WOTC changes 4E cleric - forums go bat$hit

[Aos]

My understanding is that if you don't sign a loyalty oath and swear to use the new version, you will be hauled out of your bed in the dead of night by a platoon of male tiefling stripper ninjas and shipped off for medical experiments.
Also, they will sodomize your pets.

[Doom]

Seriously, changing damage from d10 to d8 for Turn Undead. Really??!!

[misterguignol]

My understanding is that if you don't sign a loyalty oath and swear to use the new version, you will be hauled out of your bed in the dead of night by a platoon of male tiefling stripper ninjas and shipped off for medical experiments.
Also, they will sodomize your pets.

Incorrect.  Mike Mearls personally urinates on your loved ones while you watch, helplessly.

(Unless you're into that sort of thing.  In that case, they go with what you said.)

[Cole]

Also, they will sodomize your pets.

That was last year.

[Aos]

Incorrect.  Mike Mearls personally urinates on your loved ones while you watch, helplessly.

No, dude, that was just for Essentials.

[stu2000]

Incorrect.  Mike Mearls personally urinates on your loved ones while you watch, helplessly.

(Unless you're into that sort of thing.  In that case, they go with what you said.)

In all fairness, they had planned to do that before Essentials was released.

[Aos]

Goddamn you Cole.

[J Arcane]

My understanding is that if you don't sign a loyalty oath and swear to use the new version, you will be hauled out of your bed in the dead of night by a platoon of male tiefling stripper ninjas and shipped off for medical experiments.
Also, they will sodomize your pets.

You joke, but WotC automatically updates their character creator and online tools to reflect the rules changes.  

If you're someone who uses such tools, rule changes like this actually are more or less mandatory, especially now that it's all web-based rather than relying on a software update that could potentially be ignored.

Basically, they've finally found a system where the designer really has about as close to an MMO's level of control on the game rules as possible.

[Peregrin]

Great for organized play, mixed-bag for home-campaign play.

[Cole]

You joke, but WotC automatically updates their character creator and online tools to reflect the rules changes.  

If you're someone who uses such tools, rule changes like this actually are more or less mandatory, especially now that it's all web-based rather than relying on a software update that could potentially be ignored.

Basically, they've finally found a system where the designer really has about as close to an MMO's level of control on the game rules as possible.

It is a pain in the ass, I admit.

[Imaginos]

To me, this shows one of the inherent issues with 4E and the constant rewriting of aspects of the game.  If I ran 4E again, I'd just use the books as printed instead of incorporating the separate body of errata (which isn't errata so much as revised playtesting or total rewrite).

[Justin Alexander]

Maybe it's a design objective at WotC to reward "system mastery" by creating a Talmudic corpus of errata which can only be navigated by the hardcore. Have a functional connection between left and right hemispheres? We don't want your damn business!!!

If I was cynical, I'd point out that this sort of errata essentially renders published books obsolete and makes it necessary to subscribe to their digital services if you want to use the "official" or "correct" or "current" version of the rules.

[Bradford C. Walker]

If I was cynical, I'd point out that this sort of errata essentially renders published books obsolete and makes it necessary to subscribe to their digital services if you want to use the "official" or "correct" or "current" version of the rules.

I recommend the cynicism.  WOTC's looking to monetize D&D in ways heretofore unthinkable.  Aping WOW didn't stop with the ruleset, apparently.

[Melan]

This thread is worthless without quotes. Just saying.

[crkrueger]

At this point, is there really any purpose to a 4e rulebook?  Anything you get can be changed at any time.  I guess the monsters stay the same, but all character info is practically useless if you want to "stay current".

BTW, so much for the theory that Essentials wasn't heralding a change to the entire line that would culminate in changes so severe that it would be better described as 4.5e or 5e.