Even though they said they wouldn't, a new acquisition makes it pretty obvious that Wizards is definitely going to be adding AI to their Dungeons & Dragons VTT. And maybe: AI Dungeonmasters?
#dnd #ttrpg #osr #onednd #vtt
I did experiment with GPT-assisted module creation earlier this year. The whole process is documented here: [1] (https://vladar.bearblog.dev/chatgpt-dungeon-maps/), [2] (https://vladar.bearblog.dev/castle-of-gpt-stocking-the-dungeon/), [3] (https://vladar.bearblog.dev/castle-of-gpt-conversions/).
In brief, you can train ChatGPT to generate a diagram of random room connections (with a considerable effort) and stock these rooms using random tables (empty, treasure, trap, monsters, etc.). The most useful thing GPT did in my little experiment, is creatively expanded on brief room descriptions I gave it, creating some elaborate traps, and processing blocks of similar rooms, quickly rolling for each room's contents. Not automated generation by any stretch, but an assistant tool useful in some instances for sure. The final result is here (https://vladar.itch.io/castle-of-gpt), converted to a couple of different systems, including Lion & Dragon.
I've also tried using ChatGPT as a DM, and it ran a short impromptu solo module for me quite easily and knew basics 5e rules, which shouldn't be surprising. Can it handle anything more complex, I'm not entirely sure. But a custom purpose-trained model can surely improve the experience.
Quote from: Vladar on August 01, 2023, 06:31:06 AM
I did experiment with GPT-assisted module creation earlier this year. The whole process is documented here: [1] (https://vladar.bearblog.dev/chatgpt-dungeon-maps/), [2] (https://vladar.bearblog.dev/castle-of-gpt-stocking-the-dungeon/), [3] (https://vladar.bearblog.dev/castle-of-gpt-conversions/).
In brief, you can train ChatGPT to generate a diagram of random room connections (with a considerable effort) and stock these rooms using random tables (empty, treasure, trap, monsters, etc.). The most useful thing GPT did in my little experiment, is creatively expanded on brief room descriptions I gave it, creating some elaborate traps, and processing blocks of similar rooms, quickly rolling for each room's contents. Not automated generation by any stretch, but an assistant tool useful in some instances for sure. The final result is here (https://vladar.itch.io/castle-of-gpt), converted to a couple of different systems, including Lion & Dragon.
Isn't that just a faster and more elaborate version of the random generation tables everyone loves so much?
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on August 01, 2023, 08:18:47 AM
Isn't that just a faster and more elaborate version of the random generation tables everyone loves so much?
You can classify it as such. The main benefit is, that with proper prompt, GPT can introduce unexpected and interesting elements not present in the table you trained it on.
Quote from: Vladar on August 01, 2023, 08:23:04 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on August 01, 2023, 08:18:47 AM
Isn't that just a faster and more elaborate version of the random generation tables everyone loves so much?
You can classify it as such. The main benefit is, that with proper prompt, GPT can introduce unexpected and interesting elements not present in the table you trained it on.
Oh yay, we can now have GPT generating homebrew that may or may not be balanced.
The goal is to turn D&D into a microtransaction hellscape. I will have no part in this.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 01, 2023, 09:24:54 AM
The goal is to turn D&D into a microtransaction hellscape. I will have no part in this.
Yeah me either. I want to keep as much technology out of my game as possible.
I run one of my games online so the online game table is a VTT and of course we use discord for chat/video but that is as much as I will allow.
If I am running a game in person, I want books and physical character sheets.
Well of course they are.
And this is why *now* is the time for us to reclaim our hobby. WotC will be vacating the title and bringing all the D&D casuals/brand-nuthuggers with them into a virtual deadend (you think other gaming companies aren't going to use AI? They're *already doing it* - WotC cannot compete in that space).
Time to flood the zone with good games, and lots of GM outreach, so that when WotC comes crawling back, we'll have gained much of the ground they left. But the D&D brand will never die, but we shouldn't give up this opportunity.
Could you perhaps cite your sources for this?
Where are these articles you mention?
Thanks!
Lou Prosperi
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 01, 2023, 12:27:29 AM
Even though they said they wouldn't, a new acquisition makes it pretty obvious that Wizards is definitely going to be adding AI to their Dungeons & Dragons VTT. And maybe: AI Dungeonmasters?
As there is yet no A.I. and probably won't be for over 100 years, at LEAST; trying to make a computer DM will be a huge fail.
Quote from: LouProsperi on August 01, 2023, 03:50:17 PM
Could you perhaps cite your sources for this?
Where are these articles you mention?
Thanks!
Lou Prosperi
He won't but here is one article (WotC has said that they will not but if you trust them that's on you) by Gizmodo:
https://gizmodo.com/hasbro-xplored-dungeons-dragons-ai-mechanics-1850690515 (https://gizmodo.com/hasbro-xplored-dungeons-dragons-ai-mechanics-1850690515)
I'm not particularly worried about the whole AI thing. I am skeptical of any company, game designers or otherwise, who try to force participation in a walled garden.
