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Why I think Gurps and Hero are having popularity problems

Started by danbuter, April 21, 2012, 09:02:02 PM

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Rincewind1

Quote from: ggroy;533498I watch the show every now and then, mostly in reruns when random channel surfing.  (Though not every week).

Sometimes funny.  Other times kinda tragic.

I much prefer the IT crowd - always funny, sometimes tragicomic ;). It takes shots at both sides of the barricade, so to speak.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

Opaopajr

Quote from: Rincewind1;533490For a man of such 'high standards', I find it quite sad that he spelled "A 80s game" rather then "An 80s game", since Eighties obviously begin with an "e".

I normally wouldn't care, as I consider it unnecessary to correct someone else's grammar and spelling, especially since this is just an internet forum. But this does open an opportunity to correct something that has been consistently bugging my inner 5th Grade Teacher grammarian for months now about your posts. Please don't take this as hostility, just a helpful clarifier on usage.:

It's "Rather THAN."

Then v. Than
http://grammartips.homestead.com/than.html

Then is about time, either as a time marker or sequentiality.

Than is not about time. It is used in comparison.

Here's mnemonic aids:

"If not then, when?"
"If you can, do that rather than..."

Or, as it relates to ice cream (in an imperfectly grammatical conversation):

I'm deathly allergic to chocolate and nuts. So I'm going to eat vanilla than rocky road ice cream. (This is choosing one versus the other, to stay alive.)

I'm deathly allergic to chocolate and nuts. So I'm going to eat vanilla then rocky road ice cream. (This is a delicious form of suicide.)

See? That one letter, it's important! :D
Just make your fuckin\' guy and roll the dice, you pricks. Focus on what\'s interesting, not what gives you the biggest randomly generated virtual penis.  -- J Arcane
 
You know, people keep comparing non-TSR D&D to deck-building in Magic: the Gathering. But maybe it\'s more like Katamari Damacy. You keep sticking shit on your characters until they are big enough to be a star.
-- talysman

ggroy

Quote from: Rincewind1;533499I much prefer the IT crowd - always funny, sometimes tragicomic ;). It takes shots at both sides of the barricade, so to speak.

I was never really into comedy much.  (Even when I lived with somebody who did stand up comedy on open mic nights almost every week).

The only comedy stuff I ever really got into, was really cheesy stuff like Cheech & Chong, and later Beavis & Butthead.

Rincewind1

#258
Quote from: Opaopajr;533503I normally wouldn't care, as I consider it unnecessary to correct someone else's grammar and spelling, especially since this is just an internet forum. But this does open an opportunity to correct something that has been consistently bugging my inner 5th Grade Teacher grammarian for months now about your posts. Please don't take this as hostility, just a helpful clarifier on usage.:

It's "Rather THAN."

Then v. Than
http://grammartips.homestead.com/than.html

Then is about time, either as a time marker or sequentiality.

Than is not about time. It is used in comparison.

Here's mnemonic aids:

"If not then, when?"
"If you can, do that rather than..."

Or, as it relates to ice cream (in an imperfectly grammatical conversation):

I'm deathly allergic to chocolate and nuts. So I'm going to eat vanilla than rocky road ice cream. (This is choosing one versus the other, to stay alive.)

I'm deathly allergic to chocolate and nuts. So I'm going to eat vanilla then rocky road ice cream. (This is a delicious form of suicide.)

See? That one letter, it's important! :D

Now, I never claimed to be a man of high standards though, have I? Interesting enough, I must had forgotten about this ages ago - thanks. Although the link'd had sufficed, I'm not a idiot, you now.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

gleichman

Quote from: Novastar;533489Tis a shame you don't extend those same standards to common courtesy.

Common courtesy should be checked at the door to therpgsite, or one will be ganged rape.
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"The purpose of an open mind is to close it, on particular subjects. If you never do — you\'ve simply abdicated the responsibility to think." - William F. Buckley.

Opaopajr

Quote from: Rincewind1;533506Now, I never claimed to be a man of high standards though, have I? Interesting enough, I must had forgotten about this ages ago - thanks. Although the link'd had sufficed, I'm not a idiot, you now.

But how often do you get to create an example of suicide by ice cream for a good cause?
:p
Just make your fuckin\' guy and roll the dice, you pricks. Focus on what\'s interesting, not what gives you the biggest randomly generated virtual penis.  -- J Arcane
 
You know, people keep comparing non-TSR D&D to deck-building in Magic: the Gathering. But maybe it\'s more like Katamari Damacy. You keep sticking shit on your characters until they are big enough to be a star.
-- talysman

Rincewind1

#261
Quote from: Opaopajr;533511But how often do you get to create an example of suicide by ice cream for a good cause?
:p

Are you threatening me? ARE YOU? Because I am not allergic to nuts, so you villainous plan is undone!

