I don't know if it's like this at every Barnes and Noble, but all the ones around here it's the same thing. I go to the RPG section and see Dungeons and Dragons, Pathfinder, and...Zweihander?
How does Zweihander merit a place as the only other game alongside the two biggest games out there? There may be a random one off copy of some other game at a particular B&N location, but Zweihander is almost always right there next to the big two.
This is not a knock against it, I have no idea if it's a good game or not. But Zweihander is barely a blip on the RPG radar screen AFAIK. Even actual Warhammer usually isn't on the shelves of B&N. I would have though a company like Barnes and Noble (big box store, not specifically geared toward RPGs) would only give shelf space to the biggest names.
Is Zweihander actually super popular (moreso than a dozen other games I can think of off the top of my head that I thought were bigger) and I just haven't gotten the memo? I mean, props to DF for getting on the shelf, I'm just wondering how it happened.
The publisher is actually a normal industry publisher so they have a bigger foothold in the market, and as such can get copies of Zweihander in normal bookstores. They publish all sorts of stuff, including IIRC Calvin and Hobbes. I believe that Fox worked there, and that was how he got them to publish his game, but I may not be recalling the entire story.
Fox is ...a piece of work.
Quote from: S'mon on June 20, 2023, 04:06:49 PM
Fox is ...a piece of work.
Yes, but a very effective one. There are not many companies that could achieve this.
More info:
Quote from: comicbook.comAndrews McMeel Publishing has reportedly shuttered its RPG division, canceling the contract of at least one upcoming project. Yesterday, Tanya DePass and B. Dave Walters announced that Andrews McMeel Publishing had cancelled its contract to publish Into the Mother Lands, an Afrofuturist RPG, and was closing its RPG division. "Despite keeping up our end of the bargain and doing all of our work in good faith to get [Andrews McMeel] a final manuscript by their deadline; they informed us they are no longer publishing RPG's despite having a contract with us; and terminated it during a meeting to inform us of shutting down the RPG division," DePass and Walters wrote. The pair added that they are meeting with another publisher this week in the hopes of moving their project, but were prepared for the possibility of self-publishing as well.
Andrews McMeel most notably publishes Zweihander, a "Grim and Perilous" fantasy RPG designed by Daniel Fox, who then joined Andrews McMeel as Executive Creator of Games in 2019. Several other RPG books that used the Zweihander game system were also published by Andrews McMeel, but the RPG division had branched out with campaign setting books based on OZ and Neverland and had publishing contacts for Into the Mother Lands and Swordsfall, although progress on that project went silent in 2021 after its creator became embroiled in controversy.
There were signs that a change in Andrews McMeel was coming - Fox announced that he would be leaving the company at the end of last year and Andrews McMeel subsequently shuttered a RPG-focused Twitter account for the company on January 3rd. However, Fox noted in his announcement that Andrews McMeel would continue to publish Zweihander and the publisher was still promoting various RPG projects as recently as this week, having retweeted a post from Blackbirds, another game published by Andrews McMeel. ComicBook.com confirmed that Andrews McMeel would continue to publish Zweihander for now, but creator Daniel Fox was looking for other publishing options moving forward.
https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/andrews-mcmeel-shuts-down-rpg-division-zweihander-into-the-mother-lands/
Fox had connections that allowed him to get into bookstores.
Which was impossible for anyone doing an independent game not named Daniel Fox to replicate.
I have the scoop, but it's a little complicated.
You see, the books were originally put on shelves by accident, due to a shipping foul-up. So the local staff would have removed them when they realized this, but it turns out that due to union rules, there's actually a traveling member of staff that has to OK removal or any books that have been put on display already.
Now because it's current day and there are quotas, this traveling staff member only has one hand, and unfortunately, because it's a pretty substantial book, it takes two hands to pick up a Zweihander.
Quote from: Grognard GM on June 20, 2023, 08:43:54 PM...unfortunately, because it's a pretty substantial book, it takes two hands to pick up a Zweihander.
*ba-DUMP-
kssshh!*
Same reason is seems to do well at DTRPG - it's inexplicably popular.
I have not really read it or anything. Isn't it basically a 2E retro clone?
Quote from: Exploderwizard on June 21, 2023, 08:53:13 AM
I have not really read it or anything. Isn't it basically a 2E retro clone?
