Quote from: The Traveller;639590The previous comments were directed towards an individual who has attempted to excuse maid's 'seduce a nine year old' with translation error, despite the fact that the translator is a native English speaker.

"Seduction" in that case isn't so much an error as a possibly flawed choice of words, in that it's nowhere near as literal as it might sound out of context. Simply put, in Maid it's the term for overwhelming someone emotionally so that they'll do what you ask as long as the relationship remains intact: charming them to your side, essentially. "Enticement" would apparently have been the strictest translation.

Quote from: The Traveller;639590Ghost in the Shell, Fullmetal Alchemist, Black Lagoon, all completely devoid of the underwear of minors, and yet some people gravitate towards the nasty stuff and THEN feel obliged to evangelise their proclivities.

Winry in FMA does wind up shown in skimpy clothing for fanservice, though, while Black Lagoon features the "fan disservice" (to use the tvtropism) twins who seem to have been twisted by sexual abuse, as well as the mini-maid who harbours tender feelings towards her master.

Japan won the war, folks, just like The South. We'll all have to cope now...
Discuss.
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(or we could all, y'know, go back on topic? )

Quote from: GeekEclectic;639591If you can demonstrate it, do so. Otherwise, your opinion means nothing.

Quote from: GeekEclectic;639593Wait, that was actually in Maid? Like for real? Yeah, . . . that's messed up for sure.

I think you really need to research some of the shit you are defending here. For your own good.

so G+G apparently stands for "girl on girl", because hey, who doesn't want to play a RPG where you're a 13 year old girl having sexual relations with other children?  And I was mistaken about "Hot Guys Making Out". I thought the cover was a naked 20 year old embracing a naked women.  Nope, that's a young boy he's embracing.

Seriously, the fact that these exist and are sold openly, let alone are very popular, makes me question if this is a hobby I should be part of any more

The homosexuality doesn't bother me so much as the youth of the characters does in the games.  That middle-aged guys want to play this just tells me that I don't want those middle-aged guys in any of my games.

Quote from: jeff37923;639704The homosexuality doesn't bother me so much as the youth of the characters does in the games.  That middle-aged guys want to play this just tells me that I don't want those middle-aged guys in any of my games.

I don't care about the homosexual aspect either.  But role-playing sexual scenarios as kids, regardless of orientation, is fucked up

Quote from: Sacrosanct;639706I don't care about the homosexual aspect either.  But role-playing sexual scenarios as kids, regardless of orientation, is fucked up

Agreed.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;639703Seriously, the fact that these exist and are sold openly, let alone are very popular, makes me question if this is a hobby I should be part of any more

It's not unlikely that the coagulation of fans you saw were more drawn by the cash in hand nature of conventions, I'd wager not a one of them paid with a credit card. This stuff isn't sold in any FLGS I've ever come across.

How many goddamn pedo-ish/-esque rpgs are there?

FUCK!

Quote from: The Traveller;639714It's not unlikely that the coagulation of fans you saw were more drawn by the cash in hand nature of conventions, I'd wager not a one of them paid with a credit card. This stuff isn't sold in any FLGS I've ever come across.

most of them have that, "I just printed this in my garage" appearance, so you're probably right.  However, the IPR booth has been selling a lot of Maid

Quote from: Planet Algol;639717How many goddamn pedo-ish/-esque rpgs are there?

FUCK!

More than I ever realized, apparently.
...and that's just sad. :banghead:

I was fortunate to have dinner last month with a group of writers (a group with a wide range of success and failure) and we were talking about the oddness of TV teen sexuality.

There have been many TV shows about teens over the years, many of them with characters designed to be sexually desirable to the audience. Almost always, these characters are played by actresses who are older than 18, often over 21.

Vampire Diaries, Veronica Mars, Glee, etc..

Its a strange dictomy in society. You can be an adult fan of one of these shows, watch because you are attracted to (perhaps titillated by) a character in high school and its all good because the actress is legal age. It's odd.

Also, YA literature is often quite sexual, dealing with adolescent feelings and their romantic fumblings. But YA lit has certainly crossed over into adult mainstream reading (aka Harry Potter, Twilight, etc) so there isn't a social stigma of an adult reading what would have been a "kid's book" years ago.

The fans of the books or TV shows are not reviled as "pedos", but it is interesting if the same concept is translated into a RPG, it is seen as inappropriate.

Is it the presumed age of the players? Would it be fine if teen girls played Maid or Panty Explosion? What about teen boys? Is it gender and age issues of the players that make these games seem "pedo"?

We know there are many "dating sims" as video games, and I wonder if we will see a game akin to Maid or PE become an online option. I wonder what the general response will be? Will video gamers see this as "pedo" or just another "dating sim" game with psychic and supernatural elements?

Quote from: Sacrosanct;639742most of them have that, "I just printed this in my garage" appearance, so you're probably right.  However, the IPR booth has been selling a lot of Maid

Honestly, I'm in the wrong jurisdiction to do it myself, but I don't know why people aren't writing complaints to law enforcement about the artwork and the possible use of these things for grooming. Let your taxes do the work, I say.

It's akin to Spinachcat's comment, but Yaoi (gay) manga often works on the butch v. femme dichotomy trope. The reserved pretty twink meets the forward lusty butch and fantasy explodes. Age difference is usually not that large at all, with both usually out of high school and often with kids already married or something. The things I learned of subculture from anime/anthromorph fangirls...

Anyway, there's a chance that Guy on Guy might be working off that trope and that one is projecting one is a young boy. Could be just a twenty-something twink? They exist, too.

Doesn't really matter. With Twilight moms and Bieber moms and Awkward and Teenwolf and 90210 and Ashley twins legal countdown website and underaged lingerie fashion models and boys on display Abercrombie and on and on, our culture doesn't really have much to stand on in comparison. Of course that's why there had to be a law.

As communities go, tabletop gamerdom is mercifully far tamer than pop culture.

Quote from: Spinachcat;639812There have been many TV shows about teens over the years, many of them with characters designed to be sexually desirable to the audience. Almost always, these characters are played by actresses who are older than 18, often over 21.

Incidentally, the TV Tropes entry on this "Dawson Casting" points out various reasons why that is so, including the fanservice factor but also the scarcity of properly competent teenage actors. It later goes on to remark: "The Creek was not the worst offender. That title might well go to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where the tenth-graders (16-year-olds) were played by Nicholas Brendon as Xander (25), Alyson Hannigan as Willow (22) and Charisma Carpenter (26, making Carpenter the same age as her teacher played by Robia LaMorte)."