It seems to me that these corpos are moving towards mobile-based mtx games using their brand name recognition. Replacing the original group-oriented experience with single player mobile crpgs with virtual DMs via algorithms and endless worthless content you must pay for. The end goal is to abandon ttrpgs entirely.
Which I honestly don't mind. The ttrpg marketplace has been strangled by a handful of monopolies for decades and it's high time they left and allowed the indies to finally flourish.
Hopefully, the move to mobile will backfire and bankrupt these companies for good. I don't want to see them come crawling back and then return right back to their previous position of power.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 02, 2023, 12:10:25 PM
It seems to me that these corpos are moving towards mobile-based mtx games using their brand name recognition. Replacing the original group-oriented experience with single player mobile crpgs with virtual DMs via algorithms and endless worthless content you must pay for. The end goal is to abandon ttrpgs entirely.
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If possible, yes.
Wotzi is all in on D&D as a BRAND.
DnD Shorts sources from the OGL fiasco are being proven correct.
"D&D" as a table-top game will be a niche collectors game with "special edition" rulebooks.
Because even as big as it has gotten, D&D as a TTRPG does not give the kind of rate of return that a modern corp like Hasbro demands of its IP.
Getting customers into the walled garden digital space has the potential to be far more lucrative than the TTRPG version of D&D could ever hoped to be.
They will happily shed chunks of their player base if the rest can be induced to move onto the digital content treadmill.
(They just don't want to shed them
right now because they need to expose/flip as much of the current player base as they can to give themselves a big shot in the arm to help them achieve a critical mass network effect on the OneVTT...)
BEHOLD, THE FUTURE:
Quote from: POLYGON LAYS OUT THE FUTURE OF DnDone on August 02, 2023, 12:10:25 PM
https://www.polygon.com/23318302/teburu-digital-board-game-console-preview-gencon-2022
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The jewel in the crown is a new partnership with Paradox Interactive. Soon Teburu will begin creating original games based on the European publisher's World of Darkness properties. Starting with Vampire: The Masquerade, their hope is that the line will expand to both Werewolf: The Apocalypse and Hunter: The Reckoning. The team at Teburu wants the trilogy of games to be connected in some way, with the events of one game flowing naturally into the next.
...
"It will be a game of city management," founder and CEO Garofalo said, "where you are Anarchs willing to rule Milan over the Camarilla. Then we do a Werewolf title, and a Hunter title, but they will be somehow interlaced with each other in a cross-chronicle [way]."
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Rather than turn-based tactical adventures, as in The Bad Karmas, these World of Darkness games will be narratively focused. Think a cooperative role-playing campaign in a box, like Gloomhaven, but with a computer performing the role of the Dungeon Master.
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"Imagine something like Mansions of Madness Second Edition, where you go into a place and you take a card," Garofalo said, name-dropping one of the leading app-assisted board games on the market right now. "Instead of taking a card, we have a whole narrative design — like in a video game — that is based on who you are, what is the moment, what's happening in that moment in the timeline, and so on. The system proposes for you the right narrative event, and it makes you choose between various possible choices. They can be narrative, or investigative, or related to the other characters [in the game with you at that point in time]. So it's not a role-playing game; it's a board game experience — but very narrative."
"...it's not a role-playing game; it's a board game experience — but very narrative."LOL, this poor bastard is ignorant of the long history of railroad RPG modules, and Adventure Path campaigns.
Wotzi is licking the drool from their lips at the possibilities of this with their D&D VTT...
Teburu was clearly acquired as a
proof-of-concept for "AI GM's". Tested and proved in a "Board Game" environment so as not to upset the "RPG" proles...
Maybe it's not ready for prime time right now, but they clearly have a working model... 3-4 years down the line?
I see
"Interactive Adventure Modules" for the Wotzi OneVTT, solo and group, being marketed within five years.
The problem with any CRPG system -- and I include AI-driven campaigns in this -- is that CRPGs simply cannot account for the insane troll logic a group of players may deploy.
And at that point, the system will break.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 02, 2023, 02:04:58 PM
The problem with any CRPG system -- and I include AI-driven campaigns in this -- is that CRPGs simply cannot account for the insane troll logic a group of players may deploy.
And at that point, the system will break.
But this isn't about trying to replicate a "Real" RPG play experience.
So long as the wider player base is used to running through pre-packaged railroad adventures, there really isn't a problem...
And it's not like Wotzi or even TSR haven't turned out their share of those in their time.
Quote from: Jaeger on August 02, 2023, 01:34:10 PM
Wotzi is licking the drool from their lips at the possibilities of this with their D&D VTT...
Teburu was clearly acquired as a proof-of-concept for "AI GM's". Tested and proved in a "Board Game" environment so as not to upset the "RPG" proles...
Maybe it's not ready for prime time right now, but they clearly have a working model... 3-4 years down the line?
