After this accusation, it's clear the Woke have obviously run out of things to claim we gamers oppress...
#dnd #ttrpg #osr
can't you just tell us, so we are not force to watch some youtuber?
Quote from: Summon666 on May 05, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
can't you just tell us, so we are not force to watch some youtuber?
The youtuber is him but yes, I agree. I wish he would just tell us.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: Summon666 on May 05, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
can't you just tell us, so we are not force to watch some youtuber?
The youtuber is him but yes, I agree. I wish he would just tell us.
Imagine running a free forum and having your users bitch about your content delivery format and wanting to make a few bucks from a video.
Who knew I was not welcome in the hobby! Somebody should have informed me sooner, not nice guys!
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 05, 2023, 11:14:45 AM
Imagine running a free forum and having your users bitch about your content delivery format and wanting to make a few bucks from a video.
No, this is about the RPG Pundit trying to get more views on his Youtube page.
That's fine, if he wants to post a video instead of a thread where he talks about a subject, I guess I just won't engage.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 11:21:09 AM
Who knew I was not welcome in the hobby! Somebody should have informed me sooner, not nice guys!
I guess I am not either. Having a not friendly tone is not a good way to keep people coming back to a forum.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 05, 2023, 11:14:45 AM
Imagine running a free forum and having your users bitch about your content delivery format and wanting to make a few bucks from a video.
No, this is about the RPG Pundit trying to get more views on his Youtube page.
That's fine, if he wants to post a video instead of a thread where he talks about a subject, I guess I just won't engage.
Wait a few days and someone who watches the video will reply, and you can usually get the gist of it.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 11:21:09 AM
Who knew I was not welcome in the hobby! Somebody should have informed me sooner, not nice guys!
I guess I am not either. Having a not friendly tone is not a good way to keep people coming back to a forum.
Not sure why you're answering this to me, I'm mocking the idiots who claimed TTRPG players were prejudiced against people like me.
Quote from: Jason Coplen on May 05, 2023, 02:26:25 PM
Wait a few days and someone who watches the video will reply, and you can usually get the gist of it.
Good point. Thank You
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 02:33:23 PM
Not sure why you're answering this to me, I'm mocking the idiots who claimed TTRPG players were prejudiced against people like me.
Misunderstood your post. Sorry about that.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: Jason Coplen on May 05, 2023, 02:26:25 PM
Wait a few days and someone who watches the video will reply, and you can usually get the gist of it.
Good point. Thank You
Woke publication Wired > RPGers are prejudiced against "neurodivergent" people. Because reasons.
Pundit > "Will you look at the idiots!"
Me > ROTFLMAO!
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
Woke publication Wired > RPGers are prejudiced against "neurodivergent" people. Because reasons.
Pundit > "Will you look at the idiots!"
Me > ROTFLMAO!
None of which is true so Wired is just making stuff up? Great.
Why dont they go back to talking about computer topics and leave the rest to other people more competent to talk about them?
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
Woke publication Wired > RPGers are prejudiced against "neurodivergent" people. Because reasons.
Pundit > "Will you look at the idiots!"
Me > ROTFLMAO!
None of which is true so Wired is just making stuff up? Great.
Why dont they go back to talking about computer topics and leave the rest to other people more competent to talk about them?
I think this is the article which Pundit is talking about. It's on Wired from May 2, by Laurence Russell.
https://www.wired.com/story/neurodivergent-gamers-tabletop-rpgs/
It starts:
Quote from: Laurence RussellTHE TABLETOP GAMING community offers a place for communication and togetherness that can be incredibly rare in modern culture. It's a privilege that nerds have gotten better at sharing in recent years, particularly with those who need community most.
Dr. Elizabeth Kilmer is a clinical psychologist who uses tabletop role-playing games (TTRPGs) in therapy, and she herself was diagnosed with ADHD. "Narrative and metaphor have been used in therapy, healing, and educational practices for a long time," she explains. "You can see examples in folk tales, parables, and other oral traditions. TTRPGs can be a powerful tool because they are so interactive, and they allow us to be vulnerable through our character, while protecting ourselves."
"At the role-playing table, we can pretend to be braver than we feel in real life," agrees Jacob Wood, founder of the Accessible Games Blog and a longtime blind TTRPG player and GM. "Through fantasy, I learned to be comfortable talking to groups of other people, even if I didn't know them very well. Without these chances to express myself, I'd still be hiding away in my house on my own."
Understanding the Problem
As experts who have brought tabletop gaming to disabled and neurodiverse people for years, and part of the community themselves, people like Wood and Kilmer have created accommodations for people who haven't always been able to participate.
