In terms of gimmicky accessories you need to play a game, I don't particularly mind if it's just weird dice (though as I said earlier, I prefer vanilla D6 games generally); I draw the line at games like WHFRP 3e, with all the little fucking tokens, playmats, cards, etc. That I will not stand for with a roleplaying game.

Board games are a different beast, where part of the appeal is in the weird little tactile doodads and the mechanics they're linked to. Plus, you never need to buy more doodads because they're presumably boxed with the game anyway (save expansions, etc.) unlike an RPG, where if it heavily relies on that shit then if you want more players at the table, need more monsters, treasure cards, whatever then you HAVE to buy more shit (assuming they still even make them; hope you got everything you needed before the edition change!).

Quote from: Brad;1098886Way late as well, and they are a gimmick, but a fun one. The fact that the app roller exists as a free download sort of mitigates this issue. I prefer actually rolling dice, though, so I finally bought a set from Amazon, think they were $15. Or as you stated, just get a chart and use "regular" dice.

I find this entire argument ridiculous, anyway, as if you bought a boardgame that required some sort of paraphernalia not included (and clearly stated on the box), you'd buy it to play the game.

Not including everything needed for play inside a boardgame, (except pencils and paper) would be a poor marketing decision.

I get the complaint about dice I mentioned earlier.  I think though, especially in the case of FLGS, they REALLY should stock funky dice if they are going to sell DCC.   I have had DCC for years and am loathe to buy things online (I have 3 very good game stores within 45 minutes of my house, and do all I can to support local business) and like to see things and then buy them.  I get no store wants to carry items that burn shelf space, but in this case, you can always make the up sale with the dice and the book.  One of the stores stocked the dice, so I gave it a try with the group.  It's great.  BUT as to the board game comparison, I would expect all components in the board game, but more importantly I would expect the tools to play the game to be in the store I bought the game.  I have looked for those dice in 8 different stores in 3 different states, and finally they show up after 4 years.

The d7 is not nearly as well designed for good rolling and fair, random results; in my opinion.  It's a clunky thing, that looks like a tumor.  I think all the others, (d3, d5, d14, d16, d24, & d30) are just fine.

You'd probably get more fair, random results by rolling a d8 instead; and rerolling on an 8.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1098890In terms of gimmicky accessories you need to play a game, I don't particularly mind if it's just weird dice (though as I said earlier, I prefer vanilla D6 games generally); I draw the line at games like WHFRP 3e, with all the little fucking tokens, playmats, cards, etc. That I will not stand for with a roleplaying game.

Board games are a different beast, where part of the appeal is in the weird little tactile doodads and the mechanics they're linked to. Plus, you never need to buy more doodads because they're presumably boxed with the game anyway (save expansions, etc.) unlike an RPG, where if it heavily relies on that shit then if you want more players at the table, need more monsters, treasure cards, whatever then you HAVE to buy more shit (assuming they still even make them; hope you got everything you needed before the edition change!).

I was instantly a "no thanks" for Warhammer when I found out what a ROLEPLAYING GAME required; I agree.

Quote from: Razor 007;1098901Not including everything needed for play inside a boardgame, (except pencils and paper) would be a poor marketing decision.

Sure, it would be. But suppose you're selling a game in the UK...it's my understanding that VAT is applied differently depending on what's included in the box. Maybe you purposefully leave some component out to get around this?

Quote from: Razor 007;1098907The d7 is not nearly as well designed for good rolling and fair, random results; in my opinion.  It's a clunky thing, that looks like a tumor.  I think all the others, (d3, d5, d14, d16, d24, & d30) are just fine.

You'd probably get more fair, random results by rolling a d8 instead; and rerolling on an 8.

Is that the "funky" d7 with the pips? Or the 14 sided dice with 1-7 printed twice on the facings? I tend to like the d14/d7 better.

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I've been waititng for Gamescience to get more "ugly dice" in stock. I'm gonna order a set today. Just to have some truly ugly old school dice.

The VAT concept, just plain sucks.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1098909Is that the "funky" d7 with the pips? Or the 14 sided dice with 1-7 printed twice on the facings? I tend to like the d14/d7 better.

Mine is the 7 sided die, that's very odd looking.  I'd much rather have a d14 with 1-7 on it twice.  That, would roll much better.

I have noticed, the dice I have (official DCC dice) and one of players have are shaped quite differently.  His to me seem to roll the more funky results, mine look like polygonal dice, some of his, not so much.

At least games that have some kind of special dice have some snowflake mechanic to try to justify it, wether stupid or not (....mostly stupid). Buying dice just for the "experience" of buying  new dice? That is some pretty daft cargo cult consumerism right there. And gods know I have indulged my fair share in consumerist  crap in this hobby. It reeks of someone being obnoxiously pretentious.

Otherwise the game looks fine. It's not my preference since it doesn't add anything I feel lacking in my D&D/OSR games (plentiful of weirdness and randomness in old D&D already) but I can understand the vision. I like much of the artwork.

Quote from: Teodrik;1098919At least games that have some kind of special dice have some snowflake mechanic to try to justify it, wether stupid or not (....mostly stupid). Buying dice just for the "experience" of buying  new dice? That is some pretty daft cargo cult consumerism right there. And obnoxiously pretentious. Otherwise the game looks fine.

Everyone knows that a d30 rollchart, is 50% better than a d20 rollchart.......

Quote from: Razor 007;1098920Everyone knows that a d30 rollchart, is 50% better than a d20 rollchart.......

aha...but the d60 chart is 100% superior to puny d30 chart.

Quote from: Teodrik;1098926aha...but the d60 chart is 100% superior to puny d30 chart.

Noooooo!!!!!!!!

Quote from: Razor 007;1098939Noooooo!!!!!!!!

I guess d1000 would really be the shiznit.

Quote from: Razor 007;1098940I guess d1000 would really be the shiznit.

It's rolling, rolling, rollling... rolling, rolling, rolling... rolling, rolling, rolling...

Okay who wants to take a coffee break while we wait this for this nearly perfect sphere to come to a stop?