Quote from: Benoist;499608If you ban JD, then you must seriously consider banning Darwinism and TheCasualOblivion, who are blatantly "disrupting the site" by your definition. The latter just argues for the sake of shit stirring and never ever has a point, while the former is so far up the crazy Forge-4e virtual asshole I can hear the rectal echo from where I'm sitting when reading his verbal diarrhea.

This is one of the most pathetic things I have ever read on a public forum. You want people banned because they disagree with you? You're an idiot.

Quote from: soviet;499626This is one of the most pathetic things I have ever read on a public forum. You want people banned because they disagree with you? You're an idiot.

You're a fucking moron searching to back up people who happen to agree with you. You comment on something that's already been answered to in the next post: no, I'm not asking for them to be banned. What I'm pointing out is the lack of consistency in the banning of JD. Is that clear with you now?

So stop projecting and check your reading comprehension. Thank you very much, asshole.

Quote from: two_fishes;499600I suspect that bans will become more frequent and more arbitrary in the year to come.

I concur.

That ban did seem unnecessary, when it would have been easier to step out of the argument and ignore him.

Quote from: Benoist;499620I don't know if I want to. I hate the guts of these guys and I really do think they are only here to disrupt the site, but on the other hand, I didn't agree with the banning of Seanchai earlier, and I'm not sure I agree with JD's now, though I did warn him in my capacity of random OP poster here about this (publicly, in another thread, I think that's the start of the one about the Ghost of D&D's Future).

Check the "slamming of 4e has already started" current flamewar. You'll see what I mean.

The last few days here Seanchai spent all his time basically waving his dick in Pundit's face daring him to permaban him.   "So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it."  Pundit did him a favor and put Seanchai out of his misery.

JD, I don't know.  The guy was obviously doing the same thing.  His whole "But wait a minute..." smug innocent sounding bait questions were getting old.  It got kind of tiring during High School debates, let alone 25 years later.  Lots of people on this site tear Pundit's ass a new one now and again, but it do it with more style, not one percent as annoying, and usually with some shred of intellectual honesty.  Ignoring him when he does that though is, as pointed out, a better response.  JD's like most people here, when he's not in jackass mode, he's a great poster.

The 4vengers, well they don't participate here any other time, and only come to flamewar about 4e.  They haven't been interested in actually discussing mechanics or design of 4e for years and usually only appear under AM's skirts when he's summoned by Windjammer when WJ once again validates criticisms of 4e using the words of 4e designers.  Right now a bunch of people are having fun spinning Darwinism in a circle, but it's to the point now where he's answering posts with stuff like "hahahahahahaha", so fair to say that well's about run dry.  They'll disappear again, they always do.

Should Pundit ban more people?  If he does, it doesn't matter why he does it.  People like twofishes will spin it as being arbitrary and personality-based no matter what he does, and the "anti-Pundits" on this site will agree.  

The bans happen with more frequency though, and this place will become where big purple jihadists come to sacrifice themselves to prove this site's speech isn't free and to get the vibes of 70 transgendered post-surgery virgins.

I pretty much agree with everything CRK.

Whatever. The only thing JD did that other posters mentioned didn't do was argue directly with Pundit. Clearly the qualification for banning is piss Pundit off enough and little else. JD just argued about shit, that's it. He disagreed with Pundit and he didn't shut up about it.

Quote from: Benoist;499620I don't know if I want to. I hate the guts of these guys and I really do think they are only here to disrupt the site, but on the other hand, I didn't agree with the banning of Seanchai earlier, and I'm not sure I agree with JD's now, though I did warn him in my capacity of random OP poster here about this (publicly, in another thread, I think that's the start of the one about the Ghost of D&D's Future).

Check the "slamming of 4e has already started" current flamewar. You'll see what I mean.

I'll try to keep an eye out (haven't even looked at that thread at all other than very briefly at its inception) but it seems to me that at least one of the people you name there (I've yet to find any actual posts by the other one) are vehemently arguing their position, maybe in an aggressive way, but that's not really what I'd call "disruption".  If on the other hand they were merely semantically nitpicking everything their opponents said while intentionally refusing to acknowledge even the most basic of arguments, in other words, engaging in NON-debate, then I'd find a bit more to be concerned about.   Particularly if they had a history of doing that in multiple threads.

Again, if you think there's a case for the latter, bring it up, ideally with specific cases in point.

RPGPundit

Quote from: CRKrueger;499634The bans happen with more frequency though, and this place will become where big purple jihadists come to sacrifice themselves to prove this site's speech isn't free and to get the vibes of 70 transgendered post-surgery virgins.

For the record, the last person banned before corley was seanchai, and that was FIVE MONTHS ago.  They were the only two users banned in 2011.

That means we had TWO banned posters in 2011, averaging 1 per six months (though in actuality, there were 0 in the first six months of 2011, and 2 in the last six months).

In 2010 we banned THREE actual non-spam posters, Cylonophile and two guys who had only about 3 posts each (which were pure site disruption; one of them was just promoting his site, so he might arguably be considered a spammer).  

In 2009 we had 2 bans, in 2008 we had about 12 bans, though some of those were socks or arguably spammers.  

So at least in the last 3 years, we've pretty much been unwavering in our rate of banning, averaging about 2 bans a year, which is probably less than what rpg.net bans in a week.  Just to give you all a sense of perspective.

RPGPundit

Quote from: two_fishes;499637Whatever. The only thing JD did that other posters mentioned didn't do was argue directly with Pundit. Clearly the qualification for banning is piss Pundit off enough and little else. JD just argued about shit, that's it. He disagreed with Pundit and he didn't shut up about it.

Lots of people, yourself one of the main contenders, have argued with me countless times without being banned.  You've managed to rack up over 1000 posts of which a sizable percentage amount to nothing more than opportunistically attacking me (including this post I'm quoting), and yet you're still here.

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Quote from: Rum Cove;499633I concur.

That ban did seem unnecessary, when it would have been easier to step out of the argument and ignore him.

Well, banning IS like Ignore, except you're able to impose your preference on an entire site, and since you don't have that option, it didn't occur to you as reasonable.
Or put another way, to the man with a banhammer, everyone looks like a nail.

JG

Quote from: RPGPundit;499650Lots of people, yourself one of the main contenders, have argued with me countless times without being banned.  You've managed to rack up over 1000 posts of which a sizable percentage amount to nothing more than opportunistically attacking me (including this post I'm quoting), and yet you're still here.

I'm not that persistent. I'll take a jab when you're being particularly egregious, but most of the time I just roll my eyes and move along. I'm not gonna dog you for 100 posts calling you on your bullshit. The last two bans have come after just that--someone getting on your case. In this case you banned without a warning or anything. JD pissed you off and wouldn't let up, so off he goes. I think 2012 will play out just as I predicted: more frequent, more arbitrary.

Quote from: RPGPundit;499452Fuck you. I'm done with this. You're banned.

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This is disappointing.

I know that JD was a damn picky bastard, but at least some of the picks he had at me were good - and I like to think I actually managed to get some of my picks at his ideas back to him as well.

I'd call it a damn shame, as he was a fine, if assholish, conversation patron. While I find that manner of his annoying, he was at least discussing RPGs and doing that with much, MUCH more style then Darwinism and his yoke.