Quote from: Planet Algol;639717How many goddamn pedo-ish/-esque rpgs are there?

FUCK!

Quote from: Novastar;639744More than I ever realized, apparently.
...and that's just sad. :banghead:

Agreed.

What shocks me is the way some people casually handwave the pedo stuff with "because Japan," "because Anime" and variations thereof. The fact that this sort of retort is, has become, or is becoming main stream worries me a great deal.

Quote from: Benoist;639860What shocks me is the way some people casually handwave the pedo stuff with "because Japan," "because Anime" and variations thereof. The fact that this sort of retort is, has become, or is becoming main stream worries me a great deal.

Yes, the flippant nature of the responses is extremely troublesome.

Quote from: Benoist;639860What shocks me is the way some people casually handwave the pedo stuff with "because Japan," "because Anime" and variations thereof. The fact that this sort of retort is, has become, or is becoming main stream worries me a great deal.

All right, for a recent non-anime-related example of underage romance in media, how about the plot of Moonrise Kingdom? Acceptable in a film? Acceptable in a gaming scenario? And what makes the difference?

Quote from: The Yann Waters;639883All right, for a recent non-anime-related example of underage romance in media, how about the plot of Moonrise Kingdom? Acceptable in a film? Acceptable in a gaming scenario? And what makes the difference?

Well, right off the bat I'd have to say that the lack of murder condoms and "likes them young" characteristics and neckbeards playing sexually submissive underage girls makes it acceptable.

Plus, according to the Wikipedia entry, the underage characters in the movie just kiss. Nothing more.

Quote from: Planet Algol;639560This thread is depressing/creepy as fuck.

Yeah.

Good movie, complicated film. The cove scene with the children's frank sex talk and touching is cringeworthy, however. Nothing explicit, but yes, children do pick up queues about sex around them.

Their somewhat naive imitation of adults is an interesting but challenging topic. What do you do about precocious children? How to be a good parent, scout leader, role model, society for them?

But that's a different topic than game convention survival... Anyhoo, how's the convention stench? Bring air ionizer? Febreeze?

Quote from: jeff37923;639892Plus, according to the Wikipedia entry, the underage characters in the movie just kiss. Nothing more.

What more do you need? Going by the opinions voiced in this thread, even dating should be off-limits for underage characters, and yet here you have twelve-year-olds eloping to get married. So why doesn't that "pedo" stamp come out immediately for the screenwriter and everyone else involved in the production?

(Besides, the girl does at one point invite the boy to touch her breast, and then comments a little defensively that they'll probably grow more later. It is, of course, played for laughs.)

The aftermath of the cove scene is Bill Murray's dad character rushing their little tent screaming and lifting it up and off them. They were found inside and ended up embracing each other for comfort while facing the adults. But it's obviously insinuated that the adults are concerned about the daughter being 'compromised'. There's a lot of little things like that in the film. Complicated, occasionally uncomfortable, and yet entertaining.

Haven't a clue if it's related to any of those games, but whatever. Any new sales for Gamers for Cancer?

Quote from: The Yann Waters;639900What more do you need? Going by the opinions voiced in this thread, even dating should be off-limits for underage characters, and yet here you have twelve-year-olds eloping to get married. So why doesn't that "pedo" stamp come out immediately for the screenwriter and everyone else involved in the production?

(Besides, the girl does at one point invite the boy to touch her breast, and then comments a little defensively that they'll probably grow more later. It is, of course, played for laughs.)

I note with considerable distaste your in depth knowledge of this work. Particularly so given your endless and laughable defence of the likes of maid. The major difference between a fucked up cunt such as yourself and the rest of us is we can tell the difference between a coming of age story and pornography.

I know several female schoolkids from asian countries, due to community ties among other things, and they are just children like any other children. Not sexual objects, not kinky pornstars in the theatre of your mind, just kids. The idea of someone like you stoutly defending the blatant fetishism of these children brings a red tint to my vision.

Quote from: The Yann Waters;639900What more do you need? Going by the opinions voiced in this thread, even dating should be off-limits for underage characters, and yet here you have twelve-year-olds eloping to get married. So why doesn't that "pedo" stamp come out immediately for the screenwriter and everyone else involved in the production?

(Besides, the girl does at one point invite the boy to touch her breast, and then comments a little defensively that they'll probably grow more later. It is, of course, played for laughs.)

You are trying to make a slippery slope arguement, but the fact is that your movie example does not work because it isn't a RPG and it doesn't overtly sexualize underage girls and boys. Sorry, but you have failed to make adults role-playing at being children beneath the age of consent in a dominant-submissive sexual situation any less pedophilic.

Quote from: The Traveller;639905I note with considerable distaste your in depth knowledge of this work. Particularly so given your endless and laughable defence of the likes of maid. The major difference between a fucked up cunt such as yourself and the rest of us is we can tell the difference between a coming of age story and pornography.

Practically every review I've read has brought up that scene as hilarious. And did I mention anything about Moonrise Kingdom being "pornography"? No, because it clearly isn't anything of the sort. However, I'm certainly getting the impression that any number of posters in this thread can't dissociate romance and sex: why else would they be so vocally committed to ranting about games which involve the dreaded R-word?

And for the record, I picked up the DVD from the library like I do with the majority of their new acquisitions. No, it has nothing to do with treating anyone as "sexual objects" or "kinky pornstars". My apologies if being part of the local hivemind would require relentless rage over fanservice in anime and manga.

Quote from: jeff37923;639919You are trying to make a slippery slope arguement, but the fact is that your movie example does not work because it isn't a RPG and it doesn't overtly sexualize underage girls and boys.

If dating inevitably sexualizes characters, then eloping can't possibly do any less. If eloping doesn't necessarily sexualize characters, then dating won't either.

Movies aren't RPGs, that much is true. However, they both build on similar fictional premises. If someone were to adapt the script of Moonrise Kingdom into a scenario for, say, Monsters and Other Childish Things, what would your reaction be then?

Quote from: The Yann Waters;639921However, I'm certainly getting the impression that any number of posters in this thread can't dissociate romance and sex

The only one that can't dissociate those two here is you, you cankered teste. Tell us again how maid is meant to be played.

Quote from: The Yann Waters;639921And for the record, I picked up the DVD from the library like I do with the majority of their new acquisitions.

So completely at random you've managed to become an expert in a movie that pretty much nobody here has ever heard of and brought it up as an example in your crusade to legitimise games like maid, you interferer with small furry animals?

The Yann Waters/GrimGent, you forgot to include the rest of my statement in your quote of me.

Quote from: jeff37923;639919Sorry, but you have failed to make adults role-playing at being children beneath the age of consent in a dominant-submissive sexual situation any less pedophilic.

Quote from: The Yann Waters;639921Movies aren't RPGs, that much is true. However, they both build on similar fictional premises.

You fucking idiot, movies and RPGs are experienced differently. That is the key point here. Or can you not tell the difference between passively watching a movie and actively playing a character in a role-playing game?

Quote from: The Yann Waters;639921If someone were to adapt the script of Moonrise Kingdom into a scenario for, say, Monsters and Other Childish Things, what would your reaction be then?

They'd have a pretty fucking tough time doing it because it would be a railroad of a scenario.