"Communication is hard," Kilmer reminds us. "Passive and indirect communication strategies can be particularly challenging for neurodivergent individuals (and isn't great for neurotypicals either). This can contribute to the stigma that autistic and ADHD players shouldn't or can't play TTPRGs."
It reads to me that TTRPGs are generally positive for neurodivergent people, but that things could be better with more accommodation.
Quote from: jhkim on May 05, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
Woke publication Wired > RPGers are prejudiced against "neurodivergent" people. Because reasons.
Pundit > "Will you look at the idiots!"
Me > ROTFLMAO!
None of which is true so Wired is just making stuff up? Great.
Why dont they go back to talking about computer topics and leave the rest to other people more competent to talk about them?
I think this is the article which Pundit is talking about. It's on Wired from May 2, by Laurence Russell.
https://www.wired.com/story/neurodivergent-gamers-tabletop-rpgs/
It starts:
Quote from: Laurence RussellTHE TABLETOP GAMING community offers a place for communication and togetherness that can be incredibly rare in modern culture. It's a privilege that nerds have gotten better at sharing in recent years, particularly with those who need community most.
Dr. Elizabeth Kilmer is a clinical psychologist who uses tabletop role-playing games (TTRPGs) in therapy, and she herself was diagnosed with ADHD. "Narrative and metaphor have been used in therapy, healing, and educational practices for a long time," she explains. "You can see examples in folk tales, parables, and other oral traditions. TTRPGs can be a powerful tool because they are so interactive, and they allow us to be vulnerable through our character, while protecting ourselves."
"At the role-playing table, we can pretend to be braver than we feel in real life," agrees Jacob Wood, founder of the Accessible Games Blog and a longtime blind TTRPG player and GM. "Through fantasy, I learned to be comfortable talking to groups of other people, even if I didn't know them very well. Without these chances to express myself, I'd still be hiding away in my house on my own."
Understanding the Problem
As experts who have brought tabletop gaming to disabled and neurodiverse people for years, and part of the community themselves, people like Wood and Kilmer have created accommodations for people who haven't always been able to participate.
"Communication is hard," Kilmer reminds us. "Passive and indirect communication strategies can be particularly challenging for neurodivergent individuals (and isn't great for neurotypicals either). This can contribute to the stigma that autistic and ADHD players shouldn't or can't play TTPRGs."
It reads to me that TTRPGs are generally positive for neurodivergent people, but that things could be better with more accommodation.
I'm for any reasonable accommodation that doesn't inconvenience or make people uncomfortable. Sadly we live in a age where if 30 people are enjoying something in silence, and one person is incapable of not having shrieking fits, the 30 people must 'accommodate' that person.
I feel there is a certain range of acceptable behavior at a table, and if someone can't operate within it, they can find a special game with other such individuals, or maybe the hobby legitimately isn't for them. I know I'm probably istaphobic to say so, but gaming is relaxation, not a job.
PS - The therapist sounds like a Storygamer.
Quote from: jhkim on May 05, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
Woke publication Wired > RPGers are prejudiced against "neurodivergent" people. Because reasons.
Pundit > "Will you look at the idiots!"
Me > ROTFLMAO!
None of which is true so Wired is just making stuff up? Great.
Why dont they go back to talking about computer topics and leave the rest to other people more competent to talk about them?
I think this is the article which Pundit is talking about. It's on Wired from May 2, by Laurence Russell.
https://www.wired.com/story/neurodivergent-gamers-tabletop-rpgs/
It starts:
Quote from: Laurence RussellTHE TABLETOP GAMING community offers a place for communication and togetherness that can be incredibly rare in modern culture. It's a privilege that nerds have gotten better at sharing in recent years, particularly with those who need community most.
Dr. Elizabeth Kilmer is a clinical psychologist who uses tabletop role-playing games (TTRPGs) in therapy, and she herself was diagnosed with ADHD. "Narrative and metaphor have been used in therapy, healing, and educational practices for a long time," she explains. "You can see examples in folk tales, parables, and other oral traditions. TTRPGs can be a powerful tool because they are so interactive, and they allow us to be vulnerable through our character, while protecting ourselves."
"At the role-playing table, we can pretend to be braver than we feel in real life," agrees Jacob Wood, founder of the Accessible Games Blog and a longtime blind TTRPG player and GM. "Through fantasy, I learned to be comfortable talking to groups of other people, even if I didn't know them very well. Without these chances to express myself, I'd still be hiding away in my house on my own."