I see "Interactive Adventure Modules" for the Wotzi OneVTT, solo and group, being marketed within five years.
Yup. I've played at several "pick-up" tables at local game stores (maybe about a year back). Most of the players had their character sheets on DNDBeyond open on their phone, and rolled with a digital dice roller. The maps were all on Roll20 and visible on a tablet at the center of the table. Digital tools are already ubiquitous. It's not just a matter of Wotzi making them mandatory (and proprietary)...
Quote from: GhostNinja on August 01, 2023, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 01, 2023, 09:24:54 AM
The goal is to turn D&D into a microtransaction hellscape. I will have no part in this.
Yeah me either. I want to keep as much technology out of my game as possible.
I run one of my games online so the online game table is a VTT and of course we use discord for chat/video but that is as much as I will allow.
If I am running a game in person, I want books and physical character sheets.
Me neither, but let's be honest... tabletop studios have been doing this since at least the 90s. They'd release supplemental books (often with power-creep), then follow up with adventure modules that reference content in those supplements. You wouldn't get the "full experience" unless you bought everything. GMs either had to improvise or submit to their FOMO and cough up the cash.
That's essentially the same principle behind modern day microtransactions. You can either grind for hours, days or weeks to upgrade your gear, or buy the better gear now and beat that boss today. Its just trading in effort for instant gratification.
Quote from: Effete on August 02, 2023, 07:55:29 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on August 01, 2023, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 01, 2023, 09:24:54 AM
The goal is to turn D&D into a microtransaction hellscape. I will have no part in this.
Yeah me either. I want to keep as much technology out of my game as possible.
I run one of my games online so the online game table is a VTT and of course we use discord for chat/video but that is as much as I will allow.
If I am running a game in person, I want books and physical character sheets.
Me neither, but let's be honest... tabletop studios have been doing this since at least the 90s. They'd release supplemental books (often with power-creep), then follow up with adventure modules that reference content in those supplements. You wouldn't get the "full experience" unless you bought everything. GMs either had to improvise or submit to their FOMO and cough up the cash.
That's essentially the same principle behind modern day microtransactions. You can either grind for hours, days or weeks to upgrade your gear, or buy the better gear now and beat that boss today. Its just trading in effort for instant gratification.
It turns me off a lot of the OSR stuff. Supplement after supplement of nothing but another variant class.
Wait... that article about Paradox... is WotC planning to be working with Paradox or even using it as an example?
If so...
BWHAHAHAH!!!
Paradox basically drove the World of Darkness into the ground, crapped on it and lit the whole thing on fire. They still haven't gotten their vaporware Bloodlines 2 out the door after years with no sign of life.
WotC even looking Paradox as an example just means this is going to be a five tubs of popcorn dumpster fire.
There's an untapped market for urban fantasy video games that Paradox has consistently failed to appease. The most positive reviews I've seen have been "this game sucks, but you have to buy it anyway to show Paradox your support." Meanwhile, an original game was positively reviewed and one of the points in favor was that it wasn't held back by Paradox's IP.
The main thing a writer needs to understand is that the story needs to stand on its own. You can't rely on brand name recognition as a crutch in a competitive market if the product isn't good.
Of course they are making an AI dungeon master. They would be idiots not to. I mean, they are idiots, but the biggest barrier to casual audiences playing D&D is a competent dungeon master.
Yes, it will suck compared to a human DM, but it will be tremendously better than no DM.
Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 02, 2023, 10:19:46 PM
Of course they are making an AI dungeon master. They would be idiots not to. I mean, they are idiots, but the biggest barrier to casual audiences playing D&D is a competent dungeon master.
Yes, it will suck compared to a human DM, but it will be tremendously better than no DM.
Well, it'll suck less until the AI bans you from the game for wrongthink BigPurple-style.
I can see it now, they'll have some scenario where you'll be expected to protect some child who wants to be a rainbowsparklepony from his "evil" parents... and the AI will dock you points from your in-game social credit store for not doing so or even worse, siding with the parents.
Then your male character turns down a relationship with the bearded tranny "woman" ... there go more points.
Then you try to stop the orcs from burning down the town in the name of racial equity and... BAM! The game logs you out, you can't log back in and get an email saying you're "not a good fit" for the service (but thank you for the $353.87 in in-game purchases you made).
While the examples are extreme, the people in charge of WotC think just like the mentally ill moderators of TBP and their AI and ban policies will be written accordingly.
The people who still give any money to WotC deserve all that they will get from the company.
Quote from: Tod13 on August 02, 2023, 08:26:23 PM
Quote from: Effete on August 02, 2023, 07:55:29 PM
Me neither, but let's be honest... tabletop studios have been doing this since at least the 90s. They'd release supplemental books (often with power-creep), then follow up with adventure modules that reference content in those supplements. You wouldn't get the "full experience" unless you bought everything. GMs either had to improvise or submit to their FOMO and cough up the cash.
