Quote from: The Traveller;639926The only one that can't dissociate those two here is you, you cankered teste. Tell us again how maid is meant to be played.

Repeating the basics does get a mite tiresome, but since you asked so nicely...

The PCs are, by default, Maids employed by a Master in a Mansion, although there's no fixed genre and in practice any of those three Ms can be defined extremely loosely. This staff typically tries to earn Favour (which functions as XP, luck points, expendable resources, and social standing all rolled into one) by taking care of housework, maintaining a pleasantly romantic atmosphere, completing assigned missions, and (most critically) keeping their boss out of harm's way when the likes of time-travelling cyborg ninjas come knocking, losing an equivalent amount for failure in those duties, with the risk of getting dishonourably fired after falling to zero. They suffer increasing general penalties to all actions for being even slightly out of proper uniform, and track all harm (from hurt feelings to bodily injuries) as Stress, which may accumulate to the point of a Stress Explosion that temporarily prevents the characters from succeeding in any action which doesn't somehow involve their personal method of recuperation (anything from drinking binges to ceaseless prayer). The PCs cannot perish under the basic rules: once the Explosion has eliminated the Stress, they are back to normal again.

Beyond that, the details will vary from one game to the next according to randomness, player preference, and potentially prepared scenarios. However, it's safe to predict that in one way or another the play will always revolve around the "meido" concept as seen in anime and manga. Playing Roberta and Fabiola from Black Lagoon? Not a problem at all.

Quote from: The Traveller;639926So completely at random you've managed to become an expert in a movie that pretty much nobody here has ever heard of and brought it up as an example in your crusade to legitimise games like maid, you interferer with small furry animals?

I doubt that remembering which movies I've seen quite qualifies as "expertise": if Snow White and the Huntsman ever becomes relevant in a gaming discussion, I'll have the same benefit since that's what I watched last night. Besides, Moonrise Kingdom comes highly recommended by the library, and a quick look at their database shows nine current reservations left on the DVD even now.

Quote from: jeff37923;639929The Yann Waters/GrimGent, you forgot to include the rest of my statement in your quote of me.

I can't fail in something that wasn't my intention, which makes that part redundant. In any case, this thread and others like it have already amply demonstrated that some posters no doubt read "dominant/submissive sexual situations" into a far wider range of circumstances than I normally would.

Quote from: jeff37923;639931You fucking idiot, movies and RPGs are experienced differently. That is the key point here. Or can you not tell the difference between passively watching a movie and actively playing a character in a role-playing game?

And yet I constantly notice complaints around here about the lack of immersion in "storygames" and the so-called author stance. In that light, surely comparisons to writing a script would be appropriate? But frankly, even in a more traditional framework, the increased interactivity in the fiction by itself wouldn't seem to merit the sort of response that prevails in these discussions. After all, it is still fiction, and of a particularly abstract variety.

Quote from: jeff37923;639931They'd have a pretty fucking tough time doing it because it would be a railroad of a scenario.

As with any such adaptation, it's not exactly difficult to put together a timeline which the events will then follow unless the PCs interfere, as well as prepare the likeliest alternatives for when they do. The runaways even have a route planned, which should make it easier for the GM.

Quote from: The Yann Waters;639957I can't fail in something that wasn't my intention, which makes that part redundant.

So, if you do not like it, then it does not exist. Makes your championing of pedo-games far more understandable.

Quote from: The Yann Waters;639957And yet I constantly notice complaints around here about the lack of immersion in "storygames" and the so-called author stance. In that light, surely comparisons to writing a script would be appropriate? But frankly, even in a more traditional framework, the increased interactivity in the fiction by itself wouldn't seem to merit the sort of response that prevails in these discussions. After all, it is still fiction, and of a particularly abstract variety.

No. A movie or a story is not the same thing as a role-playing game.

Quote from: The Yann Waters;639957As with any such adaptation, it's not exactly difficult to put together a timeline which the events will then follow unless the PCs interfere, as well as prepare the likeliest alternatives for when they do. The runaways even have a route planned, which should make it easier for the GM.

Sure, you could force the square peg into a round hole, but it'll still be a railroad because a movie has to follow a script while a role-playing game is boring as shit when it does.

Well, the Con is over.  Didn't go as well as I'd have hoped (I thought for sure out of a few thousand gamers, more than 2 would have been interested in supporting the fight against cancer.  $20 for what I think is a cool looking shirt and everything goes to American Cancer Society?  Guess I was way off on that one).

But there were a lot of lessons learned where I could have done better.  Too bad my helpers had to back out, because having games run continuously in the game room accounts for about 3/4 of all sales, so I missed out on all of that.  On the good news front, I only smelled body odor two or three times, so there weren't very many Cat Piss Men around.  That was good.  And I met some good people.  But the best part?

It was this morning when an 11 year old boy came up to my booth, shyly at first, with one of my RPG books and both of my Choose Your Own Adventure books under his arm and was just gushing about how awesome they were.  Made the whole thing worth it.  No one is in this business to get rich, but if you can spur the imagination of a child and see that wonder on their face?