Understanding the Problem
As experts who have brought tabletop gaming to disabled and neurodiverse people for years, and part of the community themselves, people like Wood and Kilmer have created accommodations for people who haven't always been able to participate.
"Communication is hard," Kilmer reminds us. "Passive and indirect communication strategies can be particularly challenging for neurodivergent individuals (and isn't great for neurotypicals either). This can contribute to the stigma that autistic and ADHD players shouldn't or can't play TTPRGs."
It reads to me that TTRPGs are generally positive for neurodivergent people, but that things could be better with more accommodation.
And what kind of accommodation would that be?
We've been handling disabled players for a while. Larger dice and sheets, making sure there's room at the table for the player in a wheel chair, etc.
So I'm curious as to what kind of accommodation would be necessary.
But you know, I have a suspicion. Might be unwarranted, I'll grant that. But I wonder if the issue is some fuckwit wrapped themselves in the 'neurodivergent' blanket and cried because they got kicked out of groups for being stupid/disruptive/creepy.
Quote from: jhkim on May 05, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
Woke publication Wired > RPGers are prejudiced against "neurodivergent" people. Because reasons.
Pundit > "Will you look at the idiots!"
Me > ROTFLMAO!
None of which is true so Wired is just making stuff up? Great.
Why dont they go back to talking about computer topics and leave the rest to other people more competent to talk about them?
I think this is the article which Pundit is talking about. It's on Wired from May 2, by Laurence Russell.
https://www.wired.com/story/neurodivergent-gamers-tabletop-rpgs/
It starts:
Quote from: Laurence RussellTHE TABLETOP GAMING community offers a place for communication and togetherness that can be incredibly rare in modern culture. It's a privilege that nerds have gotten better at sharing in recent years, particularly with those who need community most.
Dr. Elizabeth Kilmer is a clinical psychologist who uses tabletop role-playing games (TTRPGs) in therapy, and she herself was diagnosed with ADHD. "Narrative and metaphor have been used in therapy, healing, and educational practices for a long time," she explains. "You can see examples in folk tales, parables, and other oral traditions. TTRPGs can be a powerful tool because they are so interactive, and they allow us to be vulnerable through our character, while protecting ourselves."
"At the role-playing table, we can pretend to be braver than we feel in real life," agrees Jacob Wood, founder of the Accessible Games Blog and a longtime blind TTRPG player and GM. "Through fantasy, I learned to be comfortable talking to groups of other people, even if I didn't know them very well. Without these chances to express myself, I'd still be hiding away in my house on my own."
Understanding the Problem
As experts who have brought tabletop gaming to disabled and neurodiverse people for years, and part of the community themselves, people like Wood and Kilmer have created accommodations for people who haven't always been able to participate.
"Communication is hard," Kilmer reminds us. "Passive and indirect communication strategies can be particularly challenging for neurodivergent individuals (and isn't great for neurotypicals either). This can contribute to the stigma that autistic and ADHD players shouldn't or can't play TTPRGs."
It reads to me that TTRPGs are generally positive for neurodivergent people, but that things could be better with more accommodation.
Bolding mine
What stigma?
In my current campaign we have me (aspie) and another player that'0s either also an aspie of has some ADHD, nobody ever asked if we were all neurotypical or said that aspies aren't welcome or can't play.
IME, as long as you can function well enough at the table nobody fucking cares about you being an aspie.
But, like Grognard GM says, if you can't stop screeching then sorry, you need special caregivers and I'm not trained nor did I came to the table to look after you.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 05, 2023, 08:22:28 PM
Quote from: jhkim on May 05, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
Woke publication Wired > RPGers are prejudiced against "neurodivergent" people. Because reasons.
Pundit > "Will you look at the idiots!"
Me > ROTFLMAO!
None of which is true so Wired is just making stuff up? Great.
Why dont they go back to talking about computer topics and leave the rest to other people more competent to talk about them?
I think this is the article which Pundit is talking about. It's on Wired from May 2, by Laurence Russell.
https://www.wired.com/story/neurodivergent-gamers-tabletop-rpgs/
It starts:
Quote from: Laurence RussellTHE TABLETOP GAMING community offers a place for communication and togetherness that can be incredibly rare in modern culture. It's a privilege that nerds have gotten better at sharing in recent years, particularly with those who need community most.
