Who and When?
Everyone knows that Who's on first.
What's on second.
Are PF1e and PF2e incompatible?
Also, I thought the whole 3.X 3PP crew were the PF1e support.
We'll know in 6 months how the PF1e community feels about the changes.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1097967Are PF1e and PF2e incompatible?
Also, I thought the whole 3.X 3PP crew were the PF1e support.
We'll know in 6 months how the PF1e community feels about the changes.
They are different games. Not compatible. No conversion assistance offered by Paizo.
Quote from: Razor 007;1097976They are different games. Not compatible. No conversion assistance offered by Paizo.
What do you want to convert? Maybe we can brain storm something for you.
Quote from: Razor 007;1097976They are different games. Not compatible. No conversion assistance offered by Paizo.
Not that they really promised that Pf 2E was going to be with Pf 1E and were upfront about it from the very beginning that Pf 2E was released.
As to the OP yes though not in the same amount we saw for Pf1E as many 3PP will focus on PF2E first and PF 1e second.
Quote from: sureshot;1097980Not that they really promised that Pf 2E was going to be with Pf 1E and were upfront about it from the very beginning that Pf 2E was released.
As to the OP yes though not in the same amount we saw for Pf1E as many 3PP will focus on PF2E first and PF 1e second.
I just think there is a void there, that a crafty publisher could fill. They could do to Paizo, what Paizo did to WOTC.
Just think of all the awesome forum threads which would be soon to follow such an effort.
Possible names for such a product offering:
Evergreen 3.5+
3rd Edition Forever
Pathforward, the RPG
Morefinder, the RPG
No More New Editions, the RPG
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/238023
Apparently Purple Duck Games is doing what Paizo did to 3.5 with Pathfinder 1E.
Though the name needs to go. My first hit on google with Porphyra is cold water seaweed. Somehow Cold water Seaweed the rpg to me at least is not the greatest name for a product.
Quote from: sureshot;1098007https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/238023
Apparently Purple Duck Games is doing what Paizo did to 3.5 with Pathfinder 1E.
Though the name needs to go. My first hit on google with Porphyra is cold water seaweed. Somehow Cold water Seaweed the rpg to me at least is not the greatest name for a product.
Makes me think of Porphyria. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porphyria)
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Will the desire to stick with 3.0/3.5/Pathfinder be as widespread as when WOTC switched to 4th edition? I don't think so. I think that Pathfinder was a particularly unique set of circumstances (The OGL, WOTC making drastic changes with 4th ed, Paizo having the resources and set up to launch a set of rules at a rather high level of production quality, etc.) And the ship has mostly sailed on 3rd ed now. Most players are probably either playing 5th ed, or sticking with Pathfinder 1st, or switching to 2nd ed.
Why is no one hyping the most obvious contender: SJWfinder the RPG (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?40528-Since-PF-is-open-gaming-content-let-s-create-SJWfinder-the-RPG!!!)!
Having now purchased and read (half read half skim) PF2, I think the concern was highly over-inflated.
This is a fine game. The refinements are cool. It will play faster than PF1, makes more sense, and is more consistent.
I think once people unclench their buttholes they will find a great game that will give them all the PF(ery) goodness they always loved.
Once again, our imaginations far overstepped reality (I too was worried...). Which is not unusual for a bunch of RPGers. :-D
To Wit: There won't be much. The smart money is on supporting PF2. All it really needs is a couple hot fan-made character sheets.
Quote from: Razor 007;1097997I just think there is a void there, that a crafty publisher could fill.
I see what you did there. (https://www.crafty-games.com/) ;)
Quote from: Shasarak;1098016Why is no one hyping the most obvious contender: SJWfinder the RPG (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?40528-Since-PF-is-open-gaming-content-let-s-create-SJWfinder-the-RPG!!!)!
Because S&W isn't PF compatible? (It amuses me how their attempts to be the SJW RPG are being airbrushed from history because Bill Webb is a creeper. As if both aren't possible, and indeed, common)
3rd-party has already formed for PF2.
Why wouldn't they?
Quote from: trechriron;1098019Having now purchased and read (half read half skim) PF2, I think the concern was highly over-inflated.
This is a fine game. The refinements are cool. It will play faster than PF1, makes more sense, and is more consistent.
I think once people unclench their buttholes they will find a great game that will give them all the PF(ery) goodness they always loved.
Once again, our imaginations far overstepped reality (I too was worried...). Which is not unusual for a bunch of RPGers. :-D
To Wit: There won't be much. The smart money is on supporting PF2. All it really needs is a couple hot fan-made character sheets.
I've skimmed no less than 3 RPGs this weekend that are also fine if not better.
"Fine" RPGs with pretty books at high build quality are plentiful. What Paizo will do is support their product. That's the unique factor.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1098170What Paizo will do is support their product.
