Quote from: James Gillen;496081But if you ARE foolish and you don't understand the language, if we answered your questions, would it matter?

We'll never know now!

Quote from: Imperator;496080I am aware of that, I'm sorry. But I can't help myself when I see a pink-flamingo starship.

The sight of the cutest battleship in the galaxy will lull the enemy into a false sense of security!

Anyway, the main colours for the Mansion can be rolled on the Maid Colour Table, which is also used for the eyes, hair, and uniforms of the PCs. Yes, someone's character may well end up randomly with indigo hair and pink eyes. "Metallic" is probably the most appropriate entry for things like starships.

Quote from: Imperator;496080As I said, Maid is not for me simply because I loathe anime and all things anime and I find them ridiculous and retarded, but I acknowledge is just a matter of taste.

Player buy-in is an obvious issue. A taste for anime or manga, and at least some familiarity with the general concept of maids as presented in various series, definitely help, even if it's just Roberta from Black Lagoon. (A former international terrorist, she became a maid to atone for her violent past, but although she tries to act demure and polite now, she still reverts into an unstoppable killing machine at any threats towards her master or his son.)

Also, the game itself is peppered with, for instance, events, items and powers which are nods to various titles from Floating Classroom to Fruits Basket.

Quote from: JDCorley;495937I am not redefining anything to fit my agenda! I'm just a regular person, an average joe.  I seek only wisdom and enlightenment, and was enthralled by your dramatic passion about what words can and cannot be used to talk about RPGs, or maybe to think about them? Oh well, it was worth a try. I guess I will muddle on with my normal everyday language instead of the psychic uber-language we have received just a tiny glimpse of.  Too bad nobody wants to answer my questions, as the most foolish person on the forums, this seems unfair to me.

Tough, it must be all that brain damage you got from playing games Ron Edwards didn't think you should before you learned how to use HIS special language that actually defines words in completely different ways than normal people would, aiming for intentional complexity for elitism's sake.

See how easy it is to play your game, you stupid fucker?

RPGPundit

My game?

Hmm, would that be my Firefly game or my X-Men game or my D&D game?

And...I hope it's pretty easy to play? I like easy, relaxing games.

I didn't think you agreed with Ron Edwards about the brain damage thing.  But it's good to know you agree with Ron Edwards, please tell me more about how much you support his theories.

I think you both believe you have psychic abilities to tell you what and how other people are thinking, so in retrospect it shouldn't surprise me that you're on the same side.

Alright bitch, answer me this: Is it or is it not fact that Edwards' "Storygaming" movement primarily comes out of a massive rejection of the White Wolf "story-based gaming" that he accused (correctly, in fact) of being just a regular RPG that tries to pretend its something deep but doesn't follow up; while he in fact tried to push the Forge as a place to produce games that were NOT regular RPGs and actually DID try to "create story" rather than just acting gothy?

Because if this is the case, motherfucker, then you have no basis for anything you've said on this thread. If it isn't, you better prove it or its clear you're just trying to act as a disruptive element for a thread that's going in a direction you don't like.

So, get to it, or I'll draw my own conclusions.

RPGPundit

I don't know what he thinks, I'm not psychic?  

I know a few years ago he posted somewhere that he really didn't like story games...

...and he doesn't post on story-games.com very much (Edit: I went back and checked, he hasn't posted there since 2007, so he's really not that interested in story games I would guess)...

...and his main game, Sorcerer, is pretty much a normal RPG in the White Wolf mold...

...and plenty of games that came out of the Forge were pretty normal RPGs with GMs and adventures and so on...

...so I'm going to say based on what he's written, I lean towards no, he didn't really reject White Wolf "story-based gaming", at least as I understand it?

He didn't like a lot of stuff about White Wolf games, but that's okay, not everyone has to like every game out there!  I don't like WH40K, but lots of people do, it doesn't hurt me any.

But if you were really interested in what he thought, you could e-mail him and ask him?

Or you could just use your psychic powers and tell me what he thinks, that would be interesting too, do you get a real-time stream of his thoughts, or is it time-delayed somewhat?

Anyway, I don't see what that has to do with your belief that you know what I'm thinking (relativism?), or that ordinary everyday language of discussing RPGs must be controlled (by you, or a committee or something? I was never clear) in order to preserve RPGs from the creeping menace of something-or-other?

Also, you never answered whether it was okay for people to think the forbidden words when thinking about RPGs, or if we must also police our thoughts. (Or psychics will police them for us?)

The ones who want to twist and control language by focusing on semantics is your side. On this site, we don't allow that to happen.

Your ridiculous weasel-worded reply is typical Forge Swine dissimulation.