Dr. Elizabeth Kilmer is a clinical psychologist who uses tabletop role-playing games (TTRPGs) in therapy, and she herself was diagnosed with ADHD. "Narrative and metaphor have been used in therapy, healing, and educational practices for a long time," she explains. "You can see examples in folk tales, parables, and other oral traditions. TTRPGs can be a powerful tool because they are so interactive, and they allow us to be vulnerable through our character, while protecting ourselves."
"At the role-playing table, we can pretend to be braver than we feel in real life," agrees Jacob Wood, founder of the Accessible Games Blog and a longtime blind TTRPG player and GM. "Through fantasy, I learned to be comfortable talking to groups of other people, even if I didn't know them very well. Without these chances to express myself, I'd still be hiding away in my house on my own."
Understanding the Problem
As experts who have brought tabletop gaming to disabled and neurodiverse people for years, and part of the community themselves, people like Wood and Kilmer have created accommodations for people who haven't always been able to participate.
"Communication is hard," Kilmer reminds us. "Passive and indirect communication strategies can be particularly challenging for neurodivergent individuals (and isn't great for neurotypicals either). This can contribute to the stigma that autistic and ADHD players shouldn't or can't play TTPRGs."
It reads to me that TTRPGs are generally positive for neurodivergent people, but that things could be better with more accommodation.
And what kind of accommodation would that be?
We've been handling disabled players for a while. Larger dice and sheets, making sure there's room at the table for the player in a wheel chair, etc.
So I'm curious as to what kind of accommodation would be necessary.
But you know, I have a suspicion. Might be unwarranted, I'll grant that. But I wonder if the issue is some fuckwit wrapped themselves in the 'neurodivergent' blanket and cried because they got kicked out of groups for being stupid/disruptive/creepy.
You know you're right, probably some self diagnosed danger hair, male feminist or pronoun wearer.
This is how you can tell people aren't really part of the hobby. I've played with all sorts of "neurodivergent" people for over 30 years. It has always been about the friends and people you play with. Nobody ever gave two shits about differences.
And don't tell anyone, but we also played with women and people of color!
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: jhkim on May 05, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
Woke publication Wired > RPGers are prejudiced against "neurodivergent" people. Because reasons.
Pundit > "Will you look at the idiots!"
Me > ROTFLMAO!
None of which is true so Wired is just making stuff up? Great.
Why dont they go back to talking about computer topics and leave the rest to other people more competent to talk about them?
I think this is the article which Pundit is talking about. It's on Wired from May 2, by Laurence Russell.
https://www.wired.com/story/neurodivergent-gamers-tabletop-rpgs/
It starts:
Quote from: Laurence RussellTHE TABLETOP GAMING community offers a place for communication and togetherness that can be incredibly rare in modern culture. It's a privilege that nerds have gotten better at sharing in recent years, particularly with those who need community most.
Dr. Elizabeth Kilmer is a clinical psychologist who uses tabletop role-playing games (TTRPGs) in therapy, and she herself was diagnosed with ADHD. "Narrative and metaphor have been used in therapy, healing, and educational practices for a long time," she explains. "You can see examples in folk tales, parables, and other oral traditions. TTRPGs can be a powerful tool because they are so interactive, and they allow us to be vulnerable through our character, while protecting ourselves."
"At the role-playing table, we can pretend to be braver than we feel in real life," agrees Jacob Wood, founder of the Accessible Games Blog and a longtime blind TTRPG player and GM. "Through fantasy, I learned to be comfortable talking to groups of other people, even if I didn't know them very well. Without these chances to express myself, I'd still be hiding away in my house on my own."
Understanding the Problem
As experts who have brought tabletop gaming to disabled and neurodiverse people for years, and part of the community themselves, people like Wood and Kilmer have created accommodations for people who haven't always been able to participate.
"Communication is hard," Kilmer reminds us. "Passive and indirect communication strategies can be particularly challenging for neurodivergent individuals (and isn't great for neurotypicals either). This can contribute to the stigma that autistic and ADHD players shouldn't or can't play TTPRGs."
It reads to me that TTRPGs are generally positive for neurodivergent people, but that things could be better with more accommodation.
Bolding mine
What stigma?
In my current campaign we have me (aspie) and another player that'0s either also an aspie of has some ADHD, nobody ever asked if we were all neurotypical or said that aspies aren't welcome or can't play.
IME, as long as you can function well enough at the table nobody fucking cares about you being an aspie.
But, like Grognard GM says, if you can't stop screeching then sorry, you need special caregivers and I'm not trained nor did I came to the table to look after you.
Greetings!
Exactly, Hermano!
What "STIGMA"?
These blue-haired morons just like to make up their own problems. It's all BS. Just lie all of the Race and Nazi *HOAXES* that have been perpetrated in recent years--all done by Liberals.
