I'm sorry, but I was dying to use that picture.

Quote from: Abyssal MawWell, yes. Exactly. I've answered your self-serving vitriolic lies with ones that are absolutely and equally true and verifiable. It's reciprocation.

Hrm?  Which lies of mine would these be?

Would these be when I lied by using Andy as a ventriloquists dummy and making him say that he had played D&D with folks of odious personal habits (which, I assume, you think could NEVER actually happen)?  Or was it something else?

Again ... just because you say that I've lied doesn't make it true.  If you're operating on the old notion that "A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth," then I hope that people will disappoint you by being a bit more discerning than you expect.

Quote from: Abyssal MawWhere you see "black face" I see someone wearing bodypaint who wanted to be in a costume contest. You brought race in. YOU put it there. Then you condemned the person for an imagined racial wrong. Then you got angry on the behalf of an entire group you don't even belong to.

There's a term for that.. imagining a racial issue where none exists. What was it again...?

Dude, you're really, seriously, talking about this thread?  The one where people said, basically, "Wow, given the history of blackface, that made me uncomfortable.  People could get offended," and then folks said "Yeah, but this really isn't a venue for talking about racial politics" and everyone said "Yeah.  Fair 'nuff"?

That's your big race-baiting episode?  LOL. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Abyssal MawOk, so back to drow elves:

First of all: they come from norse mythology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svartalfar

Svartalfar were basically dwarves, not dark-skinned evil elves with white hair.

-O

Quote from: obrynSvartalfar were basically dwarves, not dark-skinned evil elves with white hair.

As "Dock-Alfar", that's what they still are in Nobilis.

Maybe Pokethulhu has Alf-Alfar, cat-eating faeries from OUTER SPACE.

QuoteSvartalfar were basically dwarves, not dark-skinned evil elves with white hair.

Alfs, Elfs, Alben, Elben, Alfen, Elfen, Nachtalben, etc. all
relate to small magical beings.

Dwarf and elf are not easily seperated in germanic mythology.

The Dwarf (small beard, treasure) from the Nibelungen Epic, is called Alberich, which means: King of the Elves (Friedrich means "King of Peace" etc. it's the same root as the old indian "Raja" or latin rex, one of the cornerstones of  indo-germanic language heritage)

Quote from: SettembriniMy experiences say otherwise.

What is the point of talking to you, then? :confused: As I'm only interested in talking about games, gaming and such, and I am not interested in helping anyone to feel like a hero in some imaginary war, I don't think that anything constructive or interesting can come out of a dialogue in which I'm going to find sniping attacks every few posts.

Well, I've answered my own question.

Quote from: RPGPunditI'll gladly "stop the cult thing" the day that the Forge members stop acting like they're in a cult.

I am amazed that you allow other person's behaviour to have such an impact in your own life. Sincerely. The impact on my hobby of Ron Edwards statements have been exactly zero, other than the excellent game that is Sorcerer (IMO).

So, as some members of the Forge (I haven't been at The Forge enough to identify any, or how many of them are) may act that way, you automatically make the assumption that:
(a) the 7224 members of The Forge (at this moment) are all part of the cult, and
(b) they have some occult powers of hobby - subversion, that will melt the gamers' brains (despite the fact that most gamers don't use Internet messageboards, so the indie message will probably be under their radar), and that unholy poweras will in the end cause the police to break into your house, and burn your D&D books, forcing you to play MLWM until you die screaming.

Well, if I accepted that assumptions as true, I would be fucking scared. You better make copies of all your RPG books, just in case.

Quote from: RPGPunditLike when Ron Edwards said gamers were brain damaged, and you had half a dozen forgies tripping over themselves in a desperate rush to be the first to cry out "YES YES!! I AM brain damaged!! You have seen the truth about my despicable self yet again o brilliant one!! Your grace is immeasurable!!"

Like when you say that if a person don't accept D20 as the best game design ever is deluded or probably a Swine. Man, you're a big hypocrite. And on the people crying 'Hallelujah!' and gospel and so... well, what does it matter? If they really think that they were damaged and now they're better, good for them. That is not going to cause WotC to crush, or something. That has an impact only on the lives of that persons, not on yours. But hey, if you're into feeling threatened by other's people behaviour, good for you.

Quote from: RPGPunditAs long as they're trying to turn my hobby into their story-hobby, it is a war. The forgeites love to play innocent about it, claim persecution even, as they filter into every message board and slowly force all conversation to accept forgespeak-as-truth, and then to accept forge-theories as truth.

Those cunning forgeites! Filtering slowly to the top levels of gaming!