Looks like they'll be supporting the shit out of it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/clnu15/paizo_gencon_announcements/
Way more material than WotC put out for 5E in its first year.
Question whats is even the diferance in pf2e???????????????????
Quote from: kosmos1214;1098173Question whats is even the diferance in pf2e???????????????????
https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?40838-Pathfinder-2-Electric-Boogaloo&p=1097918&viewfull=1#post1097918
I'd love to see more support for Palladium Fantasy 1e, or even 2e.
Quote from: Shasarak;1097964Everyone knows that Who's on first.
Quote from: jeff37923;1097966What's on second.
When takes it in the ass. And Don's into vampirism.
On a more serious note, I would love to see more third-party support for PF 1E.
Especially if someone made a deliberately "un-woke" third-party setting based on the PF1 rules.
Convert, young Skywalker. Only now do you realize the power of the Dark Side.
PF2 is the place for you.
Quote from: The_Shadow;1098190I'd love to see more support for Palladium Fantasy 1e, or even 2e.
With Palladium Books being very backwards and no version of an OGL in place with the company. As well as the system no longer being as popular with the fans it will not happen.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1098189https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?40838-Pathfinder-2-Electric-Boogaloo&p=1097918&viewfull=1#post1097918
Ill dig more when i have a bit more time but if the enworld links are the crux of your anwser they be dead.
Quote from: kosmos1214;1098995Ill dig more when i have a bit more time but if the enworld links are the crux of your anwser they be dead.
they should work now
The main hurdles for the serious competition is going to be imo"
Production values. Pathfinder 1E has some decent production values and any serious competition is going to need to have as good if not better imo.
A reason to convert over or at the very release by the new support in large numbers. Purple Duck Studios seems to be the only one hampered by a truly terrible name for their rpg. When translated amounts to coldwater seaweed the rpg. It is nice to be different not when it just sounds weird and well named after coldwater seaweed.
Rpg gamers are notoriously fucking cheap. In same case being cheaper than cheap. They will demand PF 1E support in the same amount as Paizo yet not expect to pay a dime or expect that it cost the same when they last entered a LGS. Which was probably sometime in 1980.
More importantly capital and the enough of it to hire the proper people to draw, create, and print the rpg.
Quote from: The_Shadow;1098190I'd love to see more support for Palladium Fantasy 1e, or even 2e.
The Rifters have done a decent job supporting 2e.
I had hoped Palladium would have put out a 30th anniversary version of PF 1e and allowed fan support. There are plenty of us would love to support 1e.
I would love to see an open license like the OGL for Palladium Books various lPs it simply will not happen not Kevin running the show. An opportunity lost as Kevin takes every opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Rifts 30th anniversary is approaching soon and they can't even release the Rifts Bestiary on time which was mostly copy and paste. I just don't think collectively as a whole the company has a willingness to try domething.
Meanwhile Savage Rifts and Torg Eternity are takomg away sales and fans.
Quote from: Theory of Games;1098254Convert, young Skywalker. Only now do you realize the power of the Dark Side.
PF2 is the place for you.
No. Pathfinder 2E is Not the place for me. I Don't like building characters via Feats. That's what 2E is all about.
Feats remind me of super heroes, and that's not what I want in a medieval fantasy game. Wrong genre emulation for me.
I prefer to build my characters using chuzwazlers, apple cores and rusty spoons to get that true medieval feeling.
Quote from: Razor 007;1099722I want in a medieval fantasy game. Wrong genre emulation for me.
What medieval fantasy game? Sorry D&D is not it. Not unless one can show me a textbook on medieval history where gnolls, beholders and dragons actually existed.
Ars Magica and Pundits Lion and Dragon are somewhat close. Standard D&D never was is or ever will be a medieval fantasy. Fantasy to be sure yet none of the editions of the rpg marketed themselves as medieval fantasy. If anything D&D is the opposite. Yes one can try to emulate a medieval fantasy setting to be sure. Its defaut is not medieval fantasy imo.
Quote from: sureshot;1099763What medieval fantasy game? Sorry D&D is not it. Not unless one can show me a textbook on medieval history where gnolls, beholders and dragons actually existed.
Ars Magica and Pundits Lion and Dragon are somewhat close. Standard D&D never was is or ever will be a medieval fantasy. Fantasy to be sure yet none of the editions of the rpg marketed themselves as medieval fantasy. If anything D&D is the opposite. Yes one can try to emulate a medieval fantasy setting to be sure. Its defaut is not medieval fantasy imo.
Hey, stop pissing on my favorite pumpkin!!!
Quote from: Razor 007;1099798Hey, stop pissing on my favorite pumpkin!!!
But is it okay for us to wee on your second-favorite pumpkin?
Quote from: dar;1099709they should work now
Thank you.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1099820But is it okay for us to wee on your second-favorite pumpkin?
Yes. Yes you may.