PS If I read any note about "mysterious death of a rich women", involving a grieving (now rich) widower and a tub of ice cream, I will know what IP to report to the police :P.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

ggroy

Quote from: Rincewind1;533512Are you threatening me?

I am cornholio!

Novastar

Quote from: gleichman;533509Common courtesy should be checked at the door to therpgsite, or one will be ganged rape.
But boo-boo-kitty-fuck, how else are we to tell the children of how we met?
Quote from: dragoner;776244Mechanical character builds remind me of something like picking the shoe in monopoly, it isn\'t what I play rpg\'s for.

Opaopajr

Just make your fuckin\' guy and roll the dice, you pricks. Focus on what\'s interesting, not what gives you the biggest randomly generated virtual penis.  -- J Arcane
 
You know, people keep comparing non-TSR D&D to deck-building in Magic: the Gathering. But maybe it\'s more like Katamari Damacy. You keep sticking shit on your characters until they are big enough to be a star.
-- talysman

daniel_ream

I was going to re-post my Sapir-Whorf hypothesis about effects-based point buy RPG systems being a form of language, but frankly watching gleichman dance like an organ-grinder's monkey for our amusement is much more fun.

Dance, monkey, dance!
D&D is becoming Self-Referential.  It is no longer Setting Referential, where it takes references outside of itself. It is becoming like Ouroboros in its self-gleaning for tropes, no longer attached, let alone needing outside context.
~ Opaopajr

James Gillen

Quote from: Novastar;533489Tis a shame you don't extend those same standards to common courtesy.
But I guess we all have a dump stat somewhere.

If you're a real gamer, courtesy isn't EVEN a stat.  :D

JG
-My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line and kiss my ass.
 -Christopher Hitchens
-Be very very careful with any argument that calls for hurting specific people right now in order to theoretically help abstract people later.
-Daztur

James Gillen

Quote from: gleichman;533509Common courtesy should be checked at the door to therpgsite, or one will be ganged rape.

That's "gang rapeD."  

JG
-My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line and kiss my ass.
 -Christopher Hitchens
-Be very very careful with any argument that calls for hurting specific people right now in order to theoretically help abstract people later.
-Daztur

noman

Quote from: James Gillen;533532If you're a real gamer, courtesy isn't EVEN a stat.  :D

JG

I'm a big fan of courtesy.  I try to show it, even if I don't expect it in return.

To the OP.  I used to be a fanboy of GURPS from way back.  I could sing it's praises and point out it's faults, but you know these better than I.  But despite my love of GURPS, I've decided to walk away from it.

GURPS does what it claims to do, and does it (arguably) very well.  Yet it is burdened by unnecessary complexity.  In it's earlier life, It was the only universal game in town, but now there are about a dozen or more excellent alternatives that do the same thing as GURPS with less time/money/energy investment.  I consider GURPS to be obsolete by comparison.

I prefer rules-lite, modifiable, universal systems.  I create my own content: settings, monsters, NPC's, etc.  I've found that other system serve my purposes far better than GURPS did in the past.

So I'd argue that an additional reason for GURPS' fading popularity is the availability of other game systems that can do the same thing it can, but (arguably) better.

I just discovered Risus and GenreDiversion, and the more I play around with them, the less I'm interested in GURPS or HERO.
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Daddy Warpig

#269
Quote from: estar;533465No, uncertainty at the quantum level has effectively ruled out a perfect simulator.

I believe Estar is correct. To be more specific, in order to simulate this universe exactly, we would have to amass a perfect record of everything in this universe. And the fundamental laws of physics ensure this is utterly impossible.

There are limits on, for example, knowing the speed and position of an electron. The more you know about one, the less you can know about the other. This is not a limitation on equipment or process. It is a law of the universe. No matter what equipment you use, there is a limit on the knowledge one can acquire.

Also, even with an arbitrarily large amount of information, there are events that cannot be predicted. If a specific atom will decay in the next minute for example. This is a purely probabilistic event, it cannot be predicted from any amount of knowledge you could gather before the event.

There is also the limitation on information storage. To construct a simulator, you have to store all of the information you can't get. And the laws of the universe (in specific, the Laws of Thermodynamics) ensure that, even if you could get all the information that you can't get, you couldn't store it.

The universe ensures that there is a limit on the knowledge and information we can gather, store, and use. It's odd, but its the laws of physics we live under.
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