest edition. He said all D&D players. And since there a lot of people from the early 80s D&D craze still playing, and as there were vanishingly few women playing back in those days, I'm skeptical about that 40 per cent figure. Not outraged, just skeptical. As I am about most marketing and PR efforts.

They also say D&D is selling more than it's ever sold before in the history of the game. So, a larger percentage of those players being surveyed are new. Old players drop away over time, but if sales are at their peak, then we're talking about a much larger percentage of new players.

Quote from: Mistwell;1039267They also say D&D is selling more than it's ever sold before in the history of the game. So, a larger percentage of those players being surveyed are new. Old players drop away over time, but if sales are at their peak, then we're talking about a much larger percentage of new players.

   OTOH, once you've got the core, you can keep playing indefinitely without needing to buy new stuff, so while 5E players may be a plurality, the 5E books would arguably have to have sold on the level of most or all other editions combined in order to be of necessity an outright majority.

   But I don't want what WotC is selling (aside from old PDFs), they don't want me as a customer, and I'm too skittish of strangers and the new gaming culture to want to engage with the AL or a new group, so on a personal level, it's all moot.