That's essentially the same principle behind modern day microtransactions. You can either grind for hours, days or weeks to upgrade your gear, or buy the better gear now and beat that boss today. Its just trading in effort for instant gratification.
It turns me off a lot of the OSR stuff. Supplement after supplement of nothing but another variant class.
Sadly, that model still exists, and it has only gotten worse in the information age. There is no shortage of single-class (one or two page) products for purchase on DTRPG, et al. Each one costing sometimes as much as $3. Tally it up and you will quickly realize you are NOT getting your money's worth. Fifteen dollars for only five classes, when that price-point should get you an entire supplement with lore and a few gear items as well? No, thanks.
People like to complain about the "big guys" ruining the gaming industry, but these predatory practices are also coming from indy developers. DnD might have woke nonsense and poor writing in it's products, but at least you get a full book.
Ha$bro sold eOne for 500 million, to focus in becoming a video game giant...
Video games are a cut throat industry where corpos cannot coast on brand recognition or monopolies. If your product isn't good, then gamers will tear you apart. AAA games are heading for a crash that everyone can see but nobody is doing anything about. Mobile games are a mtx hellscape devoid of quality or artistic value.
If Hasbro doesn't get shredded, then they'll reduce their IPs to bland mtx hellscapes.
If 5e gets canceled and no new D&D books are made, then this is going to turn the tabletop market on its head. D&D has dominated the overwhelming majority of the market for decades. What happens when it suddenly disappears? What will rush to fill the vacuum? Paizo? Or will the market fracture?
I don't have any answers.
Quote from: Chris24601 on August 03, 2023, 08:10:52 AM
Well, it'll suck less until the AI bans you from the game for wrongthink BigPurple-style.
Oh, yeah, I'm not saying I'm for AI DM's. Just that it is inevitable. The blue haired weirdos and their corporate and political allies are going to use AI to enforce correct think in every avenue they can.
Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 03, 2023, 10:09:20 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on August 03, 2023, 08:10:52 AM
Well, it'll suck less until the AI bans you from the game for wrongthink BigPurple-style.
Oh, yeah, I'm not saying I'm for AI DM's. Just that it is inevitable. The blue haired weirdos and their corporate and political allies are going to use AI to enforce correct think in every avenue they can.
Which is why I much prefer paper and pen* at the gaming table. They have no opinions to foist on me.
* my dice, on the other hand, are as opinionated as frak!
Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 03, 2023, 10:09:20 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on August 03, 2023, 08:10:52 AM
Well, it'll suck less until the AI bans you from the game for wrongthink BigPurple-style.
Oh, yeah, I'm not saying I'm for AI DM's. Just that it is inevitable. The blue haired weirdos and their corporate and political allies are going to use AI to enforce correct think in every avenue they can.
Not only inevitable, but desirable. At least for the business model WotC seems to be going for.
Don't get me wrong, I think they're heading for disaster with their OneVTT, but from an objective viewpoint, the only sustainable way to retain a consistent player base is to automate the role of the DM. Otherwise they're going to need people on full-time rotation 24-7 just running games. The turnover rate would be emormous due to burnout. It's absurd to even fathom how they thought this would work without automation.
It's been said a hundred times already, but OneVTT will essentially become a glorified video game. The AI-DM would have a lot more freedom (at least within the constraints of its learning parameters) versus the scripted nature of an actual video game, but it will still be predictable and, thus, exploitable.
I'm also willing to bet there will be a virtual version of X cards that would flag a game for manual review, putting a stop to everyone's fun worse than they do at a live table. Sounds great! I'll be watching from over there.
Looks like it's already happening:
https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456 (https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456)
Quote from: Rhymer88 on August 05, 2023, 06:04:34 AM
Looks like it's already happening:
https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456 (https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456)
And a particularly bad one. The belt and buckles make no sense, as is typical with AI. A quick search for the artist shows he doesn't have the skills to paint that on his own. wotC will be all AI art, except for a few major marketing illustrations, within a year.
Flaws with the AI generated artwork are almost invariably because the prompter has a poor workflow. Contrary to popular suspicion, AI art is a touch more complex than bashing in "female elf barbarian in harsh lighting, Studio Ghibli" and it producing a usable artwork. A good AI generation workflow typically involves refining a prompt that's about 150 tokens long, generating about 20-30 images with that prompt, then taking 2-3 of the best images and using inpainting, outpainting, and Image to Image refining. Extra buckles are because the prompter didn't use inpainting to erase the extra buckles and tell the AI to try that section again.
So...who is surprised that WotC is cheaping out on the AI model and prompter training? Not me. WotC knows their magic cards can trade for $200, but they still make them out of cardboard that comes out of the pack curled.
I can understand using AI art as a placeholder if you can't afford a human artist, but these companies have plenty of money and bargaining power. If companies are treating AI as badly as they treat human artists, then they'll burn out AI just like they burned out human artists. They don't care one bot about quality!
