Quote from: Shasarak on July 19, 2022, 10:04:58 PM

Quote from: Jason Coplen on July 19, 2022, 07:17:17 PM
Dwarves ain't pussies, so go ahead and use them.

But they're Texans, no Scots.

A Texan Dwarf?  Only on the new LotR series I think.

No those are Seattle Dwarves not Texan in the new fake LotR series.   Get it right! sheesh

Quote from: jhkim on July 19, 2022, 08:02:34 PM

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Quote from: jhkim on July 19, 2022, 04:30:46 PM
In general, what is the actual text talked about here? It's supposedly from Journeys through the Radiant Citadel, but I remember how Pundit previously claimed that Candlekeep Mysteries had an official combat wheelchair and that every dungeon from Candlekeep on was wheelchair-accessible - which were blatantly false.

Should be easy to prove.  Pundit purports to quote directly from the source material.   Check the source and tell us if he made up the quotes. Simple.  Of course, you would have to engage with his points, as opposed to trying to denigrate them by association.  That's the way the woke do things... find one error and then assert that everything said in the past, present, and future is wrong due to that singular error.

So, did Pundit make up the quotes as you are asserting?  Because if you aren't asserting that, then why bring it up (other that to smear something factual with a previous error that has nothing to do with it)?  That's just sleazy.

I don't own Journeys through the Radiant Citadel, so I'm not in a position to check right now. Maybe I'll pick it up some time over the next week, in which case I'll report back then. If someone else has access to it and can show the actual text, I'd be curious. Otherwise, it'll wait until I can get it via my local game store.

His wheelchair claims weren't just minor "whoops" errors or minor nitpicks. They were massively wrong. Not only did Candlekeep Mysteries not have a combat wheelchair item, it didn't have any wheelchairs at all, nor were any adventures wheelchair accessible. In general, someone's past track record of accuracy is relevant to how reliable one should consider them.

What happened is that WOTC lied in their promoting of something. Again. And of course Pundit and others fell for it and gave WOTC free advertising.
And odds are Citadel was the same. I have not had a chance to glance at it. Sure as hell arent giving money to WOTC for treating minorities as objects. Again.
And of course the usual suspects were making claims and going on about those horrible white mans making a game and how completely tokenizing minorities for product placement is a great advancement for justice against those nasty white mans. Because before WOTC no minority was allowed to play! Or some other made up nonesense as usual. Sorry grifters. I've been playing RPGs just fine from the get go and before the get go even.
https://www.kuow.org/stories/d-d-s-radiant-citadel-changes-the-game-for-bipoc-players-bc2c

But this new claim was not in the promotion sooooo. Odds climb that it actually is in the damn book because its exactly what WOTC would do. We'll see soon enough Im sure.

Quote from: jhkim on July 19, 2022, 04:30:46 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 19, 2022, 04:17:57 PM
If understand correctly, what they're telling you is that you're not allowed to be "racist." What is considered racist for this purpose and how do they intend to enforce this rule?

In general, what is the actual text talked about here? It's supposedly from Journeys through the Radiant Citadel, but I remember how Pundit previously claimed that Candlekeep Mysteries had an official combat wheelchair and that every dungeon from Candlekeep on was wheelchair-accessible - which were blatantly false.

Except that it wasn't "false", it was based on what leftist gaming media were reporting. So THEY were the liars.

And in this current video, I was literally reading from a screenshot of the book in the video. Unless it was created as a very clever fraud, and then disseminated throughout twitter and promoted by the woke mobs, I'm pretty sure it's legit.

Quote from: rytrasmi on July 19, 2022, 09:54:12 PM

Quote from: Wisithir on July 19, 2022, 08:54:38 PM
RPG Systems are tools. WotC can can no more grant or deny a GM a way of running a game than a tool manufacture can dictate what kind of wood a carpenter may cut with the saw.

This is a great analogy that illustrates the brainwashing at hand.

Label on the saw: Dear Saw Owner: This saw will safely cut ash, pine, and beech.

Experienced saw owner: Hmm. That's a weird thing to say. I know this saw has 1 mm coined carbide teeth, so it should cut oak just fine. Here goes.

Novice saw owner: There must be a good reason for this, so let's do what it says.

It's a subtle usurpation of authority. It raises doubt in young minds.

Perhaps the saw maker wants to sell a special oak saw to people who don't know any better.

Perhaps WotC wants to position themselves as the "safe" option and cast doubt on other games. Or perhaps they're just woke wankers.

Probably the final two options and the one above that. WOTC is as crooked as it gets and they have ripped off other companies in the past and will do it again Im sure if given a chance. So pulling a Nintendo maneuver to weaponize moral outrage against a competitir is not outside the insane possiblity. And they are also woke wankers so its double the fun.

And like Nintendo they will wait a bit. Then turn around and make "adult" RPG products to show how more edgy than edgy they are. Elmara paints her nails black! Ghasparoonies! Mordenkwinen comes out of the closet and is dating Strahd! Get thee to a fainting couch! Mystra champions gnay gnome rights! Wheres a mimic when you need one???

I don't purchase or play anything from them, but the bottom line is I play my game the way I feel like playing it.  I develop the campaign world to suit me and my players.  I have neither the need nor desire to adhere to how "they" say it should be. 

what were the regulations exactly? currently cannot access youtube

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 07:37:35 AM

Quote from: jhkim on July 19, 2022, 04:30:46 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 19, 2022, 04:17:57 PM
If understand correctly, what they're telling you is that you're not allowed to be "racist." What is considered racist for this purpose and how do they intend to enforce this rule?

