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With No-Consequence Dark Powers, Nu-Ravenloft is a Scooby-Themepark Setting

Started by RPGPundit, May 29, 2021, 08:15:59 PM

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RPGPundit

May 29, 2021, 08:15:59 PM
Ravenloft was defined by the struggle characters faced inside it, against the Dark Powers and resisting the temptation of the corrupting power of Dark Gifts. In Nu-Ravenloft, there's no more Dark Power Checks, and no real consequences to taking all the evil superpowers you like.

Also, resultingly, it has no moral compass. On purpose.

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#1
May 29, 2021, 08:59:56 PM
The saddest part of this nu-Ravenloft, speaking from the POV of a Christian fan of D&D, is along with generally ruining the legacy of the game with their stupidity and soapboxing, the SJWs are, probably intentionally, helping confirm what the anti-D&D crowd was claiming about the game decades ago.

Not so much that the game is a gateway to Satanism, but that it encourages players to indulge in lapses of moral standards, if not outright evil acts, under the guise of having fun and to earn rewards for doing so. The loss of alignments doesn't help.

*Sigh* Well, at least I have my copies of 1st and 2nd and 3.5 edition books.

Armchair Gamer

#2
May 29, 2021, 09:12:31 PM
Quote from: Renegade_Productions on May 29, 2021, 08:59:56 PM
The saddest part of this nu-Ravenloft, speaking from the POV of a Christian fan of D&D, is along with generally ruining the legacy of the game with their stupidity and soapboxing, the SJWs are, probably intentionally, helping confirm what the anti-D&D crowd was claiming about the game decades ago.

Not so much that the game is a gateway to Satanism, but that it encourages players to indulge in lapses of moral standards, if not outright evil acts, under the guise of having fun and to earn rewards for doing so. The loss of alignments doesn't help.

*Sigh* Well, at least I have my copies of 1st and 2nd and 3.5 edition books.

  The inclusion of the 'spirit board' doesn't help, either, especially with numerous voices online clamoring for Hasbro to make a Ravenloft-branded Ouija board.

SHARK

#3
May 29, 2021, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: Renegade_Productions on May 29, 2021, 08:59:56 PM
The saddest part of this nu-Ravenloft, speaking from the POV of a Christian fan of D&D, is along with generally ruining the legacy of the game with their stupidity and soapboxing, the SJWs are, probably intentionally, helping confirm what the anti-D&D crowd was claiming about the game decades ago.

Not so much that the game is a gateway to Satanism, but that it encourages players to indulge in lapses of moral standards, if not outright evil acts, under the guise of having fun and to earn rewards for doing so. The loss of alignments doesn't help.

*Sigh* Well, at least I have my copies of 1st and 2nd and 3.5 edition books.

Greetings!

This is an excellent point, Renegade! The Nu-Ravenloft is presenting stuff, even mystical, quasi-satanic things in a manner that...geesus. ;D Yeah, such doesn't do the D&D game brand any favours, and it seems purposely *intent* on provoking the absolute worst reactions from Christians, of whatever flavour.

So sad, and so frustrating.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

SHARK

#4
May 29, 2021, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 29, 2021, 09:12:31 PM
Quote from: Renegade_Productions on May 29, 2021, 08:59:56 PM
The saddest part of this nu-Ravenloft, speaking from the POV of a Christian fan of D&D, is along with generally ruining the legacy of the game with their stupidity and soapboxing, the SJWs are, probably intentionally, helping confirm what the anti-D&D crowd was claiming about the game decades ago.

Not so much that the game is a gateway to Satanism, but that it encourages players to indulge in lapses of moral standards, if not outright evil acts, under the guise of having fun and to earn rewards for doing so. The loss of alignments doesn't help.

*Sigh* Well, at least I have my copies of 1st and 2nd and 3.5 edition books.

  The inclusion of the 'spirit board' doesn't help, either, especially with numerous voices online clamoring for Hasbro to make a Ravenloft-branded Ouija board.

Greetings!

Very true, Armchair Gamer! It is disturbing to note that in the old TSR days, most of the people running things were professed Christians, with others that weren't which were nonetheless sensitive to the Christian market, and wanting to avoid intentionally offending Christians.

The current staff, as far as I have seen, are not only *NOT* Christians, but they seem to hold a decidedly hostile and anti-Christian world view.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

Omega

#5
May 29, 2021, 09:55:16 PM Last Edit: May 29, 2021, 09:56:58 PM by Omega
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 29, 2021, 09:12:31 PMThe inclusion of the 'spirit board' doesn't help, either, especially with numerous voices online clamoring for Hasbro to make a Ravenloft-branded Ouija board.

Jesus wept please no!
One of my aunts had a real board and could actually make it work.
I dont care if its subconsious reflex or spirits from beyond. These things are not toys and using one for a D&D session with the new era of mentally unstable players is literally getting on your knees and begging for disaster.

