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5E Core Book Sensitivity and Inclusivity Changes

Started by Katowice, November 18, 2023, 02:38:29 PM

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Grognard GM

#45
November 22, 2023, 10:39:40 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on November 22, 2023, 10:25:00 PMI have a question.

"I love Dark Sun, but I hear a lot of people saying they are harmed by the inclusion of slavery."

How, exactly, are they being harmed by the inclusion of slavery in Dark Sun?  What harm are they suffering?

I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

yosemitemike

#46
November 22, 2023, 10:51:08 PM
That's exactly the kind of vague bullshit I get as a response to this question all right.
"I am certain, however, that nothing has done so much to destroy the juridical safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice."― Friedrich Hayek
Another former RPGnet member permanently banned for calling out the staff there on their abdication of their responsibilities as moderators and admins and their abject surrender to the whims of the shrillest and most self-righteous members of the community.

Rob Necronomicon

#47
November 23, 2023, 03:33:07 AM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley on November 22, 2023, 10:11:09 PM
Hasbro needs to step in and stop the idiocy before it sinks the property. It's obvious that Wizards can't be trusted with it anymore.

Exactly...

Naburimannu

#48
November 23, 2023, 04:49:46 AM
Quote from: Kanyenya on November 22, 2023, 02:48:28 PM
I guess it would be one thing if the game or gaming groups were glorifying slavery, but that's not something I've typically seen myself. It's something that makes people uncomfortable as it should, and it's one of the easiest tropes to drive a motivation or storyline - we need to stop the slavemasters! We need to free these people! etc.

But if you're playing a remotely historical or history-influenced game that isn't Victorian pseudo-Fantasy prom, then the slaveowners aren't necessarily the enemy - they may well be the entrenched culture that the players come from. Vikings? Slaves. Bronze Age or Iron Age, at least in Europe or the Middle East? Probably slaves. Medieval? There were serfs, there were slaves, and sometimes it was hard to tell the difference (https://legalhistorymiscellany.com/2019/08/15/how-to-tell-a-serf-from-a-slave-in-medieval-england/)

BadApple

#49
November 23, 2023, 05:32:56 AM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley on November 22, 2023, 10:11:09 PM
Hasbro needs to step in and stop the idiocy before it sinks the property. It's obvious that Wizards can't be trusted with it anymore.

You mean the same company that produces the feminist Monopoly game?  The same one that made The Barbie Movie?  The one that scrapped Mr. Potatohead because it was sexist?

This Hasbro?
https://csr.hasbro.com/en-us

This Hasbro?
https://investor.hasbro.com/esg

AH HA HA HA HA
>Blade Runner RPG
Terrible idea, overwhelming majority of ttrpg players can't pass Voight-Kampff test.
    - Anonymous

Rob Necronomicon

#50
November 23, 2023, 05:34:58 AM
Quote from: BadApple on November 23, 2023, 05:32:56 AM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley on November 22, 2023, 10:11:09 PM
Hasbro needs to step in and stop the idiocy before it sinks the property. It's obvious that Wizards can't be trusted with it anymore.

You mean the same company that produces the feminist Monopoly game?  The same one that made The Barbie Movie?  The one that scrapped Mr. Potatohead because it was sexist?

This Hasbro?
https://csr.hasbro.com/en-us

This Hasbro?
https://investor.hasbro.com/esg

AH HA HA HA HA

We know Ha$bro are scum.

D&D needs to be in the hands of true fans. Unlike the wet turds in WoTC. But I doubt it will ever happen, sadly.

honeydipperdavid

#51
November 23, 2023, 06:41:12 AM
I just can't wait to see what the fucktards of WotC are going to rename the Barbarian.

-Tribal Warrior: nope has tribe

-Savage: we can't use that term

-Brave: oh hell no

-Viking: too white centric but lets make a gay twink viking subclass

-Primitive Fighter: Perfect,  wait primitive can't do it

-Stone Aged Person who uses Weapons and Uses Emotions to Attack: Perfect, that's the new Barbarians reskin.

Kanyenya

#52
November 23, 2023, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: Naburimannu on November 23, 2023, 04:49:46 AM
Quote from: Kanyenya on November 22, 2023, 02:48:28 PM
I guess it would be one thing if the game or gaming groups were glorifying slavery, but that's not something I've typically seen myself. It's something that makes people uncomfortable as it should, and it's one of the easiest tropes to drive a motivation or storyline - we need to stop the slavemasters! We need to free these people! etc.