You want to play around with nonsense terms that modify the fundamental assumptions of RPGs so that they can fit the insane theories of a gang of pretentious idiots? Go to Storygames.  Of course, that's not satisfying to you because the mission of your cause is to subvert regular RPG sites into framing their discussion along Forgite terms.  

Sadly, here is one place where you won't be allowed to succeed in that.  So you can go whine about it elsewhere, or you can go lick your wounds all by your lonesome, that's your choice.  But keep trying to disrupt this site and I won't hesitate to end you.

RPGPundit

An interesting response - claiming to read someone's mind and knowing what they really think is contributing constructively to the site, policing language (and maybe thought) to keep regular ole words from being used in regular ole ways to talk about regular ole RPGs is doing the site a service glorious and true, and refusing ro answer straightforward, simple questions is a sign of purity and valor.

Whereas discussing RPGs is a cowardly, skulking act, a hideous tumor to be cut out, honestly and humbly giving answers when asked is only proof of evil intentions.

So, if I described the episode from Benoist's game to someone and they complimented it by saying, "Wow, that sounds like a cool chapter" (or plot, or development, or character, or whatever the banned words are), do you think I should physically attack them, or spit on them, or...? What kind of punishment does this kind of language crime bring with it? Are some words more damning than others? How can I, a non psychic, determine if their use of the word is innocent, or is it more like a quarantine that must be maintained regardless of their guilt?  "I am sorry, the story language has infected you. You are expelled from the con."

I always miss out on the origins of these fun awkward scenes... Like catching the schoolyard fight right when the teachers arrive.

Quote from: RPGPundit;497035But keep trying to disrupt this site and I won't hesitate to end you.

RPGPundit

How's he disrupting this site ? Does he stalk threads and derail conversations ?

Regards,
David R

Remember, all I did was post a perfectly normal compliment using perfectly normal average everyday words. I'm in trouble for what he thinks I think (like, he says I secretly am a relativist of some kind and secretlly believe in Ron Edwards' theories, etc.)

If I did believe in GNS, it would be a Christmas miracle for the fucking ages, because everything I've posted about it on every site forever is that it's malformed garbage, to the point where it's a running gag people comment on. But basically he says even that nearly decade-long history is just part of my plan to lull everyone into complacency so that I can do my treacherous work unhindered. Such a pathology is rarely displayed so boldly. Hence my constant request for more.

Quote from: David R;497120How's he disrupting this site ? Does he stalk threads and derail conversations ?

Regards,
David R

He's derailed this thread by pages and pages of sniping and arguing in bad faith.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;497379He's derailed this thread by pages and pages of sniping and arguing in bad faith.

RPGPundit

JD may be a pedantic little fucker but he never argues in bad faith. Weren't you the one accusing him of being a GNS/Forge Swine when his positions ( downright hostile to Forge theory) is well documented across various boards/blogs? And since when is sniping and arguing in bad faith site disruption. If this is the case, look around, there are a few who would qualify for "ending" :rolleyes:

Regards,
David R

Let's document this:

1. post 88: JDcorley initiates the sniping: "But surely using even the slightest amount of story-related terminology will open the doors for....infection. Like "plot", above! Benoist thoroughly explained this, go back and read it.".

2. Jgants points out that his ironic bullshit is actually basically true, over in post 90. I concur in post 91.

3. In post 93, Jdcorley, unwilling to let it go, starts to snipe in earnest; trying to claim that its my side, and not the Forgers, who believe in controlling the language to support lies.

4. post 96, jdcorley continues to defend forge games from jgants (so much for his "well known position" of being against the forge).

5. post 98, jdcorley, clearly unhinged at this point, (sarcastically) accuses me of being psychic, engages in all kinds of attack, and keeps engaging in a blatantly FALSE argument that he must know is false (i.e. ARGUING IN BAD FAITH), where he tries to claim that the control of language is something the forgers are the poor innocent victims of, rather than the constant perpetrators in their quest to subvert the industry and hobby.

He continues from there, to engage in weasel-wording passive-aggressive sniping against both myself and jgants, until the thread has been completely derailed, which I assume is, for him, mission accomplished.

RPGPundit

Jgants was missinformed that all Forge games are of the sick/torture porn variety. JD merely enlightened him. From claiming that JD defends GNS (and by this you meant he wants to control language) you shift the goalpost to defends Forge Games. Of course he never ever denied he plays certain Forge games but thinks the theory is crap. And then you claim he's arguing in bad faith because "he must know"....Jesus, you really are psychic. And then you claim that he wants to derail this thread when he and Ben were having a fairly civil discussion until Ben gets all hot in the neck by JD's complement that included the word "plot".  Yeah, you're really big on the truth here :rolleyes:

Regards,
David R