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5E Core Book Sensitivity and Inclusivity Changes

Started by Katowice, November 18, 2023, 02:38:29 PM

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Brad

What are you talking about, comrade? Gender-inclusive language has always been in D&D. Now please turn in your old copies for burning.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

rytrasmi

#2
And the milquetoast-ification continues...

Edit: I admit I only skimmed this, but what the hell bounces around this guys mind?

"I personally would remove any mention of slavery."

"Favorite Setting: Dark Sun, then Greyhawk"


The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out
The ones that crawl in are lean and thin
The ones that crawl out are fat and stout
Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out
Your brains come tumbling down your snout
Be merry my friends
Be merry

Shipyard Locked

#3
So I read the blog post. Someone better back it up because it's making the round in anti-PC circles and the author might yank it for fear of giving ammunition to his 'enemies'.

The current list of banned words/concepts now includes: civilized, civilization, dark, madness, insane, crazy, dim-witted, fat, slave, slavery, savage (both noun AND adjective), primitive, mate (verb), breeding, shun (verb), dark elf, basic gender distinctions, blind (as a metaphor), ki (monk power)...

I don't know which aspect of me is more frustrated with this infantilizing language butchery, my gamer self, my English teacher self, or my freethinker self.

The worst part? There actually is a place for softer, gentler settings and games in this hobby. I've RUN softer gentler games that sidestepped these adult concepts, even for audiences of adults who wanted a break from the nastiness of the real world.

But I categorically reject the idea that it's morally necessary to try and soft-brainwash people by warping the flagship game of the hobby into some schizophrenic Disneyland where murdering things with swords and fireballs is still the primary method of problem-solving!

Quote from: rytrasmi on November 18, 2023, 03:19:06 PM
... but what the hell bounces around this guys mind?

"I personally would remove any mention of slavery."

"Favorite Setting: Dark Sun, then Greyhawk"

One wonders how his head doesn't rupture from all the sanctimonious cognitive dissonance he forces it to contain.

But maybe there's an explanation:
- Perhaps HIS Dark Sun still contains slavery because HE knows how to handle it properly, not like the intellectual peasants he's trying to protect from the KKK influence of D&D.
- Maybe HIS Dark Sun is more like a sanitized Mad Max meets Captain Planet. HIS bad guys just pollute and murder. Murder is less traumatic, you know?

"Alright boys, go and have your wicked fun decapitating, impaling, sacrificing and burning, hehehe! Oh, but not raping or enslaving, we're not monsters!"

KindaMeh

They seem almost desperate to sink to new censorship lows. All while forcing their own ideological dictates onto their customers' tables.

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Shipyard Locked on November 18, 2023, 03:35:10 PM
So I read the blog post. Someone better back it up because it's making the round in anti-PC circles and the author might yank it for fear of giving ammunition to his 'enemies'.

The current list of banned words/concepts now includes: civilized, civilization, dark, madness, insane, crazy, dim-witted, fat, slave, slavery, savage (both noun AND adjective), primitive, mate (verb), breeding, shun (verb), dark elf, basic gender distinctions, blind (as a metaphor), ki (monk power)...

I don't know which aspect of me is more frustrated with this infantilizing language butchery, my gamer self, my English teacher self, or my freethinker self.

The worst part? There actually is a place for softer, gentler settings and games in this hobby. I've RUN softer gentler games that sidestepped these adult concepts, even for audiences of adults who wanted a break from the nastiness of the real world.

But I categorically reject the idea that it's morally necessary to try and soft-brainwash people by warping the flagship game of the hobby into some schizophrenic Disneyland where murdering things with swords and fireballs is still the primary method of problem-solving!

Quote from: rytrasmi on November 18, 2023, 03:19:06 PM
... but what the hell bounces around this guys mind?

"I personally would remove any mention of slavery."

"Favorite Setting: Dark Sun, then Greyhawk"

One wonders how his head doesn't rupture from all the sanctimonious cognitive dissonance he forces it to contain.

But maybe there's an explanation:
- Perhaps HIS Dark Sun still contains slavery because HE knows how to handle it properly, not like the intellectual peasants he's trying to protect from the KKK influence of D&D.
- Maybe HIS Dark Sun is more like a sanitized Mad Max meets Captain Planet. HIS bad guys just pollute and murder. Murder is less traumatic, you know?