If innocent people were not nigh 100% likely to get hurt I'd say "Yeah WOTC. Go ahead an make em."

Unfortunately odds are WOTC WILL make em or convince Hasbro to because... money "And hay its not our fault the kid blew themselves up with the grenade we packed in with the game. We even put a warning in the rules that pulling the pin was dangerous."

Renegade_Productions

#6
May 29, 2021, 09:58:37 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 29, 2021, 09:12:31 PM
  The inclusion of the 'spirit board' doesn't help, either, especially with numerous voices online clamoring for Hasbro to make a Ravenloft-branded Ouija board.

No it doesn't. Me, I just roll my eyes at those things these days, but if they did make one with that theme, given what year we're in, *headdesk X3*.

Quote from: SHARK on May 29, 2021, 09:39:05 PM
Greetings!

This is an excellent point, Renegade! The Nu-Ravenloft is presenting stuff, even mystical, quasi-satanic things in a manner that...geesus. ;D Yeah, such doesn't do the D&D game brand any favours, and it seems purposely *intent* on provoking the absolute worst reactions from Christians, of whatever flavour.

So sad, and so frustrating.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings in return, SHARK.

Yes it is, and as Pundit and others have pointed out, this is being done with an aesthetic that gives the impression of whimsy and Scooby Doo rather than one that says you're in a place where the powers at play delight in encouraging evil acts and bringing the freshly corrupted, by their own hands, into their ranks.

Glad to see the older, and better versed, players noticing and mocking this perversion of the game and setting, though. It deserves it.

Wrath of God

#7
May 30, 2021, 09:22:24 AM
TBH it reminds me somehow this ridiculous way they dealt with Chaos Corruption in 4e of Warhammer Fantasy, when you lose Corruption points if you indulge in Chaotic behaviour (presented as Dark Whispers your GM can use).
"Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon."

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Snowman0147

#8
May 30, 2021, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: Wrath of God on May 30, 2021, 09:22:24 AM
TBH it reminds me somehow this ridiculous way they dealt with Chaos Corruption in 4e of Warhammer Fantasy, when you lose Corruption points if you indulge in Chaotic behaviour (presented as Dark Whispers your GM can use).

Damn those worshippers of the dark gods must be the least corrupt dudes in the setting with that mechanic.

JeffB

#9
May 30, 2021, 11:33:12 AM
Scooby Doo (the first two seasons, anyway) is awesome. I've enjoyed them all over again as an adult watching them with my kids.

Please stop insulting it by comparing it to lame WOTC D&D product  >:(  :P   ;D

Renegade_Productions

#10
May 30, 2021, 09:32:48 PM
Quote from: JeffB on May 30, 2021, 11:33:12 AM
Scooby Doo (the first two seasons, anyway) is awesome. I've enjoyed them all over again as an adult watching them with my kids.

Please stop insulting it by comparing it to lame WOTC D&D product  >:(  :P   ;D

It's the most apt comparison, sadly. And whatever is the easiest to steal from, WOTC seems to use it.

Thornhammer

#11
May 30, 2021, 09:51:43 PM
Quote from: JeffB on May 30, 2021, 11:33:12 AM
Scooby Doo (the first two seasons, anyway) is awesome. I've enjoyed them all over again as an adult watching them with my kids.

If you get a group that doesn't take shit too seriously, doing a one-shot Ravenloft as Scooby Doo might be a lot of fun, especially if you really lay into it.

Get some of the music, maybe a laugh track on occasion, get the Barovia Globe Trotters to make a guest appearance, "let's see who Strahd REALLY is!"

Stephen Tannhauser

#12
May 30, 2021, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: Thornhammer on May 30, 2021, 09:51:43 PMGet some of the music, maybe a laugh track on occasion, get the Barovia Globe Trotters to make a guest appearance, "let's see who Strahd REALLY is!"

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Warder

#13
May 31, 2021, 04:56:02 AM
Wow, after the shit games like Warhammer 40k and Kult pulled, its dnd that end up literally corrupting the youth. I really woudnt think this possible even 10 years ago.

No consequences Ravenloft? Equals no interest in the new version excet as a cautionary tale.

JeffB

#14
May 31, 2021, 10:10:35 AM
Quote from: Thornhammer on May 30, 2021, 09:51:43 PM
Quote from: JeffB on May 30, 2021, 11:33:12 AM
Scooby Doo (the first two seasons, anyway) is awesome. I've enjoyed them all over again as an adult watching them with my kids.

If you get a group that doesn't take shit too seriously, doing a one-shot Ravenloft as Scooby Doo might be a lot of fun, especially if you really lay into it.

Get some of the music, maybe a laugh track on occasion, get the Barovia Globe Trotters to make a guest appearance, "let's see who Strahd REALLY is!"

;D

I do a pretty mean Scooby Doo impression!
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