But if you're playing a remotely historical or history-influenced game that isn't Victorian pseudo-Fantasy prom, then the slaveowners aren't necessarily the enemy - they may well be the entrenched culture that the players come from. Vikings? Slaves. Bronze Age or Iron Age, at least in Europe or the Middle East? Probably slaves. Medieval? There were serfs, there were slaves, and sometimes it was hard to tell the difference (https://legalhistorymiscellany.com/2019/08/15/how-to-tell-a-serf-from-a-slave-in-medieval-england/)

That's true, I was just considering the typical D&D campaign. But there's no way in hell that these people would even get near anything that featured slavery as something that's a part of a culture regardless of whether it was historically accurate or not (assuming they didn't try to keep it from being published* in the first place). They want to eliminate anything offensive or uncomfortable as if it never existed (insert Santayana's quote...)

*: https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/bcl47f/how_gmts_scramble_for_africa_was_canceled/

1stLevelWizard

#53
November 23, 2023, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on November 22, 2023, 09:48:47 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley on November 22, 2023, 09:45:27 PM
So what we are seeing is the end of D&D. It's not going out with even a whimper.

Isn't that a good thing? Let it burn... And let the ashes be sold to someone that actually gives a shit about the I.P.

Meanwhile, the OSR is doing pretty damn well.

That is something good about D&D and the general RPG hobby: it's a fairly independent sphere. Sure you're gonna have tourists and autocrats trying to crack down on it, but they can't change what you do at your table. It's sorta like the BattleTech scene. They've been trying so hard to push it around, but they can't police every table.

I love D&D, but I stopped caring about official D&D when 4e dropped.
"I live for my dreams and a pocketful of gold"

Rob Necronomicon

#54
November 23, 2023, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on November 23, 2023, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on November 22, 2023, 09:48:47 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley on November 22, 2023, 09:45:27 PM
So what we are seeing is the end of D&D. It's not going out with even a whimper.

Isn't that a good thing? Let it burn... And let the ashes be sold to someone that actually gives a shit about the I.P.

Meanwhile, the OSR is doing pretty damn well.

That is something good about D&D and the general RPG hobby: it's a fairly independent sphere. Sure you're gonna have tourists and autocrats trying to crack down on it, but they can't change what you do at your table. It's sorta like the BattleTech scene. They've been trying so hard to push it around, but they can't police every table.

I love D&D, but I stopped caring about official D&D when 4e dropped.

This man has the gift of common sense.

GhostNinja

#55
November 23, 2023, 06:04:01 PM Last Edit: November 23, 2023, 06:05:39 PM by GhostNinja
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on November 22, 2023, 06:51:56 AM
So words to use at your table and in your RPG publications - a non-exhaustive list.


  • Primitive
    Civilized (Civilised lands)
    Barbarian
    Savage
    Madness
    Insane (Insane with)
    Crazy
    Mad person (Mad Man or Woman)
    Lunatics
    Dim-witted
    Fat
    Slaves
    Guild (WTF?)
    Dark Ritual (DARK WTF?)

So if you are designing a game right now, be sure to use ALL of the above terms and make the snowflakes cry.   ;D
Ghostninja

GhostNinja

#56
November 23, 2023, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on November 23, 2023, 02:04:05 PM
That is something good about D&D and the general RPG hobby: it's a fairly independent sphere. Sure you're gonna have tourists and autocrats trying to crack down on it, but they can't change what you do at your table. It's sorta like the BattleTech scene. They've been trying so hard to push it around, but they can't police every table.

I love Battletech but have been out of the loop for awhile.  What's going on with BattleTech?
Ghostninja

Darrin Kelley

#57
November 23, 2023, 06:17:20 PM
With all of this, they have taken a hatchet to the fantasy genre.

Pray tell? What are people supposed to play now? They have cast virtually every adventure made since the 70's wrong and offensive
 

Philotomy Jurament

#58
November 23, 2023, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on November 23, 2023, 02:04:05 PM
I love D&D, but I stopped caring about official D&D...

This is the way. It's been the way for decades.
The problem is not that power corrupts, but that the corruptible are irresistibly drawn to the pursuit of power. Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito.

1stLevelWizard

#59
November 23, 2023, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on November 23, 2023, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on November 23, 2023, 02:04:05 PM
That is something good about D&D and the general RPG hobby: it's a fairly independent sphere. Sure you're gonna have tourists and autocrats trying to crack down on it, but they can't change what you do at your table. It's sorta like the BattleTech scene. They've been trying so hard to push it around, but they can't police every table.

I love Battletech but have been out of the loop for awhile.  What's going on with BattleTech?

I'll admit I just got into the tabletop wargame last August, and I'm even newer to the RPG for BattleTech. However, it's most of the drama comes from the usual bunch. People complaining about representation where it isn't needed. Hell they released a "Queer Tales of the Inner Sphere" series of stories not long ago.

Honestly, I've been sticking to the older books just to avoid it entirely. I just bought the Tales of the Black Widow Company book.
"I live for my dreams and a pocketful of gold"
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