And the article also mentioned something about using larger dice, and making accommodations for a gamer in a wheelchair.
*I* have GIANT DICE in my collection, some of them, anyways--just because GIANT DICE are awesome, right? *Laughing*
These people are whining, crying, frauds just looking for a crisis that they, of course, can be the appointed experts and authorities to "FIX".
Just like all of the other BS "problems" that Libtards have claimed to exist within the hobby over the last 5 or 10 years.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: jhkim on May 05, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
"the stigma that autistic and ADHD players shouldn't or can't play TTPRGs."
It reads to me that TTRPGs are generally positive for neurodivergent people, but that things could be better with more accommodation.
But she just made that up. There's no such stigma!
Edit: I strongly suspect that what she really wants is for people to tolerate fucked-up behaviour when wrapped in a blanket of neurodivergence. As opposed to (claimed) 'neurodivergent' people being encouraged to work out how to behave appropriately. The game table has always been a very welcoming place, sometimes excessively so ("Five Geek Social Fallacies"). It's very important not to normalise catpissman/lawncrapper behaviour though. That goes for me too; I'm slightly aspie and I'm aware I need to take a bit more care than the average person that my behaviour is socially appropriate.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 05, 2023, 11:14:45 AM
Imagine running a free forum and having your users bitch about your content delivery format and wanting to make a few bucks from a video.
No, this is about the RPG Pundit trying to get more views on his Youtube page.
That's fine, if he wants to post a video instead of a thread where he talks about a subject, I guess I just won't engage.
More views translates to more engagement, which causes the algorithm to recommend the video to more people, which potentially translates to more bucks either through YT ads, or through new sales of Pundit's products from people who may have watch his videos. You're not really disputing what rytrasmi said, you're just doubling down on the idea that the guy who owns the site posting his own videos in his own site rather than giving us a full break down of the video on the thread is some kind of faux pas.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 05, 2023, 08:22:28 PM
Quote from: jhkim on May 05, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
Woke publication Wired > RPGers are prejudiced against "neurodivergent" people. Because reasons.
Pundit > "Will you look at the idiots!"
Me > ROTFLMAO!
None of which is true so Wired is just making stuff up? Great.
Why dont they go back to talking about computer topics and leave the rest to other people more competent to talk about them?
I think this is the article which Pundit is talking about. It's on Wired from May 2, by Laurence Russell.
https://www.wired.com/story/neurodivergent-gamers-tabletop-rpgs/
It starts:
Quote from: Laurence RussellTHE TABLETOP GAMING community offers a place for communication and togetherness that can be incredibly rare in modern culture. It's a privilege that nerds have gotten better at sharing in recent years, particularly with those who need community most.
Dr. Elizabeth Kilmer is a clinical psychologist who uses tabletop role-playing games (TTRPGs) in therapy, and she herself was diagnosed with ADHD. "Narrative and metaphor have been used in therapy, healing, and educational practices for a long time," she explains. "You can see examples in folk tales, parables, and other oral traditions. TTRPGs can be a powerful tool because they are so interactive, and they allow us to be vulnerable through our character, while protecting ourselves."
"At the role-playing table, we can pretend to be braver than we feel in real life," agrees Jacob Wood, founder of the Accessible Games Blog and a longtime blind TTRPG player and GM. "Through fantasy, I learned to be comfortable talking to groups of other people, even if I didn't know them very well. Without these chances to express myself, I'd still be hiding away in my house on my own."
Understanding the Problem
As experts who have brought tabletop gaming to disabled and neurodiverse people for years, and part of the community themselves, people like Wood and Kilmer have created accommodations for people who haven't always been able to participate.
"Communication is hard," Kilmer reminds us. "Passive and indirect communication strategies can be particularly challenging for neurodivergent individuals (and isn't great for neurotypicals either). This can contribute to the stigma that autistic and ADHD players shouldn't or can't play TTPRGs."
It reads to me that TTRPGs are generally positive for neurodivergent people, but that things could be better with more accommodation.
And what kind of accommodation would that be?
We've been handling disabled players for a while. Larger dice and sheets, making sure there's room at the table for the player in a wheel chair, etc.
So I'm curious as to what kind of accommodation would be necessary.
But you know, I have a suspicion. Might be unwarranted, I'll grant that. But I wonder if the issue is some fuckwit wrapped themselves in the 'neurodivergent' blanket and cried because they got kicked out of groups for being stupid/disruptive/creepy.
