Yes, ironically, JDCorley's sarcastic statement is in a way right; and Jgants has already explained how.

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QuoteA bunch of morons (in particular, Uncle Ron) read the Vampire book, assumed it meant something other than it did because it used literature-like words, and decided to try and ruin the hobby by introducing storygames (which wouldn't have been so bad if every "story" they want to portray wasn't something out of the Marquis de Sade's library).

Hm, interesting theory, let's look at a very successful and highly regarded story game, Happy Birthday, Robot!, to see if this makes sense.

Quote from: RPGPundit;495470Yes, ironically, JDCorley's sarcastic statement is in a way right; and Jgants has already explained how.

Yes, please tell us more about how language must be controlled with an iron fist in order to prevent infection.

Quote from: JDCorley;495515Hm, interesting theory, let's look at a very successful and highly regarded story game, Happy Birthday, Robot!, to see if this makes sense.

Never heard of it.  Or ever saw it mentioned online.

Clearly I was more mocking the Sorcerer/Poison'd/Japanese Maid (or whatever that was) games.

But you are correct, not all storygames are pretentious misery/fetish tourism; I forgot about the other half of the forgey games that are merely boring and pretentious.

Quote from: jgants;495574Clearly I was more mocking the Sorcerer/Poison'd/Japanese Maid (or whatever that was) games.

Maid isn't a "storygame", "forgey", or "something out of the Marquis de Sade's library", though.

Hmm. Actually, I might as well quote one of my recent posts on another forum...

"To demonstrate the game at its simplest, I just rolled up this set-up on the charts:

The World is Space, so the general genre at least starts out as space opera. The Mood is Romance, the fluffiest of the lot.

The Mansion, the locale where the bulk of the play takes place, is a pink-and-indigo warship, carrying a private army and equipped with a sizeable indoor pool.

The Master, the employer of the PCs, is a shy nine-year-old professional criminal, whose power comes from the ship itself as well as an immense personal fortune.

The Butler, strong against outside threats but weak against Maids unless acting on the Master's orders, is a misshapen hacker, apparent age 43, who secretly plots against the others and intends to take over the ship himself.

The Maids, the default PCs, are a priestess princess who serves the Master to repay some great service in the past, a greedy wereraven who's been sent by the Master's enemies to infiltrate the ship, and an angel who's actually a guy and took the job just because he's a big fan of maids.

And a random event to kick off the scenario: 'The space pirate guild has put a bounty on the master and the maids! But why?'"

Quote from: jgants;495574Never heard of it.  Or ever saw it mentioned online.

Your expertise is surely unmatchable.

PS, did you know Sorcerer has a GM, players, and you play only your character, and the GM says what happens and you say what your character does? It's basically a White Wolf game from someone other than White Wolf.

Quote from: JDCorley;495516Yes, please tell us more about how language must be controlled with an iron fist in order to prevent infection.

Its you fucking relativists that believe in nothing but semantic manipulation for the obtaining of power. So you weasel-word your way around like fucking wormtongues spreading your filth by eroding values not with anything that's true, but with lies and deception, and the manipulation of language.

You're just pissed off because I know your game, and have played it better than you, in the name of Truth, against you. I won the war.

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Interesting, you feel I am a relativist (of some kind?), your psychic powers are formidable indeed, please tell us more.  Do you think that everyone everywhere must use language as you do, or do you think that just the people talking about RPGs on the Internet must? Are there other forbidden words? Are people allowed to think the forbidden words so long as they keep silent about what they think, or must they guard even their thoughts? Do psychics like yourself stand by to assist in policing our thoughts? About how many minds can one of you regularly patrol?

Quote from: GrimGent;495586"To demonstrate the game at its simplest, I just rolled up this set-up on the charts:

The World is Space, so the general genre at least starts out as space opera. The Mood is Romance, the fluffiest of the lot.

The Mansion, the locale where the bulk of the play takes place, is a pink-and-indigo warship, carrying a private army and equipped with a sizeable indoor pool.

The Master, the employer of the PCs, is a shy nine-year-old professional criminal, whose power comes from the ship itself as well as an immense personal fortune.

The Butler, strong against outside threats but weak against Maids unless acting on the Master's orders, is a misshapen hacker, apparent age 43, who secretly plots against the others and intends to take over the ship himself.

