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Why I think Gurps and Hero are having popularity problems

Started by danbuter, April 21, 2012, 09:02:02 PM

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crkrueger

#165
April 23, 2012, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: John Morrow;533073A few years ago, someone on RPG.net was describing how one of the minor darlings handled one-on-one combats really well but didn't do so well if the PCs tried to fight the same opponent together.
That would be The Riddle of Steel.  One on one it's basically an ARMA simulator, however, there really aren't rules for multiple combatants.  You can use a maneuver system to abstractly declare whether or not the out umbered person has managed to get himself into a 1v1 situation or you can just take his pool and divide it by number of attackers.  Both ways as described are tacked on, you can tell from the way it's written.
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Black Vulmea

#166
April 24, 2012, 12:11:51 AM
Quote from: 1989;533104You need to go back to playing wargames.
Easy, now. Combat rules utilizing minis are a staple in roleplaying games.
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Novastar

#167
April 24, 2012, 12:35:06 AM
Quote from: John Morrow;533073A few years ago, someone on RPG.net was describing how one of the minor darlings handled one-on-one combats really well but didn't do so well if the PCs tried to fight the same opponent together.  I found that a stunning deficiency, akin to saying a car is great so long as you drive it fast straight ahead, but it doesn't turn very well and can't go in reverse.  I don't drag race so I wouldn't have much use for a car like that.
That would be my overwhelming critique of d6; multiple opponents on one defender quickly equals pwnage. So either the big bad slices people down in his first few attacks, or they wear him down into oblivion.

As to the question of "How many PC's/NPC's do you have in a fight?", I have to admit, having over a dozen combatants is rare. My personal preference is more 3 Musketeers than 300.
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daniel_ream

#168
April 24, 2012, 02:08:52 AM
Quote from: Novastar;533115I have to admit, having over a dozen combatants is rare.

Yeah, in a superhero game unless every single combat is Captain America vs. all of Hydra, I'm having trouble seeing how 20-60 combatants is at all representative of the source material.  It does happen, but it's the rare exception that proves the rule.

Frankly, given what I remember from HERO, I can't see a combat of that scope taking less than several hours to play out if every combatant is being treated as a separate entity.
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Imperator

#169
April 24, 2012, 02:32:59 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;532970They learned that way of thinking from their video games.

And videogames learned it from D&D. Now the circle is complete.
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#170
April 24, 2012, 03:07:03 AM
Quote from: Imperator;533132And videogames learned it from D&D. Now the circle is complete.

Ha ha.  :)

James Gillen

#171
April 24, 2012, 03:41:25 AM
Quote from: gleichman;532877A great deal has changed. In fact, everything has.

Without a grid and minis- you're combats are a made up fantasy, inconsistent and without a doubt breaking the rules multiple times during play. Unless of course all you battles are one-dimensional, in which case they are boring.

I'd never play in such a campaign, watching re-runs of NCIS is a better use of my time.

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James Gillen

#172
April 24, 2012, 04:00:15 AM
Quote from: misterguignol;533069So, unemployed, huh?  That's rough.

Well hey, now you should have no doubt that gleichman IS a gamer.

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One Horse Town

#173
April 24, 2012, 08:01:40 AM
Quote from: misterguignol;533061OMG I was totally thinking "Ancient Gamer" too!  We're Psychic Twins today, Rince.  But I assume because OHT seems to know this fellow it can't be the same person.

Can it?

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misterguignol

#174
April 24, 2012, 08:11:17 AM
Quote from: One Horse Town;533169Brian Gleichman. Blogger, writer, sometime agent provocataur.

You forgot "protractor owner."

danbuter

#175
April 24, 2012, 09:30:04 AM
Gleichman has been around a long time on boards. He's nowhere near as bad as AG.

And don't make snide remarks about people's unemployment, especially in this economy. A good percentage of people I know are now either unemployed or have been fired from good jobs and are now working crap jobs just to make ends meet. Many of them are good folks, but there just aren't any decent jobs around (that don't have insane requirements to get hired). Many of the companies in my area have either downsized or disappeared altogether.
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#176
April 24, 2012, 10:33:11 AM
Quote from: James Gillen;532471The Hero Designer program is good.
The designer of Hero Designer has a lot of bugs that need to be worked out.  :D

JG

Thats because they need to let the Professionals of HERO LAB do the damn thing, they do good work and HERO LAB is far easier to use than anything else out there on the market today!
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#177
April 24, 2012, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: danbuter;533196Gleichman has been around a long time on boards. He's nowhere near as bad as AG.

And don't make snide remarks about people's unemployment, especially in this economy. A good percentage of people I know are now either unemployed or have been fired from good jobs and are now working crap jobs just to make ends meet. Many of them are good folks, but there just aren't any decent jobs around (that don't have insane requirements to get hired). Many of the companies in my area have either downsized or disappeared altogether.

He sounds fine to me. Real classic old school but not a condensending jerk. Which is all good in my book. Also yeah "unenjoyment" is not fun, so no jokes from me.
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jadrax

#178
April 24, 2012, 11:41:34 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;532763I wonder how many GURPS sales would have been generated for Steve Jackson Games if SJ never pulled its license from Interplay's Fallout?

Honestly, I am tempted to say quite a few. I think Fallout would have given GURPS a crucial 'Killer Ap' which would have made people feel it was worth investing in the system.

gleichman

#179
April 24, 2012, 12:11:26 PM
Quote from: One Horse Town;533169Brian Gleichman. Blogger, writer, sometime agent provocataur.

And now game designer as well. Surprise- it requires a grid and minis!
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