The kind that allows the wokescolds to co-opt cause of "helping" neurodivergents to use them as a shield to push their agenda onto the hobby, on behalf on people who not only have
always been accommodated, but practically dominate the hobby's core demographic.
Quote from: S'mon on May 06, 2023, 02:30:51 AM
Quote from: jhkim on May 05, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
"the stigma that autistic and ADHD players shouldn't or can't play TTPRGs."
It reads to me that TTRPGs are generally positive for neurodivergent people, but that things could be better with more accommodation.
But she just made that up. There's no such stigma!
I agree. That line did not stand out to me when I pasted in the article intro. Both subjects talked about the overall positive experience they had from TTRPGs. To me, the article overall was about accommodations to help blind and neurodivergent RPG players, not complaining about prejudice. I can see that the implication is there in the "stigma" line, though.
I think there has been some stigma against autism-spectrum people in general, where "autistic" is used as an insult and they are shunned for being annoying. However, the TTRPG community has been better than most other parts of society for that.
A pity handjob?! That made me laugh sardonically! Hilariously evil!
In all seriousness, I treat people with dignity and kindness as a rule to include people that I would not choose to game with.
My charity ends when the purpose of the game is wrecked by anyone's problems. I am playing for fun. If it's not fun, why would I invest my limited post work post parenting time in the activity?
If someone cannot follow a few basic social rules, I just can't do it. Not realizing others want some snacks too and put your hands in the chip dip? Say inappropriate things to my family who may be passing by the vicinity? Talking over the gamemaster such that we can't play because you want to talk about trains?
I love you! I wish you the best! By my time matters too! I am patient but there are limitations. I am sorry. It is healthy to have some degree of self interest!
If you fuck up and need help reading or finding the right die? I am likely to pause and help quite a few times. That does not make the game (or me) a monster if there are limits.
Ah, the ol circle of woke life. har har. People are predictable.....we've always gotta be putting someone down....labeling them...as other.
Good video pundit.
In my experience the TTRPG community has a proportionally higher number of neurodivergent folks than most hobbies or society at large.
Giving this author a generous benefit of the doubt, perhaps the issue she sees is that the more "mainstream" folks new to the hobby are less tolerant of people on the spectrum. As the hobby goes mainstream it picks up mainstream problems.
Quote from: Festus on May 06, 2023, 11:44:58 AM
Giving this author a generous benefit of the doubt, perhaps the issue she sees is that the more "mainstream" folks new to the hobby are less tolerant of people on the spectrum. As the hobby goes mainstream it picks up mainstream problems.
I haven't seen any sign of that either. And frankly even my newer players, literal professional actors, Critical Role fans,
(a) Still have a few aspy traits - I was amazed when one of the actors started compiling a detailed database on the PCs in his group
(b) Play fine with the more high on the autism spectrum grognard players. Indeed they tend to strongly value the kind of powergamer focus my most autistic & grognard player brings to the table; without her cascades of well-timed
fireballs there'd be a lot more dead thespian PCs! ;D
If anything I tend to think it's aspy players who tend to annoy
other aspy players. Like when GeekyBugle here goes on a rant over some miscommunication from another poster. Normal people don't tend to get that "Someone is WRONG on the Internet!" urge nearly as strongly. ;D
Quote from: S'mon on May 06, 2023, 01:12:40 PM
Quote from: Festus on May 06, 2023, 11:44:58 AM
Giving this author a generous benefit of the doubt, perhaps the issue she sees is that the more "mainstream" folks new to the hobby are less tolerant of people on the spectrum. As the hobby goes mainstream it picks up mainstream problems.
I haven't seen any sign of that either. And frankly even my newer players, literal professional actors, Critical Role fans,
(a) Still have a few aspy traits - I was amazed when one of the actors started compiling a detailed database on the PCs in his group
(b) Play fine with the more high on the autism spectrum grognard players. Indeed they tend to strongly value the kind of powergamer focus my most autistic & grognard player brings to the table; without her cascades of well-timed fireballs there'd be a lot more dead thespian PCs! ;D
If anything I tend to think it's aspy players who tend to annoy other aspy players. Like when GeekyBugle here goes on a rant over some miscommunication from another poster. Normal people don't tend to get that "Someone is WRONG on the Internet!" urge nearly as strongly. ;D
I take offense to that!
