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5E Core Book Sensitivity and Inclusivity Changes

Started by Katowice, November 18, 2023, 02:38:29 PM

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Ratman_tf

QuoteI love Dark Sun, but I hear a lot of people saying they are harmed by the inclusion of slavery.

I am sick of the term "harmed". I am "harmed" every day by regressive jackasses who make me concerned that they wield the levers of social power and consider 1984 to be an instruction manual.

QuoteYou know, no game is worth harming people. And we are smart and capable. We can modify Dark Sun to no longer have slavery. It isn't essential. We can work with PoC designers, who should be on our staff anyway, to make a better Dark Sun.

What about the "PoC" who realize that "being harmed" is regressive code for "We control your entertainment, fucker, and we're going to constantly destroy it and rebuild it in order to serve our vanity."

This is the language of emotional blackmail and narcissist manipulators. Recognize it. Resist it.


The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Rob Necronomicon

Quote from: Ratman_tf on November 23, 2023, 10:26:32 PM
QuoteI love Dark Sun, but I hear a lot of people saying they are harmed by the inclusion of slavery.

I am sick of the term "harmed". I am "harmed" every day by regressive jackasses who make me concerned that they wield the levers of social power and consider 1984 to be an instruction manual.

QuoteYou know, no game is worth harming people. And we are smart and capable. We can modify Dark Sun to no longer have slavery. It isn't essential. We can work with PoC designers, who should be on our staff anyway, to make a better Dark Sun.

What about the "PoC" who realize that "being harmed" is regressive code for "We control your entertainment, fucker, and we're going to constantly destroy it and rebuild it in order to serve our vanity."

This is the language of emotional blackmail and narcissist manipulators. Recognize it. Resist it.

Yeah, what 'harm' exactly? What they really mean is being 'upset'. And that's not our problem... Don't like it? Play my little pony or some shit.

What causes 'real' harm are dweebs who want to censor the hobby and stifle another person's creativity.

And it's called 'Dark' Sun for a reason, and 'slavery' within the product is not going anywhere, as far as I'm concerned.






Omega

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on November 23, 2023, 03:33:07 AM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley on November 22, 2023, 10:11:09 PM
Hasbro needs to step in and stop the idiocy before it sinks the property. It's obvious that Wizards can't be trusted with it anymore.

Exactly...

Anymore?

No.

Never.

wotc is NEVER satisfied with a win and MUST fuck it up. Failure is the ONLY option.

Even with all the win they garnered with early 5e. They were already trying to fuck it up. 5 years later and the fuck ups were near full steam. At this point theres barely a month that does not pass without wotc shooting themselves in the head. AGAIN!

Expect more of this stupid. Lots more and somehow worse.

BadApple

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 23, 2023, 06:41:12 AM
I just can't wait to see what the fucktards of WotC are going to rename the Barbarian.

-Tribal Warrior: nope has tribe

-Savage: we can't use that term

-Brave: oh hell no

-Viking: too white centric but lets make a gay twink viking subclass

-Primitive Fighter: Perfect,  wait primitive can't do it

-Stone Aged Person who uses Weapons and Uses Emotions to Attack: Perfect, that's the new Barbarians reskin.

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Raging Autists  (somehow is politically correct to make fun of people with autism if they are male)
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Shipyard Locked

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 23, 2023, 06:41:12 AM
I just can't wait to see what the fucktards of WotC are going to rename the Barbarian.

-Tribal Warrior: nope has tribe

-Savage: we can't use that term

-Brave: oh hell no

-Viking: too white centric but lets make a gay twink viking subclass

-Primitive Fighter: Perfect,  wait primitive can't do it

-Stone Aged Person who uses Weapons and Uses Emotions to Attack: Perfect, that's the new Barbarians reskin.

You know damn well they're just going to call it 'berserker' or something weightless like 'rager'.

Berserker is Norse and thus 'Nazi', so it gets no sensitive kid-glove protection. They'll 'reclaim' the word for the good people of the world.

Alternatively, rager is the kind of word they slathered all over 4th-edition D&D's flavorless splatbook feature names that couldn't even evoke a yawn.


honeydipperdavid

Quote from: Shipyard Locked on November 24, 2023, 06:19:40 AM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 23, 2023, 06:41:12 AM
I just can't wait to see what the fucktards of WotC are going to rename the Barbarian.

-Tribal Warrior: nope has tribe

-Savage: we can't use that term

-Brave: oh hell no

-Viking: too white centric but lets make a gay twink viking subclass

-Primitive Fighter: Perfect,  wait primitive can't do it

-Stone Aged Person who uses Weapons and Uses Emotions to Attack: Perfect, that's the new Barbarians reskin.

You know damn well they're just going to call it 'berserker' or something weightless like 'rager'.

Berserker is Norse and thus 'Nazi', so it gets no sensitive kid-glove protection. They'll 'reclaim' the word for the good people of the world.

Alternatively, rager is the kind of word they slathered all over 4th-edition D&D's flavorless splatbook feature names that couldn't even evoke a yawn.

I think with proper pressure put on WotC via sock puppet accounts we could get them to retire the Barbarian class because its systemically racist and is unredeemable.  It should wake up quite a few players that WotC is beyond fucked in censoring content.

Exploderwizard

Quote from: BadApple on November 24, 2023, 05:33:30 AM

Raging Autists  (somehow is politically correct to make fun of people with autism if they are male)

Only the white ones.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.