The Maids, the default PCs, are a priestess princess who serves the Master to repay some great service in the past, a greedy wereraven who's been sent by the Master's enemies to infiltrate the ship, and an angel who's actually a guy and took the job just because he's a big fan of maids.

And a random event to kick off the scenario: 'The space pirate guild has put a bounty on the master and the maids! But why?'"

I don't care what people does with their free time and I don't think that Maid is a terrible game that pollutes everyone's minds and destroys the hobby, but this must be one of the most retarded premises for a game I've ever seen. If someone offered me to play in a game like that I would laugh and laugh and laugh.

Surely laughter is not what the game is trying to evoke, and therefore your reaction would be heart-rending to the person offering you a seat at the table.

Quote from: Imperator;495741I don't care what people does with their free time and I don't think that Maid is a terrible game that pollutes everyone's minds and destroys the hobby, but this must be one of the most retarded premises for a game I've ever seen. If someone offered me to play in a game like that I would laugh and laugh and laugh.

That's the "Completely Random" playstyle in action. It's basically intended as silly filler for when you have a bit of free time, maybe from fifteen minutes to an hour, and just want to play something light and quick with no prepwork in advance.

Granted, the incredibly random nature of the charts does mean that some tweaking may well be required for more substantial scenarios, and some Special Qualities don't fit in at all in certain genres unless you go for kitchen-sink mash-ups. The angel and the wereraven from that example aren't hard to describe as aliens, but you could just as easily end up with, say, robots in the Wild West or wizards in Cyberpunk.

Then again, if it's consistency you're after, the "Scenario-Based" playstyle would probably be a better choice from the start.

Quote from: JDCorley;495730Interesting, you feel I am a relativist (of some kind?), your psychic powers are formidable indeed, please tell us more.  Do you think that everyone everywhere must use language as you do, or do you think that just the people talking about RPGs on the Internet must? Are there other forbidden words? Are people allowed to think the forbidden words so long as they keep silent about what they think, or must they guard even their thoughts? Do psychics like yourself stand by to assist in policing our thoughts? About how many minds can one of you regularly patrol?

You can say whatever you like, shit-head; but A is motherfucking A. You don't get to be the one who redefines truth to fit your agenda.  Fuck you and your reality-bubble.

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I am not redefining anything to fit my agenda! I'm just a regular person, an average joe.  I seek only wisdom and enlightenment, and was enthralled by your dramatic passion about what words can and cannot be used to talk about RPGs, or maybe to think about them? Oh well, it was worth a try. I guess I will muddle on with my normal everyday language instead of the psychic uber-language we have received just a tiny glimpse of.  Too bad nobody wants to answer my questions, as the most foolish person on the forums, this seems unfair to me.

Quote from: JDCorley;495747Surely laughter is not what the game is trying to evoke, and therefore your reaction would be heart-rending to the person offering you a seat at the table.

I am aware of that, I'm sorry. But I can't help myself when I see a pink-flamingo starship.

Quote from: GrimGent;495775That's the "Completely Random" playstyle in action. It's basically intended as silly filler for when you have a bit of free time, maybe from fifteen minutes to an hour, and just want to play something light and quick with no prepwork in advance.

Granted, the incredibly random nature of the charts does mean that some tweaking may well be required for more substantial scenarios, and some Special Qualities don't fit in at all in certain genres unless you go for kitchen-sink mash-ups. The angel and the wereraven from that example aren't hard to describe as aliens, but you could just as easily end up with, say, robots in the Wild West or wizards in Cyberpunk.

Then again, if it's consistency you're after, the "Scenario-Based" playstyle would probably be a better choice from the start.

It's cool man. As I said, Maid is not for me simply because I loathe anime and all things anime and I find them ridiculous and retarded, but I acknowledge is just a matter of taste. I'm cool with people playing games they enjoy no matter what I think of those games.

Quote from: JDCorley;495937I am not redefining anything to fit my agenda! I'm just a regular person, an average joe.  I seek only wisdom and enlightenment, and was enthralled by your dramatic passion about what words can and cannot be used to talk about RPGs, or maybe to think about them? Oh well, it was worth a try. I guess I will muddle on with my normal everyday language instead of the psychic uber-language we have received just a tiny glimpse of.  Too bad nobody wants to answer my questions, as the most foolish person on the forums, this seems unfair to me.

But if you ARE foolish and you don't understand the language, if we answered your questions, would it matter?

JG