Pundit, do you realize that you sound like a friggin' loon? Man, you're the Dan Brown of gaming! There are millions of gamers out there, most of them are not in Internet. Most of them don't go to cons. You make sound the indie publishers as the Illuminati.

Now that I'm thinking about it, Mike Mearls owns and plays several indie games, and thinks quite well of them. They probably have filtered to the top levels of WotC! Oh my god, they probably have killed Mike Mearls and Ryan Dancey, and have put evil clones of them to make the next D&D edition a Narrativist one! Ron Edwards will be the power behind the throne...

...and Vince Baker will become the Prresident of the USA, and ban any non-Forgeite game of the world, invading any country that allow traditional gaming. Spain will be the first.

Quote from: RPGPunditThis is a war. And theRPGsite is the place where I intend to stand firmly against the influence of Forge-theory and forge-games.

Man, I'm sure you jerk off every morning thinking of you as a hero, and of this site as El Alamo, or some crap like that. I hear the fapping from here. But you don't need to do that, seriously. There are many other boards that don't care about indie games out there. I think of ENWorld, WotC boards, and many others. You haven't been banned of all that, have you?

Quote from: RPGPunditThis is one moderator you won't be able to subvert or bribe the way you did the ones of other sites.

Please, explain to us how that is done. I'm serious about that. How are moderators in other sites bribed or subverted?

Quote from: RPGPunditThis is one place the traditional gamer will be able to go to talk about games without being forced to talk in Forgese

How exactly are people forced to talk in Forgese? I don't talk in Forgese, and haven't perceived any force trying to make me do so. But maybe my tinfoil hat protects me from the Forge Mental Control Ray.

Please, answer these simple questions.

Quote from: ImperatorMan, I'm sure you jerk off every morning thinking of you as a hero, and of this site as El Alamo, or some crap like that. I hear the fapping from here.

Dude, chill the fuck out.

If Pundit wants to make a board that firmly represents traditional game-play, and builds a theoretical basis for gaming that is grounded in that then COOL!  That's a damn fine goal.

Agree with him or disagree with him on his opinion of the Forge, the goal he's actually espousing sounds unambiguously noble.

And, frankly, even if he were saying that his goal was to destroy the Forge and all who post there, you can't get from there to hero-complex, much less masturbation.

Why would you even go to that sort of groundless ad hominem attack?  Are you unable to meet his arguments in fair, reasoned discourse?

Hi Tony:

You're right, of course, and I was wrong. That was totally pointless and quite childless. I apologize for it.

Quote from: TonyLBWhy would you even go to that sort of groundless ad hominem attack?  Are you unable to meet his arguments in fair, reasoned discourse?

Hey, I thought it was amusing.  It gets the Obryn Stamp of Approval!

This is the fucking Internet.  It's all about the ad-hominem attacks.

-O

I happen to take RPGPundit's essays with a fair bit of salt myselt.  I read them for the rants.  A passionate, well-executed rant may lack subtlety at times.  But boy howdy can it be entertaining.  One thing in favour of the Pundit's style is that he never whines.  Bile, yes.  Vitriol, sure.  Edging on overblown raving, sometimes.  Yet there's usually a cogent point made amid the fire and brimstone.  The sturm und drang just provides some stylistic colour.

Andrew

Quote from: SamarkandI happen to take RPGPundit's essays with a fair bit of salt myselt.  I read them for the rants.  A passionate, well-executed rant may lack subtlety at times.  But boy howdy can it be entertaining.  One thing in favour of the Pundit's style is that he never whines.  Bile, yes.  Vitriol, sure.  Edging on overblown raving, sometimes.  Yet there's usually a cogent point made amid the fire and brimstone.  The sturm und drang just provides some stylistic colour.

Andrew

A good analysis, Andrew.

RPGPundit

Quote from: SamarkandI happen to take RPGPundit's essays with a fair bit of salt myselt.  I read them for the rants.  A passionate, well-executed rant may lack subtlety at times.  But boy howdy can it be entertaining.  One thing in favour of the Pundit's style is that he never whines.  Bile, yes.  Vitriol, sure.  Edging on overblown raving, sometimes.  Yet there's usually a cogent point made amid the fire and brimstone.  The sturm und drang just provides some stylistic colour.

Andrew

I think he can make sense and make some good points when he isn't talking about his deranged conspiracy theories.  For fuck's sake, the RPG industry isn't big or important enough to be subverted.  When he gets going he makes me think of Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory with his eyelids taped back yelling "See!  I was right!  I was right!"

His posts would be a lot more interesting if he'd leave that crap out of them.

The ranting is why I read Pundit's stuff in the first place. He's like the Lewis Black of gaming.