Warhammer 2E I believe
Lets not forget that when B&N was purchased a few years ago, they moved away from the traditional methodology that big book chains had been using for years. Among the tools they use to choose their book selections are BookTok, social media influencer sites, and giving local staffs a chance to have more input on the selection of what to stock. Given the general leaning of all those, as well as Mr Fox's vocal support, I have never found it surprising that his products made it on the shelves.
Ugh... Zweihander. It's such a bloated system and the writing is so dry and uninspiring.
The only thing I like about that is the art.
Quote from: JeremyR on June 21, 2023, 01:40:09 AM
Same reason is seems to do well at DTRPG - it's inexplicably popular.
He shilled and spambotted it everywhere.
He also attacked competition and any detractor that called him out on his design theft.
Quote from: rkhigdon on June 21, 2023, 11:37:30 AM
Lets not forget that when B&N was purchased a few years ago, they moved away from the traditional methodology that big book chains had been using for years. Among the tools they use to choose their book selections are BookTok, social media influencer sites, and giving local staffs a chance to have more input on the selection of what to stock. Given the general leaning of all those, as well as Mr Fox's vocal support, I have never found it surprising that his products made it on the shelves.
They were doing this unofficially long before they quit hiding it. They were hiring mostly left-wing staff (whether by design or just the nature of the position), who felt free to prominently push left-wing books and bury popular books that were in opposition. Given that at the same time, ghost-written left-wing books were also being over-bought by publishers at a loss as a way to funnel money to left-wing causes, it's not surprising.
Everything Fox did was done before outside of gaming. He just copied it. Come to think of it, exactly like he did the contents of his game.
Is Zweinhander woke or something? What did they do?
Quote from: Monero on June 24, 2023, 08:48:40 PM
Is Zweinhander woke or something? What did they do?
Didn´t strike me as particularily woke, and just by creating an account here, i probably ripped out the Overton Window and put it on the left wall between my hammer and sickle. Hi all by the way :)
Zweihänder received the Gold ENNIE awards 2018 for Best Game & Product of the Year at Gencon (i´m not sure that automatically qualifies it as woke); however it didn´t strike me as particularly anything when i read it. Strong Warhammer FRP 2e vibes, and a truckload of missed opportunities to clean it up. It could have been to WFRP what OSE is to D&D/AD&D, but as such it´s mostly a missed opportunity. Mr. Fox also took credit for taking down a repository of pirated RPG content, but IMO that´s more of a coincidence than a causal relationship.
Fox does some Woke virtue signalling; I'd guess it's as opportunistic as everything else about the man.
Quote from: S'mon on June 26, 2023, 10:44:43 AM
Fox does some Woke virtue signalling; I'd guess it's as opportunistic as everything else about the man.
Indeed; and some of this comes out in the game as in images of characters in wheelchairs but these exist alongside other images and descriptions that certain wokesters might hate. But he was a vocal supporter of woke causes and such until he had his "me too" moment with some female designer that he was "mentoring" or something. As I recall, it seemed to be over blown but because Fox had previously gone out of his way to establish his woke credentials, not unlike his pal Adam Koebel, it came back to bite him in the ass. He's also got some beef with Pundit, but I'm sketchy on those details.
Pundit being anti-woke and good at it might've scared the regime into a faster marching pace onto store shelves, union rules be damned.
Fox's role in getting the Trove shutdown soured a lot of attitudes towards him.
I'm not going to argue the legality of piracy, but the Trove was actually a good place to dig up rare gems or stuff that's been out of print for decades. But because people were looking at Zoolander, er, Zweihander and pointing out how derivative it was, Fox got his panties in a twist.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 26, 2023, 01:39:18 PM
Fox's role in getting the Trove shutdown soured a lot of attitudes towards him.
I'm not going to argue the legality of piracy, but the Trove was actually a good place to dig up rare gems or stuff that's been out of print for decades. But because people were looking at Zoolander, er, Zweihander and pointing out how derivative it was, Fox got his panties in a twist.
I'm guessing he cancelled it so people couldn't download Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. ;D
Quote from: cgWolf on June 26, 2023, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: Monero on June 24, 2023, 08:48:40 PM
Is Zweinhander woke or something? What did they do?