"Alright boys, go and have your wicked fun decapitating, impaling, sacrificing and burning, hehehe! Oh, but not raping or enslaving, we're not monsters!"

someone already did:

https://archive.is/NZeWL#
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Grognard GM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 18, 2023, 08:56:05 PMsomeone already did:

https://archive.is/NZeWL#

That puke's blogpost actually made me angry. The gleeful cheerleading of censoring everything older than 5 minutes ago, for our own good of course, boils my blood.

I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

Exploderwizard

Quote from: Grognard GM on November 18, 2023, 09:12:39 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 18, 2023, 08:56:05 PMsomeone already did:

https://archive.is/NZeWL#

That puke's blogpost actually made me angry. The gleeful cheerleading of censoring everything older than 5 minutes ago, for our own good of course, boils my blood.

Communists need to purge the past and keep the sheep in a perpetual present in which the party is always right. The goal is to bring up a new generation of gamers taught that this drivel is completely normal. The game is erasing the past one brick at a time. We older gamers have to teach the younger generation the old games, lest the history and culture of our hobby be forgotten.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Trond

Quote from: Brad on November 18, 2023, 02:47:33 PM
What are you talking about, comrade? Gender-inclusive language has always been in D&D. Now please turn in your old copies for burning.

Shakespeare too. Both simultaneously inclusive and needs burning.

Grognard GM

#9
Quote from: Exploderwizard on November 18, 2023, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on November 18, 2023, 09:12:39 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 18, 2023, 08:56:05 PMsomeone already did:

https://archive.is/NZeWL#

That puke's blogpost actually made me angry. The gleeful cheerleading of censoring everything older than 5 minutes ago, for our own good of course, boils my blood.

Communists need to purge the past and keep the sheep in a perpetual present in which the party is always right. The goal is to bring up a new generation of gamers taught that this drivel is completely normal. The game is erasing the past one brick at a time. We older gamers have to teach the younger generation the old games, lest the history and culture of our hobby be forgotten.

The truly insidious shit is the silent alterations. They see people choosing the earlier editions so as to circumvent the woke, so they make it so the uninformed have no idea that the book they buy is different from how it once was.

"What do you mean the text is different? It's the same edition, even has the same copyright date!"

It's quite a state of affairs where pirated literature is the only way unsubverted versions of books can survive. From cheapskates to archivists.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

Ratman_tf

 " 'In the language of Orthanc, help means ruin, and saving means slaying, that is plain.' "
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Bedrockbrendan

i find the idea that D&D, or any type of art, game, etc needs to be decolonized very troubling. It never seems to make anything better and it feels like it stems from an inability to understand media and art from different times. Also has a great deal in common with various forms of puritanism

Exploderwizard

Quote from: Bedrockbrendan on November 19, 2023, 08:53:14 AM
i find the idea that D&D, or any type of art, game, etc needs to be decolonized very troubling. It never seems to make anything better and it feels like it stems from an inability to understand media and art from different times. Also has a great deal in common with various forms of puritanism

It is much easier to understand the concept once you realize its connection to the worldwide crusade to eliminate Western culture and white people of European origin. Cultural erasure is something that happens over time. Diversity & inclusion are a stepping stone to this process. Diverse means ANYTHING but heterosexual white males. Then we have the erasure of cultural art such as statues & monuments. This destruction is needed to ensure there are no prominent references to people that are to be erased and replaced. White supremecy is a label that has been hijacked by the left that they apply to any white person who does not cheer for their own erasure. Everyone is permitted by the left to celebrate their culture & heritage except white people. Now that these sentiments have been been slow boiling for an entire generation we have more and more people growing up with this indoctrination of hate. Hate crime laws were established to aid in this crusade. Attacks on members of any culture or race can fall under hate crime laws. Attacks on whites generally do not unless the victim is Jewish. We need to take the power out of the leftist control of speech. The term "racist" has been thrown around so much as a general excuse for everything that it has lost a lot of its power. We need to do the same for "white supremesist".
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Socratic-DM

Say what you all will about digital piracy, it makes for an excellent preservation tool.

Beyond that WOTC can do what it likes at this point, better versions of D&D exist well enough outside their realm.
"When every star in the heavens grows cold, and when silence lies once more on the face of the deep, three things will endure: faith, hope, and love. And the greatest of these is love."

- First Corinthians, chapter thirteen.

GhostNinja

The author of that video's face looks like someone who is a dumb woke idiot.  I posted a comment suggesting people google the OSR and play better games and what the Exec from WOTC said about white people leaving the hobby.  I am sure my post will disappear.
Ghostninja