Quote from: Rhymer88 on August 05, 2023, 06:04:34 AM
Looks like it's already happening:
https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456 (https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456)
What horrible crap. See how the head and torso are too small
Quote from: Rhymer88 on August 05, 2023, 06:04:34 AM
Looks like it's already happening:
https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456 (https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456)
No reason to be concerned...
"Technology never brings out negative societal changes, and those that don't want them are poor fools to be spat on and scorned." - GeekyBugle
"All the doom and gloom is coming from the big guys, because they know these tools will allow people without a budget to compete with them, it's only F.U.D." - GeekyBugle
Anyone who's been praising the use of AI and anyone with concerns over its use might have negative effects in that other thread should have nothing but praise for WotC making this move. They're visionaries for jumping into the field early and squeezing every last cent of profit out of their IPs by cutting out flesh and blood artists.
I, on the other hand, am free to say without hypocrisy that this is a shit move by a shit company and anyone who views this as a good thing is embracing a frankly soulless ideology.
Quote from: Chris24601 on August 05, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
I, on the other hand, am free to say without hypocrisy that this is a shit move by a shit company and anyone who views this as a good thing is embracing a frankly soulless ideology.
And I'll reply, It matters not what the few of us here feel as the Market is ALWAYS Right. Because the market is the sum of all votes by producers and consumers. A most democratic system.
Quote from: Chris24601 on August 05, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
Anyone who's been praising the use of AI and anyone with concerns over its use might have negative effects in that other thread should have nothing but praise for WotC making this move. They're visionaries for jumping into the field early and squeezing every last cent of profit out of their IPs by cutting out flesh and blood artists.
I, on the other hand, am free to say without hypocrisy that this is a shit move by a shit company and anyone who views this as a good thing is embracing a frankly soulless ideology.
And history may very well prove you right, but I'd remind you that people also mocked the Model-T, saying a horse was still faster. This technology is still in it's infancy, and people are still learning how to effectively use it. If a baby stumbles and falls while trying to stand, do you assume it will never learn to walk?
Quote from: Chris24601 on August 05, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: Rhymer88 on August 05, 2023, 06:04:34 AM
Looks like it's already happening:
https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456 (https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456)
No reason to be concerned...
"Technology never brings out negative societal changes, and those that don't want them are poor fools to be spat on and scorned." - GeekyBugle
"All the doom and gloom is coming from the big guys, because they know these tools will allow people without a budget to compete with them, it's only F.U.D." - GeekyBugle
Anyone who's been praising the use of AI and anyone with concerns over its use might have negative effects in that other thread should have nothing but praise for WotC making this move. They're visionaries for jumping into the field early and squeezing every last cent of profit out of their IPs by cutting out flesh and blood artists.
I, on the other hand, am free to say without hypocrisy that this is a shit move by a shit company and anyone who views this as a good thing is embracing a frankly soulless ideology.
So you are fine with quoting fabricated quotes about me? Without bothering to read what I have wrote none the less. (Hint, I haven't denied EVER that tech might have deletereous effects)
Then you quote an authentic one, why? to make believe that I really said that other stuff? (And I'm sure me calling you out for being a lying TWAT will be misscharacterized by you as me "lashing out")
For you to be able to call me a hypocrite you'd need to find me calling out for banning AI GMs, can you?
No, you can't, but for some reason you have a stick up your ass and a hardon for me lately, I don't swing that way dude, even if you were a lying twat of the female persuassion I'm happily married so you'd still be out of luck.
But you do you boo, do carry on being a disingenuous lying twat I'm done with your cunty ass.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 12:17:51 PM
So you are fine with quoting fabricated quotes about me? Without bothering to read what I have wrote none the less.
Only the finest straw is used in our Straw Men.
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on August 05, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: Rhymer88 on August 05, 2023, 06:04:34 AM
Looks like it's already happening:
https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456 (https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456)
No reason to be concerned...
"Technology never brings out negative societal changes, and those that don't want them are poor fools to be spat on and scorned." - GeekyBugle
"All the doom and gloom is coming from the big guys, because they know these tools will allow people without a budget to compete with them, it's only F.U.D." - GeekyBugle
Anyone who's been praising the use of AI and anyone with concerns over its use might have negative effects in that other thread should have nothing but praise for WotC making this move. They're visionaries for jumping into the field early and squeezing every last cent of profit out of their IPs by cutting out flesh and blood artists.
I, on the other hand, am free to say without hypocrisy that this is a shit move by a shit company and anyone who views this as a good thing is embracing a frankly soulless ideology.
So you are fine with quoting fabricated quotes about me? Without bothering to read what I have wrote none the less. (Hint, I haven't denied EVER that tech might have deletereous effects)
Then you quote an authentic one, why? to make believe that I really said that other stuff? (And I'm sure me calling you out for being a lying TWAT will be misscharacterized by you as me "lashing out")
For you to be able to call me a hypocrite you'd need to find me calling out for banning AI GMs, can you?
No, you can't, but for some reason you have a stick up your ass and a hardon for me lately, I don't swing that way dude, even if you were a lying twat of the female persuassion I'm happily married so you'd still be out of luck.