I'm normal, a normal aspie that is! ;D
Yeah, saying that gamers, the people who can argue for an hour over the order of operations on applying a +1 bonus to an attack roll, have it in for autistic people is... woefully ignorant. Now if someone has some weird screaming freakout at the table if a player doesn't keep all their dice on a certain face, yeah, that sort of neurodivergent is a problem for people to deal with for their social tabletop games. But I've never seen any gaming group sweat the small stuff when it comes to social awkwardness, spectrum based or otherwise.
Quote from: Valatar on May 06, 2023, 03:29:22 PM
Yeah, saying that gamers, the people who can argue for an hour over the order of operations on applying a +1 bonus to an attack roll, have it in for autistic people is... woefully ignorant. Now if someone has some weird screaming freakout at the table if a player doesn't keep all their dice on a certain face, yeah, that sort of neurodivergent is a problem for people to deal with for their social tabletop games. But I've never seen any gaming group sweat the small stuff when it comes to social awkwardness, spectrum based or otherwise.
Or the dice being of different color/size, or the books on the shelf not being in a particular order (which is different for everyone), ordering pizza with pineapple (I'm guilty of ordering the pizza)...
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
Woke publication Wired > RPGers are prejudiced against "neurodivergent" people. Because reasons.
Pundit > "Will you look at the idiots!"
Me > ROTFLMAO!
None of which is true so Wired is just making stuff up? Great.
WIRED just making shit up? Say it ain't so!
Escalating social misunderstandings into lucrative virtue-signal grifts never required a degree in journalism.
However, they/them may never realize how they/them became barista-slaves in student-loan manacles only to service pseudo-academic egos; one must first be unable to trust your professors, which is beyond mere taboo of a question to fathom.
Besides, business can never be taken so personally. Money is as Money does, as all wise parents teach their children.
Quote from: Festus on May 06, 2023, 11:44:58 AM
In my experience the TTRPG community has a proportionally higher number of neurodivergent folks than most hobbies or society at large.
Giving this author a generous benefit of the doubt, perhaps the issue she sees is that the more "mainstream" folks new to the hobby are less tolerant of people on the spectrum. As the hobby goes mainstream it picks up mainstream problems.
Games and comicbooks helped me survive some rough times in childhood, and being in the hobbies, I saw many, many people with emotional and neurodivergent problems, finding
legitimate safe spaces in fandom.
So it boils my piss that since the 'inclusive' brigade inserted themselves in geekdom, they have pushed out all of the people that already existed in the spaces as 'problematic.' Oh you're an Autistic kid that can't keep up with the shifting pronouns? Then GTFO of the hobby, bigot.
Where do the young, socially awkward kids go now? And no, dressing like a clown and constantly screaming about your identity is not socially awkward, it's narcissism.
I used to be a lawyer and have moved into the mental health field, and "neurodivergence" has become a term so broad in use that it has little meaning. Some in the mental health field are obsessed with divining the physiological aspects of mental health conditions and addictions, but many of them are not trained in the hard sciences and do not understand causation and correlation. A paper will be published by an MD/PhD research team that is very narrow in focus, and too many without even mediocre training/education will take the findings and run with it far beyond the scope of the original research.
"Neurodivergent" is also the favorite term of people who self-diagnose using WebMD or other health websites, and it clearly has become a sword as well as shield for too many, so as to label themselves and excuse (not just explain) their difficulties. I wish this had never entered popular culture. There are plenty of people out there using "neurodivergent" to encompass pretty much anything within the DSM-5, and based on various surveys and such, this possibly means that a majority of Americans are neurodivergent, which is about as Lake Wobegon as you can get. Divergent from what??
Quote from: Grognard GM on May 06, 2023, 07:36:16 PM
Quote from: Festus on May 06, 2023, 11:44:58 AM
In my experience the TTRPG community has a proportionally higher number of neurodivergent folks than most hobbies or society at large.
Giving this author a generous benefit of the doubt, perhaps the issue she sees is that the more "mainstream" folks new to the hobby are less tolerant of people on the spectrum. As the hobby goes mainstream it picks up mainstream problems.
Games and comicbooks helped me survive some rough times in childhood, and being in the hobbies, I saw many, many people with emotional and neurodivergent problems, finding legitimate safe spaces in fandom.
So it boils my piss that since the 'inclusive' brigade inserted themselves in geekdom, they have pushed out all of the people that already existed in the spaces as 'problematic.' Oh you're an Autistic kid that can't keep up with the shifting pronouns? Then GTFO of the hobby, bigot.
Where do the young, socially awkward kids go now? And no, dressing like a clown and constantly screaming about your identity is not socially awkward, it's narcissism.
This, so very much this.
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on May 05, 2023, 11:14:45 AM
Imagine running a free forum and having your users bitch about your content delivery format and wanting to make a few bucks from a video.
