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WotC's Spellplague Rollback?

Started by jeff37923, August 06, 2013, 02:06:25 PM

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crkrueger

#105
August 21, 2013, 06:43:10 PM
Sounds about right.
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mhensley

#106
August 21, 2013, 06:55:59 PM
Quote from: JonWake;684236Jesus, I had no idea what a clusterfuck 4e was for the Realms.  Do you figure they took Ed Greenwood aside and were like,
 "Hey Ed--everything we're ever publishing is core now, because we never want another DM to have to say 'no'. So we figured it would be totally metal to like, smash another world into the Realms."
"Wait, like a dimension?"
"No, like a planet."
"Wouldn't that kind of break a planet?"
"Listen, Ed, they told me you were a team player. Are you on Team Awesome, or Team Stick in The Mud?"
"I'm just not sure--"
"Awesome? Or Stick in the Mud? Because we only have room on payroll for people on Team Awesome."
"I do like eating."
"We all like eating, Ed."
"So... is this like a Spelljammer crossover? Like an alien invasion thing? We've established the Spelljammers exist here, you know."
"Ed, I'm hearing a lot of old ideas out of you. I'm not hearing any new ideas. You know what a new idea is, right, Ed?"
"Planet Smashing."
"Fuck. Yes. Good to have you on board."

Maybe they mistook him for Tom Wham.

jadrax

#107
August 21, 2013, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: JonWake;684236Jesus, I had no idea what a clusterfuck 4e was for the Realms.  Do you figure they took Ed Greenwood aside and were like,
 "Hey Ed--everything we're ever publishing is core now, because we never want another DM to have to say 'no'. So we figured it would be totally metal to like, smash another world into the Realms."
"Wait, like a dimension?"
"No, like a planet."
"Wouldn't that kind of break a planet?"
"Listen, Ed, they told me you were a team player. Are you on Team Awesome, or Team Stick in The Mud?"
"I'm just not sure--"
"Awesome? Or Stick in the Mud? Because we only have room on payroll for people on Team Awesome."
"I do like eating."
"We all like eating, Ed."
"So... is this like a Spelljammer crossover? Like an alien invasion thing? We've established the Spelljammers exist here, you know."
"Ed, I'm hearing a lot of old ideas out of you. I'm not hearing any new ideas. You know what a new idea is, right, Ed?"
"Planet Smashing."
"Fuck. Yes. Good to have you on board."


That pretty much matches how Bob describes it.

Quote from: R.A.SalvatoreThe Forgotten Realms is not my world. If I want to play in WotC's sandbox, I have to go along with their decisions. When they decided to advance the world 100 years, I had to follow.

It caused great distress - for Ed Greenwood too, I might add. So we talked about it and decided on two things:

    We'd take it as an opportunity to grow our protagonists in unexpected ways.

    We'd play the long game. We'd either outsmart or simply outlast the designers...

Opaopajr

#108
August 22, 2013, 12:16:42 AM
There are some moments of justice in the world, and watching "4e Fucked Up" Realms fall monumentally flat is one of them.
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James Gillen

#109
August 22, 2013, 01:26:22 AM
When you say "Planet Smashing," it makes it seem so much cooler than it actually was.

JG
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Obeeron

#110
August 22, 2013, 10:16:57 AM
An interesting interview with Salvatore about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aLf1hBUr9M4#t=700

(11:40 is the time if that link doesn't take you right to it).

It sounds like with the 4E transition they took the writers and said, *this* is what is happening to fit the game.  With the 5E transition they are saying, this is the new game system, you tell us what to do with the world.

Reckall

#111
August 22, 2013, 07:14:28 PM
Quote from: Bloody Stupid Johnson;682865IIRC 'Abeir-Toril' just translates to "cradle of life" i.e. its the full name of Toril in the canon. So the whole second planet existing is a retcon. Along with the Dragonboob empire and Tiefling empires, the addition of primordials and whatnot to canon, they managed to not just Spellplague the planet but also change its history. Oh and they replaced nearly all the gods.

Let's not forget how they pulverised Planescape, too. 3/3.5 gave it to you "on the sly" thanks to the Plane books (which basically were unofficial Planescape conversion book). Even if you didn't own/like PS, they were full of ideas for creating your own rich Cosmology.

4E had the FeyAss and something else that escapes me...
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Mistwell

#112
August 22, 2013, 11:16:51 PM Last Edit: August 22, 2013, 11:20:00 PM by Mistwell
Quote from: Reckall;684616Let's not forget how they pulverised Planescape, too. 3/3.5 gave it to you "on the sly" thanks to the Plane books (which basically were unofficial Planescape conversion book). Even if you didn't own/like PS, they were full of ideas for creating your own rich Cosmology.

4E had the FeyAss and something else that escapes me...

Actually the very best stuff for 4e, the stuff still worth buying and reading for any campaign, is some of the planes stuff intended for DMs.  The Plane Above: Secrets of the Astral Sea; The Plane Below: Secrets of the Elemental Chaos; Open Grave: Secrets of the Undead; The Shadowfell: Gloomwrought And Beyond; and Manual of the Planes.  Those books are all top notch, crunch-lite, fluff-heavy, chalk full of awesome ideas that can be borrowed for any campaign.

There never was a DM book devoted to the Feywild, by the way.

JonWake

#113
August 23, 2013, 01:06:21 AM
Quote from: Mistwell;684663Actually the very best stuff for 4e, the stuff still worth buying and reading for any campaign, is some of the planes stuff intended for DMs.  The Plane Above: Secrets of the Astral Sea; The Plane Below: Secrets of the Elemental Chaos; Open Grave: Secrets of the Undead; The Shadowfell: Gloomwrought And Beyond; and Manual of the Planes.  Those books are all top notch, crunch-lite, fluff-heavy, chalk full of awesome ideas that can be borrowed for any campaign.

There never was a DM book devoted to the Feywild, by the way.

I only ever got the Undead book, but I'll back you up on this: it had a really neat take on the difference between willed and unwilled undead.

James Gillen

#114
August 23, 2013, 02:26:24 AM
Quote from: Mistwell;684663Actually the very best stuff for 4e, the stuff still worth buying and reading for any campaign, is some of the planes stuff intended for DMs.  The Plane Above: Secrets of the Astral Sea; The Plane Below: Secrets of the Elemental Chaos; Open Grave: Secrets of the Undead; The Shadowfell: Gloomwrought And Beyond; and Manual of the Planes.  Those books are all top notch, crunch-lite, fluff-heavy, chalk full of awesome ideas that can be borrowed for any campaign.

There never was a DM book devoted to the Feywild, by the way.

Thing is, the Feywild was probably the best idea, insofar as you can interpret Faerie as a "sideways" dimension that you can add to a cosmology without nuking and paving everything else.

JG
-My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line and kiss my ass.
 -Christopher Hitchens
-Be very very careful with any argument that calls for hurting specific people right now in order to theoretically help abstract people later.
-Daztur
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