JD makes a comment about how rape is an awesome plot device and makes pictures of dick animals.  Result?  He must be wiped off the face of the planet and never get work again.

Other people write RPGs about raping kids.  The result?  Ranging from "It's OK as long as no real kids are being raped" to "It's a fucking awesome game."


Am I really the only one here to find this messed up?

Quote from: Sacrosanct;642081Am I really the only one here to find this messed up?

You're not, but what's new with the "do as we say, not as we do" crowd?

Quote from: Sacrosanct;642081Other people write RPGs about raping kids.  The result?  Ranging from "It's OK as long as no real kids are being raped" to "It's a fucking awesome game."

Am I really the only one here to find this messed up?

Eh don't forget the 'report it to the FBI' brigade, with a member in good standing present.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;642081Am I really the only one here to find this messed up?

Absolutely not.

Excuse me, are you insinuating anything actionable against my character again, Traveller? Especially since I called you out last time for coloring me with libelous labels?
:nono:

Quote from: Sacrosanct;642081JD makes a comment about how rape is an awesome plot device and makes pictures of dick animals.  Result?  He must be wiped off the face of the planet and never get work again.

Nobody has yet addressed the use of rape of children and/or willing sexual activity by characters in 'A Game of Thrones'.  Is anyone willing to concede that an RPG can include some 'disturbing elements' without the players automatically being labelled as sickos?  One major advantage of an RPG over, say, a computer game, is that it can be adapted to any 'scenario' that the players and GM feel like exploring.  While that's not what I look for in my gaming, (I'm on record as preferring heroic fantasy), I'm not going to automatically fault players for 'unusual taste'.  

There's a difference between getting off on pedophilia and including it as an element in a game.  There's a difference between getting off on evil acts and playing a game where the players are the villains...  There's a difference between a fictional scenario and real life...  

If the players and GM at a particular table would like to explore the shades of gray with a heroic character with dark tendencies (which, in my opinion is totally legitimate), I don't automatically fault them.  Not everyone is comfortable with shades of gray - but that's what's on the big screen these days.  Iron Man isn't just a morally upright hero.  He's also kind of a dick.  So if a character wants to play a drug addict that is trying to save the world but can't resist the next hit; or a priest that is trying to do the right thing but can't resist his alter server - I'm not going to approve, but I will withhold judgement.  Unless I'm at the table and know exactly what's going on, I think that's fair.  

Quote from: Sacrosanct;642081Other people write RPGs about raping kids.  The result?  Ranging from "It's OK as long as no real kids are being raped" to "It's a fucking awesome game."

Or, you know, like I said: it's distasteful.  But you know, keep talking about it.  You'll make sure that this website is considered a good place to go to find out about the latest sicko games.  This is already the best play to learn about Maid and Hot Guys Making Out.  So, you know, keep on telling people why the games are abhorrent - then people that like those aspects will keep coming here and they'll learn all about the games you don't like and decide to pick them up.  It's a form of reverse marketing.  It's effective, I suppose.  So, if you're really indignant about these games, why do you keep publicizing them?  

Quote from: Sacrosanct;642081Am I really the only one here to find this messed up?

No.  Clearly no.  You're just the ring-leader of the ones failing to actually do one single productive thing to disassociate these types of games from our hobby.

Deadmanwalking, I think you are really reaching here. There is definitely something seriously creepy, pervie and pedo about the game in question....and sacro's argument is spot on. This game isn't dealing with a real issue in a serious way, its celebrating it (at the very least doesn't seem to get that its a roblem).

If people want to continue to talk about whether the game is creepy that is fine, but if you want to be a child porn apologist take it somewhere else (and I am not talking about questioning whether a game cover qualifies, I am talking about people sayings its okay if they are cartoons or if no one is hurt). I am going to close this thread if that happens. Keep it about games.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;642127Nobody has yet addressed the use of rape of children and/or willing sexual activity by characters in 'A Game of Thrones'.  Is anyone willing to concede that an RPG can include some 'disturbing elements' without the players automatically being labelled as sickos?  One major advantage of an RPG over, say, a computer game, is that it can be adapted to any 'scenario' that the players and GM feel like exploring.  While that's not what I look for in my gaming, (I'm on record as preferring heroic fantasy), I'm not going to automatically fault players for 'unusual taste'.  

For someone who keeps saying, "It's not my personal taste", you are going a long way to make excuses for this stuff, and more importantly continue to ignore over and over again key factors.  You kept ignoring what the cover actually depicted, and now you're continuing to ignore what people have said several times the difference between something like GoT, and a game where a key aspect is the players being the ones acting out the rape of children.  Bad things can be part of an overall plot, but that's a WILD difference than being someone who actively fantasizes about it.

QuoteThere's a difference between getting off on pedophilia and including it as an element in a game.  There's a difference between getting off on evil acts and playing a game where the players are the villains...  There's a difference between a fictional scenario and real life...  

Newsflash.  Actual children being raped isn't the line where something becomes abhorrent.  Fantasizing about raping and/or abusing children is also abhorrent.  End.  Stop.

QuoteIf the players and GM at a particular table would like to explore the shades of gray with a heroic character with dark tendencies (which, in my opinion is totally legitimate), I don't automatically fault them.  Not everyone is comfortable with shades of gray - but that's what's on the big screen these days.  Iron Man isn't just a morally upright hero.  He's also kind of a dick.  So if a character wants to play a drug addict that is trying to save the world but can't resist the next hit; or a priest that is trying to do the right thing but can't resist his alter server - I'm not going to approve, but I will withhold judgement.  Unless I'm at the table and know exactly what's going on, I think that's fair.  

Iron man doesn't fantasize about sexually abusing children either.  You seriously are trying to make this as an equal comparison?  That begs the question, since you continue to do this, "What the fuck is wrong with you?"

QuoteOr, you know, like I said: it's distasteful.  But you know, keep talking about it.  You'll make sure that this website is considered a good place to go to find out about the latest sicko games.  This is already the best play to learn about Maid and Hot Guys Making Out.  So, you know, keep on telling people why the games are abhorrent - then people that like those aspects will keep coming here and they'll learn all about the games you don't like and decide to pick them up.  It's a form of reverse marketing.  It's effective, I suppose.  So, if you're really indignant about these games, why do you keep publicizing them?  

Yeah, the ol "if you're complaining about it, it just makes it more successful, so you should just keep quiet."

You're really coming off as an apologist here.  Child sexploitation should never be ignored.  Do you get it?  Never.  This is not a gray area.  Fantasizing about child sexploitation should never be ignored, and if I seem worked up about, it's because I happen to think that sexploitation of children is one of those things worth getting riled up about.

I know that might have been cross-posted with Brendan, but frankly i don't care.

Good luck with selling your t-shirts Sac.

However, this thread has long since gone beyond saving.

Feel free to start another thread about RPG charity work.