No, this is about the RPG Pundit trying to get more views on his Youtube page.
That's fine, if he wants to post a video instead of a thread where he talks about a subject, I guess I just won't engage.
A thread that would require I type out a 25 minute-long speech is not exactly practical. You're free to not engage; argue for your limitations, and you shall have them!
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on May 06, 2023, 11:40:04 AM
Ah, the ol circle of woke life. har har. People are predictable.....we've always gotta be putting someone down....labeling them...as other.
Good video pundit.
Thank you!
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 02:33:23 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 11:21:09 AM
Who knew I was not welcome in the hobby! Somebody should have informed me sooner, not nice guys!
I guess I am not either. Having a not friendly tone is not a good way to keep people coming back to a forum.
Not sure why you're answering this to me, I'm mocking the idiots who claimed TTRPG players were prejudiced against people like me.
Just to let you know, i got the joke!
YES... RPG Pundit is right. We gamers HATE people with autism.
I mean, look at this post I made a month ago:
https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/radical-high-autism-awareness/ (https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/radical-high-autism-awareness/)
I'm a HATER!
(by the way, Rolling Stone already was trash by the 1990s)
"neurodivergent"
Sounds like made up bullshit so jackasses with no social skills can complain about people being prejudiced against them for things outside their control. I know a few autistic people; some realize they're autistic and are really good at at least trying to emulate social norms to get along with people. Some are total assholes who either lack the capacity to manage their actions or just don't care to do it. Obviously, yes, I would not play D&D with such individuals. However, those kind of people seem to have way more problems than just playing RPGs, like being able to perform every day tasks like buying groceries, so why is this even a thing? Oh, right...fat gamer dumbasses who have self-diagnosed mental illnesses. No one wants to play with them because they're obnoxious losers, so instead of working on their personality why not just say everyone else is fucked up for not playing with them? I guess this is like all the fatties with "thyroid problems" who have never seen a doctor to get meds for their alleged condition, all while eating a dozen doughnuts five times a week. Sure, you have a medical issue. Right.
That said, RPGs is one of the few hobbies that would put up with all sorts of weirdos and I've played with a bunch, but honestly some of those weirdos were funny and brought pizza to the game and were cool to game with for the most part. They weren't self-loathing fucktards with 97 cats and an old Dell laptop running Windows 98 typing up a 12 page backstory for their 1st level tiefling warlock or whatever, complaining they can't make rent because they blew all the money their dad gave them on funkopops.
As a 'neurodivergent' I can say for a fact that RPGs
have become less accessable... thanks to the very people claiming to make them more inclusive. And they can't help but gatekeep even here:
QuoteUltimately, play should be negotiated for the comfort and enjoyment of those actually at the table, so long as their preferred methods of empowerment aren't harmful on a macro scale and are recognized as personal affectations. The conversation about how exactly, is still a matter of discussion, one that disability advocates are already leading on.
And it will
always be a matter of discussion because disabled people aren't a monolith and the ambiguity can be weaponized.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on May 08, 2023, 03:16:37 AM
As a 'neurodivergent' I can say for a fact that RPGs have become less accessable... thanks to the very people claiming to make them more inclusive. And they can't help but gatekeep even here:
QuoteUltimately, play should be negotiated for the comfort and enjoyment of those actually at the table, so long as their preferred methods of empowerment aren't harmful on a macro scale and are recognized as personal affectations. The conversation about how exactly, is still a matter of discussion, one that disability advocates are already leading on.
And it will always be a matter of discussion because disabled people aren't a monolith and the ambiguity can be weaponized.
Gotta watch out for all those powerful nerd rejects in the corner of their mom's basement using TTRPGs to engage in power fantasies (i.e. "methods of empowerment") to inflict "harm" on a MACRO scale (which for the kids at home means that it bleeds over and has an impact at a major societal level...
somehow).
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on May 08, 2023, 03:16:37 AM
As a 'neurodivergent' I can say for a fact that RPGs have become less accessable... thanks to the very people claiming to make them more inclusive.
That's very true - and true of society at large. With Cancel/Woke Culture built on ever-increasing demand for public adherence to obvious falsehoods, people on the spectrum have ever greater difficulty negotiating the ever changing social terrain. Some don't even realise they're supposed to lie about stuff, or at very least stay silent. Some realise this intellectually, but emotionally are incapable of declaring lies to be truth. More typically, people make the effort to publicly adhere to orthodoxy, but get tripped up - that goes for normies too.