But you do you boo, do carry on being a disingenuous lying twat I'm done with your cunty ass.
For the bolded, I apologize, I pulled it from a quote attributed to you in another post without realizing the quote itself had been altered.
I didn't do enough due diligence on the quote in question and that is entirely on me.
Quote from: Chris24601 on August 05, 2023, 12:36:05 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on August 05, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: Rhymer88 on August 05, 2023, 06:04:34 AM
Looks like it's already happening:
https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456 (https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456)
No reason to be concerned...
"Technology never brings out negative societal changes, and those that don't want them are poor fools to be spat on and scorned." - GeekyBugle
"All the doom and gloom is coming from the big guys, because they know these tools will allow people without a budget to compete with them, it's only F.U.D." - GeekyBugle
Anyone who's been praising the use of AI and anyone with concerns over its use might have negative effects in that other thread should have nothing but praise for WotC making this move. They're visionaries for jumping into the field early and squeezing every last cent of profit out of their IPs by cutting out flesh and blood artists.
I, on the other hand, am free to say without hypocrisy that this is a shit move by a shit company and anyone who views this as a good thing is embracing a frankly soulless ideology.
So you are fine with quoting fabricated quotes about me? Without bothering to read what I have wrote none the less. (Hint, I haven't denied EVER that tech might have deletereous effects)
Then you quote an authentic one, why? to make believe that I really said that other stuff? (And I'm sure me calling you out for being a lying TWAT will be misscharacterized by you as me "lashing out")
For you to be able to call me a hypocrite you'd need to find me calling out for banning AI GMs, can you?
No, you can't, but for some reason you have a stick up your ass and a hardon for me lately, I don't swing that way dude, even if you were a lying twat of the female persuassion I'm happily married so you'd still be out of luck.
But you do you boo, do carry on being a disingenuous lying twat I'm done with your cunty ass.
For the bolded, I apologize, I pulled it from a quote attributed to you in another post without realizing the quote itself had been altered.
I didn't do enough due diligence on the quote in question and that is entirely on me.
But you still think I'm a hypocrite for saying that the "AI" isn't yet at the state where it can replace a human GM. Equating that with me calling for the opposite ergo I should be in favor of banning all other "AIs"...
To the ignore list you go, I'm done with your disingenuous, lying and cunty ass. Feel free to keep on lying about me and saying me calling your cunty ass for lying is me "lashing out". TWAT.
AI is a tool. Tools are only as good as their user. WotC is a shitty user.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 01:22:19 PM
To the ignore list you go, I'm done with your disingenuous, lying and cunty ass. Feel free to keep on lying about me and saying me calling your cunty ass for lying is me "lashing out". TWAT.
I couldn't find the ignore function on this board.
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 01:22:19 PM
To the ignore list you go, I'm done with your disingenuous, lying and cunty ass. Feel free to keep on lying about me and saying me calling your cunty ass for lying is me "lashing out". TWAT.
I couldn't find the ignore function on this board.
It exists in Geeky's head... like so much of what he spouts.
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 01:22:19 PM
To the ignore list you go, I'm done with your disingenuous, lying and cunty ass. Feel free to keep on lying about me and saying me calling your cunty ass for lying is me "lashing out". TWAT.
I couldn't find the ignore function on this board.
I know Simple Machines board s/w has the function but looks to not be enabled here.
It exists in Geeky's head... like so much of what he spouts.
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 04:36:36 PM
I know Simple Machines board s/w has the function but looks to not be enabled here.
Yeah, I don't know. I've never actually used the feature anywhere, since I'm not afraid to hear opinions I disagree with.
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 04:42:23 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 04:36:36 PM
I know Simple Machines board s/w has the function but looks to not be enabled here.
Yeah, I don't know. I've never actually used the feature anywhere, since I'm not afraid to hear opinions I disagree with.
I remember a time when it was the SJWs who proudly blocked everyone. I'm certain there are no parallels here, though.
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 01:22:19 PM
To the ignore list you go, I'm done with your disingenuous, lying and cunty ass. Feel free to keep on lying about me and saying me calling your cunty ass for lying is me "lashing out". TWAT.
I couldn't find the ignore function on this board.
Profile -> Account Settings -> "Modify Profile" on the left-hand side.
Quote from: VisionStorm on August 05, 2023, 04:45:47 PM
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 04:42:23 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 04:36:36 PM
I know Simple Machines board s/w has the function but looks to not be enabled here.
Yeah, I don't know. I've never actually used the feature anywhere, since I'm not afraid to hear opinions I disagree with.
I remember a time when it was the SJWs who proudly blocked everyone. I'm certain there are no parallels here, though.
I've been lurking on this site long enough to know that there are a lot of things Geeky has said that I agree with, and I know he gets heated, but man...! His last few posts were crazy!
