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WotC & Hired Goons

Started by RPGPundit, April 26, 2023, 10:33:42 AM

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RPGPundit

April 26, 2023, 10:33:42 AM
Just when I thought WotC couldn't screw up worse, they sent hired goons to a fan's house.
#dnd #wotc #mtg

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#1
April 26, 2023, 10:56:03 AM
Is WotC run by actual Bolsheviks at this point?
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

GhostNinja

#2
April 26, 2023, 11:02:02 AM
They sent goons to someone's house to do exactly what?
Ghostninja

Slambo

#3
April 26, 2023, 11:10:51 AM
Allegedly to take back some cards from an unreleased set

GhostNinja

#4
April 26, 2023, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: Slambo on April 26, 2023, 11:10:51 AM
Allegedly to take back some cards from an unreleased set

Hmm.  Asking for it back would be the right way to go.  Sending goons, not a great look.
Ghostninja

Shrieking Banshee

#5
April 26, 2023, 11:38:40 AM
The guy claims he was given the set by accident, and even if he wasn't. don't send actual bonifide hired goons to retrieve your goddam cardboard.

Whatever the deal with the books of creative decisions, Id say this dwards that manyfold. Id say this is worse then even the OGL thing.

THE_Leopold

#6
April 26, 2023, 01:00:51 PM
The literally hired the goddamn PINKERTONS to get the stuff back. Sweet god I didn't know we would be reliving the 1800s again and Read Dead Online would be a model for LARP'n.
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Chris24601

#7
April 26, 2023, 01:39:47 PM
At this point the only logical conclusion I can reach is that someone inside Hasbro/WotC is deliberately trying to tank their stock prices for either insider trading* or revenge.**

Anything else requires a level of incompetence that beggars belief.

* intending to buy up shares cheap for a hostile takeover or has shorted the company so profits from their loss.

** ex. that guy who wanted WotC spun off into an independent company because that division was soaking losses for Hasbro as a whole and would be more valuable if it was independent... he was denied so, revenge?

THE_Leopold

#8
April 26, 2023, 01:44:57 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on April 26, 2023, 01:39:47 PM
At this point the only logical conclusion I can reach is that someone inside Hasbro/WotC is deliberately trying to tank their stock prices for either insider trading* or revenge.**

Anything else requires a level of incompetence that beggars belief.

* intending to buy up shares cheap for a hostile takeover or has shorted the company so profits from their loss.

** ex. that guy who wanted WotC spun off into an independent company because that division was soaking losses for Hasbro as a whole and would be more valuable if it was independent... he was denied so, revenge?

not even WallStreetBets is hedging anything on Hasbro. If there was a short to be had those guys would be going hard due to the LULZ.

It is sheer incompetence at the highest level.
NKL4Lyfe

GhostNinja

#9
April 26, 2023, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on April 26, 2023, 11:38:40 AM
The guy claims he was given the set by accident, and even if he wasn't. don't send actual bonifide hired goons to retrieve your goddam cardboard.

Whatever the deal with the books of creative decisions, Id say this dwards that manyfold. Id say this is worse then even the OGL thing.

The Pinkertons are lucky they didn't go on the property of someone with a gun.  Might have ended badly for them.
Ghostninja

GhostNinja

#10
April 26, 2023, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on April 26, 2023, 01:39:47 PM
At this point the only logical conclusion I can reach is that someone inside Hasbro/WotC is deliberately trying to tank their stock prices for either insider trading* or revenge.**

Anything else requires a level of incompetence that beggars belief.

* intending to buy up shares cheap for a hostile takeover or has shorted the company so profits from their loss.

** ex. that guy who wanted WotC spun off into an independent company because that division was soaking losses for Hasbro as a whole and would be more valuable if it was independent... he was denied so, revenge?

I agree.  They couldn't have hired people this incompetent to run their business.  Someone had to interview them.  Someone had to check their references.
Ghostninja

THE_Leopold

#11
April 26, 2023, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on April 26, 2023, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on April 26, 2023, 01:39:47 PM
At this point the only logical conclusion I can reach is that someone inside Hasbro/WotC is deliberately trying to tank their stock prices for either insider trading* or revenge.**

Anything else requires a level of incompetence that beggars belief.

* intending to buy up shares cheap for a hostile takeover or has shorted the company so profits from their loss.

** ex. that guy who wanted WotC spun off into an independent company because that division was soaking losses for Hasbro as a whole and would be more valuable if it was independent... he was denied so, revenge?

I agree.  They couldn't have hired people this incompetent to run their business.  Someone had to interview them.  Someone had to check their references.


The people in charge all passed through the ESG/DEI process, therefore they are vetted.
NKL4Lyfe

jhkim

#12
April 26, 2023, 02:16:15 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on April 26, 2023, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: Slambo on April 26, 2023, 11:10:51 AM
Allegedly to take back some cards from an unreleased set

Hmm.  Asking for it back would be the right way to go.  Sending goons, not a great look.

They could well be lying, but according to WotC, they did ask for it back prior to sending them. Their statement to io9 was:

Quote from: Wizards of the CoastAs part of an investigation into the unauthorized distribution and disclosure of embargoed product, we repeatedly attempted to contact an individual who had received unreleased cards. After that outreach was unsuccessful, an investigator visited him and asked that he reach out to us as part of our investigation and return the embargoed product and packaging. He agreed to do both. The unreleased product will be replaced by us with the product he intended to purchase. We appreciate the individual's cooperation and the investigation is ongoing.

I don't know the individual or the situation, so I have no opinion on who is telling the truth here. I don't like WotC, but I still want to assess each claim.

Jam The MF

#13
April 26, 2023, 02:25:06 PM
He should have opened it up, taken pictures, and posted it online in many different formats.  At that point, what is WOTC really retrieving?
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

GeekyBugle

#14
April 26, 2023, 02:30:22 PM
Quote from: jhkim on April 26, 2023, 02:16:15 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on April 26, 2023, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: Slambo on April 26, 2023, 11:10:51 AM
Allegedly to take back some cards from an unreleased set

Hmm.  Asking for it back would be the right way to go.  Sending goons, not a great look.

They could well be lying, but according to WotC, they did ask for it back prior to sending them. Their statement to io9 was:

Quote from: Wizards of the CoastAs part of an investigation into the unauthorized distribution and disclosure of embargoed product, we repeatedly attempted to contact an individual who had received unreleased cards. After that outreach was unsuccessful, an investigator visited him and asked that he reach out to us as part of our investigation and return the embargoed product and packaging. He agreed to do both. The unreleased product will be replaced by us with the product he intended to purchase. We appreciate the individual's cooperation and the investigation is ongoing.

I don't know the individual or the situation, so I have no opinion on who is telling the truth here. I don't like WotC, but I still want to assess each claim.

I buy product X
Seller sends me instead product Y
How is that MY fault?
I paid for the product, if the seller sent me something they weren't supposed to release yet it's THEIR problem, if they want it back they need to contact me and very politely ask for it and make it worth to ME. So, exchange it for the product I ordered and throw some free extras on top.

I don't have to contact them, they have to contact me.

Under no circumstance it's justified they sending goons to MY house. IF it was me I would sue the Pinkertons, WotC AND Hasbro, milk them for a few million for MY troubles.

I'm sick and tired of people playing defense for the fucking corporations, especially "left leaning" people.
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