Quote from: Spinachcat;1096488I am surprised WotC did not translate 4e and 5e into Portuguese!

Smart for DCC to get translated.

As I said in a different thread, the twin hammers of 4E and the 2008 recession hit the local market hard, and translations essentially disappeared over the next few years.

And then the market simply never picked back up again...

Quote from: RF Victor;1096480I'm from Brazil as well. The good news for us is this: DCC has been translated into portuguese, and is currently available right here, in 3 different cover versions plus adventures and the GM screen! Yay!

...But the publisher does not currently sell the dice sets. :rolleyes:

Well, I already have DCC, and like I said before I don't really like translated books.

I think my last RPG book in portuguese is a copy of GURPS 2nd Edition.

Quote from: Haffrung;1096454Count me among those who have been deterred from playing DCC by the dice. Bought and read the book, and I'm intrigued enough to want to play. But adding $35 CDN to the price (with shipping) is enough of a hassle that it keeps DCC on the shelf along with other systems that don't make it to the table. And of course that's just for one set. If we actually played more than a handful of sessions, we'd want to get more dice.

I know you can use online dice rollers, etc. But the real question is why use those weird dice in the first place? They add nothing to the game. The DCC dice fail badly in a cost / benefit analysis. And I'm sure they've deterred hundreds of otherwise interested gamers from playing DCC.

And if hundreds of people have avoided DCC because of the oddball dice; then after a few years time, that actually equates to thousands of people not experiencing the game.


***Edit:. OK, I Bought The Book.***

Quote from: Spinachcat;1096487Personally, the best part of DCC is the funnel. It's been the most fun part of DCC sessions, yet actually barely uses any of the funky dice or most of its rules.

I good point. I love a good DCC funnel! I've had zeroes die in all sorts of ways just trying to get to the dungeon. I'm not sure I'd want to have every adventure be a funnel, but they are a blast.

Can't get the dice? Use chit draw, like the old basic D&D set advised!

Quote from: sureshot;1096449Both use existing dice. Fate uses D6 and Star Wars uses existing D&D dice. I can get the Star Wars Dice for 19$ before tax from my LGS. I did get the Fate core from the same place though their website is shit and I'm not going to look through pages and pages of dice. Both can be found easily at Amazon.com and cheaper as well.

What put me off on the funky symbols for FFG Star Wars is that I really hated the reading experience. It is a compound issue as I have gotten a bit of license fatigue with both Star Wars and Star Trek both.

I guess it is a wash when it comes to actual utility. Does an unusual dice type add some value other than being different?

I initially disliked the idea of buying the DCC dice and agree that it likely detracts many from buying it. I got over it because the DCC game itself is outlandish in its own way and that 'charmed' me.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1096409Fate and Fudge dice are actually different.

Fudge dice have the "-"s and "+"s on opposite sides why Fate dice have them adjacent.

Hmm ... there are six distinct arrangements of 2 +, 2 - and 2 blank on a cube (identifying arrangements where the cube with one can be rotated to match the other). That means there are four arrangements left to claim.

Back around 1980 someone in our group had a spinner instead of dice. I thought it was a great idea - it would be able to roll all those weird numbers. But, no, it was marked for the usual dice only. What a waste.

Quote from: BronzeDragon;1096431However, dice do have an import fee, and that is 50%, and they are almost never sold by Amazon itself, but rather individual sellers through Amazon, and these charge way more for shipping stuff over here. So, to give you a concrete example, if I wanted to buy a basic set of the funky dice for DCC, there are packs in Amazon right now that go for about 10 dollars. Shipping amounts to another 17. Then the import tax adds 50% of the total cost, which means if I want those dice shipped to me, I'll have to pay about 40 dollars.

For six dice.

Next modern RPG I play, my character is going to be a dice smuggler.

They're presumably not trying to protect the domestic dice industry from foreign competition, or you'd be able to buy the dice without import. So what's the point? Dice are associated with gambling and get a vice tax? They're a luxury good? It's only a low fee compared to the fee on books, which are thought to be educational (and luckily they don't vary the fee depending on the book's subject)? Too few people wanting dice to get them to change it?