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on August 05, 2023, 12:36:05 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on August 05, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: Rhymer88 on August 05, 2023, 06:04:34 AM
Looks like it's already happening:
https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456 (https://twitter.com/roguecaliber/status/1687668302204563456)
No reason to be concerned...
"Technology never brings out negative societal changes, and those that don't want them are poor fools to be spat on and scorned." - GeekyBugle
"All the doom and gloom is coming from the big guys, because they know these tools will allow people without a budget to compete with them, it's only F.U.D." - GeekyBugle
Anyone who's been praising the use of AI and anyone with concerns over its use might have negative effects in that other thread should have nothing but praise for WotC making this move. They're visionaries for jumping into the field early and squeezing every last cent of profit out of their IPs by cutting out flesh and blood artists.
I, on the other hand, am free to say without hypocrisy that this is a shit move by a shit company and anyone who views this as a good thing is embracing a frankly soulless ideology.
So you are fine with quoting fabricated quotes about me? Without bothering to read what I have wrote none the less. (Hint, I haven't denied EVER that tech might have deletereous effects)
Then you quote an authentic one, why? to make believe that I really said that other stuff? (And I'm sure me calling you out for being a lying TWAT will be misscharacterized by you as me "lashing out")
For you to be able to call me a hypocrite you'd need to find me calling out for banning AI GMs, can you?
No, you can't, but for some reason you have a stick up your ass and a hardon for me lately, I don't swing that way dude, even if you were a lying twat of the female persuassion I'm happily married so you'd still be out of luck.
But you do you boo, do carry on being a disingenuous lying twat I'm done with your cunty ass.
For the bolded, I apologize, I pulled it from a quote attributed to you in another post without realizing the quote itself had been altered.
I didn't do enough due diligence on the quote in question and that is entirely on me.
But you still think I'm a hypocrite for saying that the "AI" isn't yet at the state where it can replace a human GM. Equating that with me calling for the opposite ergo I should be in favor of banning all other "AIs"...
To the ignore list you go, I'm done with your disingenuous, lying and cunty ass. Feel free to keep on lying about me and saying me calling your cunty ass for lying is me "lashing out". TWAT.
When did I ever speak to using AI as a GM? I agree that AI replacing a GM isn't ready for primetime.
However, I was referring to the use of AI Art in D&D products and how, if you believe its a good thing for small publishers to use it, its just as good for the big boys to use it (and that I'm not of fan of either using it... mainly because it isn't ready for primetime either).
I'm sorry you're so angry about everything all the time.
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 05:05:06 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on August 05, 2023, 04:45:47 PM
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 04:42:23 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 04:36:36 PM
I know Simple Machines board s/w has the function but looks to not be enabled here.
Yeah, I don't know. I've never actually used the feature anywhere, since I'm not afraid to hear opinions I disagree with.
I remember a time when it was the SJWs who proudly blocked everyone. I'm certain there are no parallels here, though.
I've been lurking on this site long enough to know that there are a lot of things Geeky has said that I agree with, and I know he gets heated, but man...! His last few posts were crazy!
Social media (including online forums) is poison. Facebook did an Emotional Contagion experiment years ago that proved that people could be mentally manipulated through social networks. And while the effects of this are more readily apparent in SJWs NO ONE is immune and pretty much everyone who engages in social networks is exposed to these effects, even if the stories they share are presumably about valid concerns.
If all you do is lock yourself in a digital room all day long to yell that the sky is falling eventually your mind will be fucked too, even if the sky really is falling. And here, everyone is locked in a digital room with an insular community that mostly thinks the same way, and most of the few dissenting voices are lunatics with garbage arguments over at Pundit's Forum with full on 24/7 political discussions that go absolutely nowhere. But regular posters here can just pat themselves on the back at the end of the day about how right they are, while ignoring the psychological damage that they're doing to themselves by engaging with this type of content excessively.
People here are pushing their brains through a digital grinder.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1320040111
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 04:42:23 PM
Yeah, I don't know. I've never actually used the feature anywhere, since I'm not afraid to hear opinions I disagree with.
Nuthin' to do with blocking out opinions. (odd that you would think that) It is about blocking trolls only.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on August 05, 2023, 04:49:04 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 01:22:19 PM
To the ignore list you go, I'm done with your disingenuous, lying and cunty ass. Feel free to keep on lying about me and saying me calling your cunty ass for lying is me "lashing out". TWAT.
I couldn't find the ignore function on this board.
Profile -> Account Settings -> "Modify Profile" on the left-hand side.
Thanks
Quote from: VisionStorm on August 05, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
Social media (including online forums) is poison. Facebook did an Emotional Contagion experiment years ago that proved that people could be mentally manipulated through social networks. And while the effects of this are more readily apparent in SJWs NO ONE is immune and pretty much everyone who engages in social networks is exposed to these effects, even if the stories they share are presumably about valid concerns.
