WOTC changes 4E cleric - forums go bat$hit

[AnthonyRoberson]

So, as part of the Essentials overhaul of some of the original 4E classes, WOTC posted the revised version of the Cleric (the Templar) this week - and the official forums went bat$hit! What the hell? Don't the CRPG/MMORPG companies do this all the time to rebalance and clean up things?

I'm even seeing posts that WOTC has 'ruined the game'. Are the idiots shouting that loudly or does the typical 4E D&D fan really have this much 'investment' in the game?

[Aos]

2/10

[misterguignol]

Don't the CRPG/MMORPG companies do this all the time to rebalance and clean up things?

Yep.  And people who play those go batshit in response.

I'm even seeing posts that WOTC has 'ruined the game'. Are the idiots shouting that loudly or does the typical 4E D&D fan really have this much 'investment' in the game?

I'd lean toward "idiots."

[crkrueger]

WoW, that is some Epic butthurt.

[The Butcher]

What are the objective changes? Any links for the Insider-challenged?

Edit: Behold: the full write-up or changes to the PHB only. No subscription necessary.

[Windjammer]

changes to the PHB only.

That is unforgivable. [Edit.] And, as pointed out on the WotC fora, that type of class overhaul puts even the 3.0-->3.5 class revisions in the shade.

[Cranewings]

I would give the Paizo developers a big wet kiss on the lips if they would provide the full spell casters in 3.x Caster Edition with that systemic of a nerf.

[Cole]

Am I missing something here, or did they mostly just adjust the numerical effect of some of the abilities?

[Captain Rufus]

It seems like a total redo of the Cleric to make it like the Essentials versions.  I would have to compare it to the actual Essentials Cleric but that's too much effort for me today.  Last 2 pages of the full PDF list a lot of modifications to the powers though.

[Cranewings]

Am I missing something here, or did they mostly just adjust the numerical effect of some of the abilities?

I don't know 4e, but if you look, every thing they changed where the old number is posted is 1/2 to 2/3 lower. I don't know that the other numbers are actually lower, but considering how much the other ones dropped, I wouldn't be surprised.

[David Johansen]

Don't mind me, I'm just warming the cockles of my heart by WotC's burning bridges.  

[misterguignol]

Am I missing something here, or did they mostly just adjust the numerical effect of some of the abilities?

Nope, you got it right.

[TheShadow]

Maybe it's a design objective at WotC to reward "system mastery" by creating a Talmudic corpus of errata which can only be navigated by the hardcore. Have a functional connection between left and right hemispheres? We don't want your damn business!!!

[Bloody Stupid Johnson]

Maybe it's a design objective at WotC to reward "system mastery" by creating a Talmudic corpus of errata which can only be navigated by the hardcore. Have a functional connection between left and right hemispheres? We don't want your damn business!!!

Bartok the rpg...

[stu2000]

If they're going to go with the Boss Raids/Phat Lootz organized play, specifically driven to reward twinks, they have to make sure everything is exactly right. They won't know you the true elite plays are unless it's exactly right. Quit hassling them--they just want it exactly right!!