Totally worth it.

"Like".

Aww, ends with a happy ending and a child.
:cheerleader:

Quote from: Opaopajr;640009Aww, ends with a happy ending and a child.
:cheerleader:

Careful with that kind of language - we have Maid fans in the building.

Quote from: The Yann Waters;639452The title's basically a marketing gimmick ... that can admittedly end up giving the wrong impression.

YA THINK?!?

I argued with Jake about this, to no effect. The title keeps a pretty cool game in a niche of a niche, and results in threads like this one.

Quote from: Opaopajr;639824With Twilight moms and Bieber moms and Awkward and Teenwolf and 90210 and Ashley twins legal countdown website and underaged lingerie fashion models and boys on display Abercrombie and on and on, our culture doesn't really have much to stand on in comparison. Of course that's why there had to be a law.

As communities go, tabletop gamerdom is mercifully far tamer than pop culture.

Thanks for putting things in perspective.

...

*puts face in hands and weeps quietly in corner*

Quote from: jeff37923;639931You fucking idiot, movies and RPGs are experienced differently.

Inconsequential. The latter just reveals ones interests more accurately (and because of that acts as a better social filter).

Quote from: Sacrosanct;640006I thought for sure out of a few thousand gamers, more than 2 would have been interested in supporting the fight against cancer.  $20 for what I think is a cool looking shirt and everything goes to American Cancer Society?  Guess I was way off on that one.

Fuck you and your shitty shirt and you using cancer as a crutch for your fucking self rigorousness and petty ego. If the only thing moving your product is a deadly disease you may want to rethink your marketing as opposed to disparaging the moral fiber of those gamers who just weren't interested in your crap.

You know, while the pedophilia DOES bug me, I still find indie gamers who play (or at least own) those games to be far more fun, respectful, adaptable, insightful, and helpful than the folks into classic RPGs. There's a reason the D&D forum on RPG.net is a warzone, and it's largely because of D&D. So if you don't want non-gamers to get the wrong idea, maybe you should address THAT issue first.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;640047You know, while the pedophilia DOES bug me, I still find indie gamers who play (or at least own) those games to be far more fun, respectful, adaptable, insightful, and helpful than the folks into classic RPGs. There's a reason the D&D forum on RPG.net is a warzone, and it's largely because of D&D. So if you don't want non-gamers to get the wrong idea, maybe you should address THAT issue first.

As fun as it is to see you drive by every couple of months to drop your pronouncements on threads, if you're not enjoying it, maybe you should stop.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;640047You know, while the pedophilia DOES bug me, I still find indie gamers who play (or at least own) those games to be far more fun, respectful, adaptable, insightful, and helpful than the folks into classic RPGs. There's a reason the D&D forum on RPG.net is a warzone, and it's largely because of D&D. So if you don't want non-gamers to get the wrong idea, maybe you should address THAT issue first.

Well, yeah, in the sense that indie gamers who don't like D&D troll it. Usually passive-aggressively.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;640006Well, the Con is over.  Didn't go as well as I'd have hoped (I thought for sure out of a few thousand gamers, more than 2 would have been interested in supporting the fight against cancer.  $20 for what I think is a cool looking shirt and everything goes to American Cancer Society?  Guess I was way off on that one).

I'm against cancer, but I wouldn't buy your shirt, because I don't like it.

QuoteIt was this morning when an 11 year old boy came up to my booth, shyly at first, with one of my RPG books and both of my Choose Your Own Adventure books under his arm and was just gushing about how awesome they were.  Made the whole thing worth it.  No one is in this business to get rich, but if you can spur the imagination of a child and see that wonder on their face?

Totally worth it.

That's some win right there.

Quote from: One Horse Town;640044Careful with that kind of language - we have Maid fans in the building.

Sweet Jesus, it's sad to think people are chasing ghosts so bad we'd have to self-censor...

Quote from: jeff37923;639987So, if you do not like it, then it does not exist. Makes your championing of pedo-games far more understandable.

In case the dating/eloping comparisons didn't make it clear enough, I've been contrasting the attitudes towards Moonrise Kingdom to those earlier cries of outrage at that G x B thing. Maid doesn't really bring up dating except in one scenario which is all about helping your freshman master go out with the most popular girl at their school. For Panty Explosion... well, since Spinachcat already mentioned dating sims, I could probably have scrounged up some point of comparison from those.

As for Hot Guys Making Out, I couldn't say, since I've only seen the title in passing over at other forums.

Quote from: jeff37923;639987No. A movie or a story is not the same thing as a role-playing game.

Sure, you could force the square peg into a round hole, but it'll still be a railroad because a movie has to follow a script while a role-playing game is boring as shit when it does.

And yet any number of licensed RPGs based on movies and television shows exist out there.

Quote from: Opaopajr;640076Sweet Jesus, it's sad to think people are chasing ghosts so bad we'd have to self-censor...

'Twas but a joke, my friend.

Oh yes, of course. But many a truth told in jest.

Anyway, back to happier thoughts, like fighting cancer, inspired children, and clean air!