If all you do is lock yourself in a digital room all day long to yell that the sky is falling eventually your mind will be fucked too, even if the sky really is falling. And here, everyone is locked in a digital room with an insular community that mostly thinks the same way, and most of the few dissenting voices are lunatics with garbage arguments over at Pundit's Forum with full on 24/7 political discussions that go absolutely nowhere. But regular posters here can just pat themselves on the back at the end of the day about how right they are, while ignoring the psychological damage that they're doing to themselves by engaging with this type of content excessively.
People here are pushing their brains through a digital grinder.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1320040111
Oh, I agree! There's a reason I'm not very active on this site. I'll pop on every once in a while to read the latest topics, but avoid engaging in lot of these discussions /debates. The "free speech" nature of the site means that, invariably, someone is going to spin politics into a topic, and things just spiral from there.
I think, over all, social media is a net good, but like anything in life, too much of it can hurt you.
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 06:19:22 PM
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 04:42:23 PM
Yeah, I don't know. I've never actually used the feature anywhere, since I'm not afraid to hear opinions I disagree with.
Nuthin' to do with blocking out opinions. (odd that you would think that) It is about blocking trolls only.
My apologies. That comment wasn't aimed at you. I can see how you may have thought it was, though. Sorry!
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 06:26:26 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 06:19:22 PM
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 04:42:23 PM
Yeah, I don't know. I've never actually used the feature anywhere, since I'm not afraid to hear opinions I disagree with.
Nuthin' to do with blocking out opinions. (odd that you would think that) It is about blocking trolls only.
My apologies. That comment wasn't aimed at you. I can see how you may have thought it was, though. Sorry!
Da nada. Limitations of written only
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 06:27:53 PM
Da nada. Limitations of written only
Indeed! :D
Thank you!
Quote from: VisionStorm on August 05, 2023, 04:45:47 PM
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 04:42:23 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 04:36:36 PM
I know Simple Machines board s/w has the function but looks to not be enabled here.
Yeah, I don't know. I've never actually used the feature anywhere, since I'm not afraid to hear opinions I disagree with.
I remember a time when it was the SJWs who proudly blocked everyone. I'm certain there are no parallels here, though.
By your "logic" I should have "blocked" Jhkim a long time ago, and others that are also leftwing. Maybe you're reaching so much you're already tickling your brain.
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 01:22:19 PM
To the ignore list you go, I'm done with your disingenuous, lying and cunty ass. Feel free to keep on lying about me and saying me calling your cunty ass for lying is me "lashing out". TWAT.
I couldn't find the ignore function on this board.
It exists in Geeky's head... like so much of what he spouts.
Except it does exist, your ignorance doesn't change reality. But I guess I also "imagined" you being an ignorant twat.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 09:02:15 PM
Quote from: Effete on August 05, 2023, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 05, 2023, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 01:22:19 PM
To the ignore list you go, I'm done with your disingenuous, lying and cunty ass. Feel free to keep on lying about me and saying me calling your cunty ass for lying is me "lashing out". TWAT.
I couldn't find the ignore function on this board.
It exists in Geeky's head... like so much of what he spouts.
Except it does exist, your ignorance doesn't change reality. But I guess I also "imagined" you being an ignorant twat.
That was my attempt at a joke. It was rude and mean-spirited, and I'm sorry.
But now I have a serious question to ask you, Geeky.
Over the last two days, I've seen you accuse at least four different people of maliciously lying about you. Do you think there's a possibility that maybe not everyone is conspiring to attack you? Do you think maybe the reason you believe they're lying is because you've been less than charitable in trying to understand what they're saying? Because I can objectively tell you, from the instances I've seen, you have misinterpreted what people said and spun it off into random tangents.
Honestly, and I really truly do mean this, I think you might need to take some time to clear your head. Get off the internet. Take a walk in nature. Find something cathartic to do. Because you seem to be unwell.
It appears that WOTC are already using AI as part of the process for some artwork:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boVjMb8Fcgw
Quote from: Krazz on August 06, 2023, 05:06:59 PM
It appears that WOTC are already using AI as part of the process for some artwork:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boVjMb8Fcgw
They apologized:
https://twitter.com/DnDBeyond/status/1687969469170094083
Of course one wonders if they apologized for a genuine oversight, or apologizing because they got caught. Though I don't know how any semi-competent art director wouldn't notice this obvious example of AI. I've seen AI that is far more convincing.
Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 07, 2023, 04:21:10 AM
Quote from: Krazz on August 06, 2023, 05:06:59 PM
It appears that WOTC are already using AI as part of the process for some artwork:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boVjMb8Fcgw
They apologized:
https://twitter.com/DnDBeyond/status/1687969469170094083
Of course one wonders if they apologized for a genuine oversight, or apologizing because they got caught. Though I don't know how any semi-competent art director wouldn't notice this obvious example of AI. I've seen AI that is far more convincing.
I know where I'd put my money.
In any case, I have seen some hair-raising AI output (in fact, there's an AI-generated influencer, 'Milla Sofia' generating some controversy since, y'know, she's not real). For now, things are at the vacuum tube stage -- but who knows what will happen five years down the road?