In general, what is the actual text talked about here? It's supposedly from Journeys through the Radiant Citadel, but I remember how Pundit previously claimed that Candlekeep Mysteries had an official combat wheelchair and that every dungeon from Candlekeep on was wheelchair-accessible - which were blatantly false.

Except that it wasn't "false", it was based on what leftist gaming media were reporting. So THEY were the liars.

Propagating a story without verifying it isn't any better.

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 20, 2022, 09:20:47 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 07:37:35 AM

Quote from: jhkim on July 19, 2022, 04:30:46 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 19, 2022, 04:17:57 PM
If understand correctly, what they're telling you is that you're not allowed to be "racist." What is considered racist for this purpose and how do they intend to enforce this rule?

In general, what is the actual text talked about here? It's supposedly from Journeys through the Radiant Citadel, but I remember how Pundit previously claimed that Candlekeep Mysteries had an official combat wheelchair and that every dungeon from Candlekeep on was wheelchair-accessible - which were blatantly false.

Except that it wasn't "false", it was based on what leftist gaming media were reporting. So THEY were the liars.

Propagating a story without verifying it isn't any better.

"Guys, guys, I just repeated the lie, it's not like I was lying!"

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 20, 2022, 10:04:53 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 20, 2022, 09:20:47 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 07:37:35 AM

Quote from: jhkim on July 19, 2022, 04:30:46 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 19, 2022, 04:17:57 PM
If understand correctly, what they're telling you is that you're not allowed to be "racist." What is considered racist for this purpose and how do they intend to enforce this rule?

In general, what is the actual text talked about here? It's supposedly from Journeys through the Radiant Citadel, but I remember how Pundit previously claimed that Candlekeep Mysteries had an official combat wheelchair and that every dungeon from Candlekeep on was wheelchair-accessible - which were blatantly false.

Except that it wasn't "false", it was based on what leftist gaming media were reporting. So THEY were the liars.

Propagating a story without verifying it isn't any better.

"Guys, guys, I just repeated the lie, it's not like I was lying!"

Book hasn't even come out yet.

Quote from: Shasarak on July 19, 2022, 10:04:58 PM

Quote from: Jason Coplen on July 19, 2022, 07:17:17 PM
Dwarves ain't pussies, so go ahead and use them.

But they're Texans, no Scots.

A Texan Dwarf?  Only on the new LotR series I think.

My Dwarves are German and Chinese. Elves Portuguese.  Gnomes Korean. Hobgoblin's Japanese. Common is English. Undercommon is Swedish.

Seeing as how I'm None of those and speak 2 languages among the many I listed. Not a single one of my incredibly diverse table, several who speak those languages fluently, give a damn about my 'acting'.  In fact they find it more Inclusive that I'm trying new things using languages they are familiar with and find it enjoyable I'm bringing a different spin on the usual tropes in my fantasy make believe game that involves chance and math.

Quote from: DocJones on July 19, 2022, 06:11:58 PM
So my players wearing blackface is right out then?

Blackface is always bad. 
Drowface is fine, just so long as the drow isn't black.

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 20, 2022, 10:26:18 AM

Quote from: DocJones on July 19, 2022, 06:11:58 PM
So my players wearing blackface is right out then?

Blackface is always bad. 
Drowface is fine, just so long as the drow isn't black.

That's quite literally a paradox.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on July 19, 2022, 04:01:45 PM
I control who plays at my table and who I spend time gaming with. If there is an individual who thinks the way WOTC thinks they are not welcome at my table and can go find a game elsewhere. 

I will not be held to an impossible and highly illogical standard for my fantasy make believe game of treasure hunt with elves and fire breathing lizards.

But it is still your responsibility to consider the feelings of all the people who -don't- play at your table.  You might say something somewhere at some point that could upset them, and they'd stop playing elf games because of it.  Or what if you were desperate and tried a pick up game with strangers?  Twitter proves those places are flooded by transracial, non-gender conforming, people who swear they are really reincarnated elves.  It's crucial you humiliate yourselves for them, and not simply walk away as they spend the first fifteen minutes of game time anxiously listing their triggers as they simultaneously try to nervously laugh off said triggers.  As their psyches are very fragile, why won't you consider the fun of these hypothetical adult-children superior to your own?!?!   

Seriously though, I do honestly wonder how much of stuff like this is less "we genuinely care about the feelings of people who will never interact with you" and more "we have a bunch of Twitterbots to constantly keep appeased, and if appeasing them means we make a little blurb about X-cards or how not all Vistani are evil or how orcs represent black people, we don't mind.  Just keep buying our stuff!" 

(And after some of the emotional outbursts I've seen regarding Fate of Cthulhu and the Ravenloft Campaign guide, I feel like there can be as much over reactionary screeching from the grognards as there is from the danger hairs.  "See this molehill!!!  It's massive!  Massive!"  Beam in your own eye battling with monsters and all that.)

Quote from: THE_Leopold on July 20, 2022, 10:27:16 AM

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 20, 2022, 10:26:18 AM

Quote from: DocJones on July 19, 2022, 06:11:58 PM
So my players wearing blackface is right out then?

Blackface is always bad. 
Drowface is fine, just so long as the drow isn't black.

That's quite literally a paradox.

Depends on your source material.  Sometimes drow are depicted as blue or purple or gray, sometimes as black.  Dig around and you can find brown drow and albino drow too (with albinism apparently more common than the norm).

It's also me poking fun at that Community episode that was pulled by the streamers for Cheng dressing up as a drow and one of the black students calling it a hate crime.