I really respect the honesty of Goodman's reply ("I like funky dice").

I put of playing the game for years because of those funky dice (i dont give bezos money the past 3 years), and my FLGS got some, so I played it.  It is pretty good.  Really good so far, but i can see some possible complications as levels rise.  I would say give the funky dice and the game a try.  Enjoying it alot.

Quote from: cranebump;1096650I really respect the honesty of Goodman's reply ("I like funky dice").

Me too. DCC is A-to-Z his own vision for his own RPG and it just happened that many people agreed with his vision.

It's not my cuppa tea, but I respect Goodman's "I made the game I wanted for myself, hope you like it too" attitude.

Quote from: rawma;1096599Next modern RPG I play, my character is going to be a dice smuggler.

They're presumably not trying to protect the domestic dice industry from foreign competition, or you'd be able to buy the dice without import. So what's the point? Dice are associated with gambling and get a vice tax? They're a luxury good? It's only a low fee compared to the fee on books, which are thought to be educational (and luckily they don't vary the fee depending on the book's subject)? Too few people wanting dice to get them to change it?

Almost everything is taxed when imported here. Books are one of the very few exceptions, because they are considered "culture". Films aren't "culture" however, since trying to buy DVDs or Blue-rays on Amazon will slap a 100% tax on them.

Brazil is, in many ways, a modern country stuck in the 1700s.

Quote from: BronzeDragon;1096773Almost everything is taxed when imported here. Books are one of the very few exceptions, because they are considered "culture". Films aren't "culture" however, since trying to buy DVDs or Blue-rays on Amazon will slap a 100% tax on them.

Brazil is, in many ways, a modern country stuck in the 1700s.

If you (or someone you knew) visited the US and returned, or someone visited Brazil, could they bring a large supply of odd dice "for personal use" without being taxed? (Just asking as background research for my future dice smuggler character. )

Quote from: rawma;1096599Next modern RPG I play, my character is going to be a dice smuggler.

They're presumably not trying to protect the domestic dice industry from foreign competition, or you'd be able to buy the dice without import. So what's the point? Dice are associated with gambling and get a vice tax? They're a luxury good? It's only a low fee compared to the fee on books, which are thought to be educational (and luckily they don't vary the fee depending on the book's subject)? Too few people wanting dice to get them to change it?

Brazil taxes EVERYTHING to hell and back, except books. The tax amount is usually 60% plus an extra fixed fee, and that's calculated over the price of the merchandise PLUS SHIPPING! When buying something stocked by Amazon the price simply doubles. 100% tax. So let's say I find a set of DCC dice stocked by amazon:

Dice - 30
Shipping - 10 (Amazon Global)
"Import Fees Deposit" - 40

So that's 80 dollars. Or 300 Reais, our currency. To put things in perspective -- the Pathfinder 1st Edition book costs 180 Reais here. The LOTFP core book, 93 Reais. The brazillian box set with all Harry Potter books costs 140 Reais...

Quote from: RF Victor;1096841Brazil taxes EVERYTHING to hell and back, except books. The tax amount is usually 60% plus an extra fixed fee, and that's calculated over the price of the merchandise PLUS SHIPPING! When buying something stocked by Amazon the price simply doubles. 100% tax.

What is the government's justification for this? It is something I always wondered about. Selling computer stuff into Brazil was always an issue.

Quote from: RF Victor;1096841Brazil taxes EVERYTHING to hell and back, except books. The tax amount is usually 60% plus an extra fixed fee, and that's calculated over the price of the merchandise PLUS SHIPPING! When buying something stocked by Amazon the price simply doubles. 100% tax. So let's say I find a set of DCC dice stocked by amazon:

Dice - 30
Shipping - 10 (Amazon Global)
"Import Fees Deposit" - 40

So that's 80 dollars. Or 300 Reais, our currency. To put things in perspective -- the Pathfinder 1st Edition book costs 180 Reais here. The LOTFP core book, 93 Reais. The brazillian box set with all Harry Potter books costs 140 Reais...

This seems like an argument against some countries taxes, and not the funky dice directly.