Didn´t strike me as particularily woke, and just by creating an account here, i probably ripped out the Overton Window and put it on the left wall between my hammer and sickle. Hi all by the way :)
Zweihänder received the Gold ENNIE awards 2018 for Best Game & Product of the Year at Gencon (i´m not sure that automatically qualifies it as woke); however it didn´t strike me as particularly anything when i read it. Strong Warhammer FRP 2e vibes, and a truckload of missed opportunities to clean it up. It could have been to WFRP what OSE is to D&D/AD&D, but as such it´s mostly a missed opportunity. Mr. Fox also took credit for taking down a repository of pirated RPG content, but IMO that´s more of a coincidence than a causal relationship.
He shilled his game everywhere.
Attacked anyone that called him out on it
Attacked anyone that called him out on ripping off WHFRP.
He doxed people like Pundit.
He weaponizes woke to go after people.
He bitched to wotc and got all the consultants removed from 5e credits.
He got an award for a game he stole from someone else. Probably greased a few palms. But the Enworld awards have been corrupt for years.
And more. Theres always more.
Quote from: S'mon on June 26, 2023, 02:21:29 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 26, 2023, 01:39:18 PM
Fox's role in getting the Trove shutdown soured a lot of attitudes towards him.
I'm not going to argue the legality of piracy, but the Trove was actually a good place to dig up rare gems or stuff that's been out of print for decades. But because people were looking at Zoolander, er, Zweihander and pointing out how derivative it was, Fox got his panties in a twist.
I'm guessing he cancelled it so people couldn't download Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. ;D
So true.
... lets not forget all the sock-puppet accounts he uses.
He strikes me a colossal scumbag, but I don't confess to know him outside his social media, and forum antics.
This video by DD is relevant.
Just so everyone knows, it was DD's choice to step away from Inappropriate Characters. Venger and I both wanted him there. Don't hold it against him, here he is still making good content. Maybe some friendly persuasion could get him to reconsider.
Also, as of today, Danny is crowing over my being suspended on twitter. But he's carefully avoiding the fact that what got me suspended was fighting against right-wing anti-semites, because that would ruin his narcissistic-psychopath fake-woke narrative.
Quote from: Omega on June 24, 2023, 03:46:10 AM
Quote from: JeremyR on June 21, 2023, 01:40:09 AM
Same reason is seems to do well at DTRPG - it's inexplicably popular.
He shilled and spambotted it everywhere.
He also attacked competition and any detractor that called him out on his design theft.
Which is kind of funny when you think about it.
He simply has connections in the publishing industry. However his publisher closed their entire RPG dept, and the Flames of Freedom forum on their #Discord was closed over lack of engagement. So despite appearances his work isn't anywhere near as successful as it might seem.
Also don't fall for him offering to refund your money himself. Return it to B&N directly, as that will lead to the book being sent back to the publisher for pulping.
Quote from: RPGPundit on July 01, 2023, 04:06:05 PM
Also, as of today, Danny is crowing over my being suspended on twitter. But he's carefully avoiding the fact that what got me suspended was fighting against right-wing anti-semites, because that would ruin his narcissistic-psychopath fake-woke narrative.
Dan's such a strange fellow. Narcissistic for sure, but I can't help but feel his paranoia and neuroticism is what really drives his behavior. Like he actually sued the police and slept with a gun after his neighbor's house was broken into (https://archive.is/3WWt4):
> Fox's lawsuit, from which the description of what happened was drawn, seeks unspecified damages for violations of the First Amendment and conspiracy to violate his constitutional rights. It also asks the court to rule that the KCPD's alleged policy of "hands-off policing" since the DeValkenaere verdict "is contrary to the public interest."
But why didn't the police act?
> The captain, whom Fox later learned was James Gottstein, said that, since the DeValkenaere verdict, the police no longer searched abandoned houses without a search warrant. Gottstein was referring to the conviction by a Jackson County judge last year of former KCPD Detective Eric DeValkanaere in the killing of Cameron Lamb, a Black man who was backing into his garage.
Which means we can make 3 conclusions:
- He's pro police as he expects them to act on his behalf.
- He's pro gun and willing to keep one unsecured while children are present.
- He's anti BLM the minute he feels the least bit threatened.
Which easily makes him the most wretched hypocrite in the hobby.
So you couldn't have been banned for a better reason, as the only comeback they have now is to call you a liar, and any other avenue they take exposes more of their hypocrisy. However now that #Twitter can't be browsed without an account you need to provide receipts. So where are the anti-semetic #Tweets you're talking about? Where is Dan's #Tweet you mentioned here?