Quote from: ImperatorVery cool, Koltar! Thanks for the info!

Same story & episode described at the Sci-Fi channel web site :
http://www.scifi.com/outerlimits/episodes/season5/507humanoperators.html

 If you want bto read the original story in print, here is where I found it :
THE MAGAZINE OF Fantasy AND Science Fiction (a.k.a. F&SF) the January 1971 issue - its the cover story. The cover illo features artwork by Vaugn Bode.

The intro text for the story says that it was written for an anthology of stories called:
PARTNERS IN WONDER
...which was a collection of stories by writer teams collaborating.

Either one of the above you might find in a decent used book store.

- Ed C.

I couldn't tell you what any of the settings I've tried to design are about, other than the ideas appeal to me as settings. I don't think they need to be about anything, or teahc us something about our 'inner beast' or 'inner jedi' or whatever.

Starship = Master, the fuck?

I want to pilot one, nothing else will do.

And it´s pretty clear that even with huge collaborative consensual powers, MLWM does not deliver in any meaningful way.
And there´s sure not even stats for starships.

Careful Sett....,


 

QuoteStarship, Master, fuck

 Same line of text - sounds like a different kind of "roleplay".
(not that theres anything wrong with that.......)


 Although in the actual story, the humans DO get to pilot the starships at the end of it all.



- Ed C.

Quote from: KoltarCareful Sett....,


 

 Same line of text - sounds like a different kind of "roleplay".
(not that theres anything wrong with that.......)


 Although in the actual story, the humans DO get to pilot the starships at the end of it all.



- Ed C.

But only after they rebel and destroy the computer controlling the starship, which was using the humans as slaves.

Screw MLWM, this sounds more like TNE.

Quote from: jeff37923But only after they rebel and destroy the computer controlling the starship, which was using the humans as slaves.

Screw MLWM, this sounds more like TNE.

It was a GOOD story...both the text version and the TV adaptation of it.
 PLUS, Polly Shannon looks a lot like a girl I used to date.


- Ed C.

Back to the original title of this thread...

Why is it wrong for a roleplaying game to be about something?

Its not wrong, but if the roleplaying game isn't ultimately about having fun then it probably isn't a game - its something else disguised as a game.


EDIT: Am I a Master of the Obvious, or what.

Quote from: AlnagHell, I like BW more than MlwM...

Meaning you don't like Burning Wheel?

Quote from: BrantaiMeaning you don't like Burning Wheel?

Not that much... Le't stick with I like several dozens of RPGs more than Burning Wheel.

Quote from: AlnagNot that much... Le't stick with I like several dozens of RPGs more than Burning Wheel.

Then why the Q&A thread with Luke?  Just curious to see what makes him tick?

Quote from: BrantaiThen why the Q&A thread with Luke?  Just curious to see what makes him tick?

It is pretty easy... this made him tick:

Quote from: lukeWhat facts would like? I've got plenty of facts. I like facts.

I was really curious about those facts. Anyone can now consider, how many facts the Q&A acutally produced. Also, despite I am not fan of BW design, that doesn't necessary mean, that game designer doesn't have much to say to me. Rather the oppossite, I guess...

Quote from: TempleWell this post was, more than anything, a test. I wanted to see what kinds of responses I got (not that it wasnt a question I didnt want an answer to from theRPGsites forumites), to see if this was a forum I could post in regularly.

Im satisfied, and I like the replies so far...

How can you not know how incredibly insulting and arrogant this is? What kind of life could have led you to the day where you thought, "You know, I might consider posting at this internet forum, but I loathe sprinkling my sparkling insights on unworthy plebes. So I will devise a cunning test, and if they pass, only then will I deign to share my wisdom. Then I will tell them about it, so that they know exactly how far below me I think they are."

If you want to know what elitism is, the Forge-smell that drives people off, it's this. This and extensive pointless metaphors. I'm not particularly an old-school fan, but holy hell I hate being talked down to. :mad:

Quote from: ghost ratHow can you not know how incredibly insulting and arrogant this is? What kind of life could have led you to the day where you thought, "You know, I might consider posting at this internet forum, but I loathe sprinkling my sparkling insights on unworthy plebes. So I will devise a cunning test, and if they pass, only then will I deign to share my wisdom. Then I will tell them about it, so that they know exactly how far below me I think they are."

If you want to know what elitism is, the Forge-smell that drives people off, it's this. This and extensive pointless metaphors. I'm not particularly an old-school fan, but holy hell I hate being talked down to. :mad:

Well, what youve just read in to my post was not something I put into it. Im sorry, but my intention was never to insult anyone (and indeed it seems from the other responses in this thread that you are the only one to take offense; not that this lessens the gravity of it, but its an observation).

I never thought "You know, I might consider posting at this internet forum, but I loathe sprinkling my sparkling insights on unworthy plebes. So I will devise a cunning test, and if they pass, only then will I deign to share my wisdom. Then I will tell them about it, so that they know exactly how far below me I think they are."

You inserted that into my post, because you were either looking for it or expecting it in some way.

Its the same as the jazz thing from earlier. Some people expect classical, elitist Forge bastards, and so they find them everywhere.

Now,I dont blame you. Forgespeak can be quite condescending, and there are some realpricks among the Ron Edwards fanboys out there on the interwebs.

But, again, I didnt put that in there. You did.

Quote from: TempleWell, what youve just read in to my post was not something I put into it.

I never thought "[snip ghost rat's angry interpretation]."

You inserted that into my post, because you were either looking for it or expecting it in some way.

Yes, my reply was an exaggeration written in anger, which has not yet faded. But you did "test" us. Like we were lab monkeys. That grates on a person.

QuoteIts the same as the jazz thing from earlier. Some people expect classical, elitist Forge bastards, and so they find them everywhere.

The "jazz thing" is another example of empty, pointless metaphor. It's incensing and communicates nothing that couldn't be said directly.

QuoteNow,I dont blame you. Forgespeak can be quite condescending, and there are some realpricks among the Ron Edwards fanboys out there on the interwebs.

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't worry my pretty little head about it.:rolleyes:

I do not think at this point that you are actively malicious. I do wish that you got why I'm irritated by some of your comments.

Quote from: ghost ratYes, my reply was an exaggeration written in anger, which has not yet faded. But you did "test" us. Like we were lab monkeys. That grates on a person.

The "jazz thing" is another example of empty, pointless metaphor. It's incensing and communicates nothing that couldn't be said directly.

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't worry my pretty little head about it.:rolleyes:

I do not think at this point that you are actively malicious. I do wish that you got why I'm irritated by some of your comments.

Hey, I get it. I tried to say that I got it, but I guess it didnt come out right.

My intention was not to test you like lab rats.

Rather, I just wanted to test the waters.Id heard some pretty bad things about this board, and the prospect of being called"Swine" isnt exactly tempting.
So I decided to go straight to the heart of the matter, pose a question I knew could get some harsh answers and see just how harsh they were.

I quickly found that there was no need for concern, because there are many more reasonable people here than there are "extremists," so to speak.

I also agree with the basics of the Pundits, and thus the community at larges (because lets face it, hes the reason most people are here, including me) views about equality and the value of traditional roleplaying games. Just not, you know, all the extreme stuff.

So thats the kind of testing I was talking about.