First you say you don't believe such a thing exists, now you're trying to force your definition on said non-existant thing.
As Philotomy said, there's no 'official' judge of what is/isn't OSR... and to me anyone claiming they are automatically wouldn't be.

If anything I`d drop the "roleplaying" term entirely. It isn`t pretending to be somebody else that makes these games great it`s their open ended nature.

When I run D&D for my students they never ever get in character but they love it because they can choose to do anything and there`s plenty for non-RPG games (hi Crusader Kings!) in which a lot of the fun comes from being in character.

Quote from: Simlasa;854398First you say you don't believe such a thing exists, now you're trying to force your definition on said non-existant thing.
As Philotomy said, there's no 'official' judge of what is/isn't OSR... and to me anyone claiming they are automatically wouldn't be.

You're not getting what I mean.  I say it's a meaningless term because it's just a play style.  One that was ASSUMED to be common back in ye olden days.  It was not.  Secondly, whether or not you believe your personal play style IS OSR or not, doesn't matter in this conversation.  It's about the term Fantasy Role Play and why it's not included in this silly market based 'movement' to emulate a play style that never truly existed as this monolithic group-mind way of running various game, and how this market has attached it to older editions of D&D.

Most people playing the old versions of Runequest, still have the books, they're not remaking them with fancy names and claiming that their ways is the only way to truly play it in an 'Old School' fashion.  Which again, I contend never existed past certain people's memories, or the way it's been assumed by people too young to know.

Wow, I remember FRP being a thing! Totally forgot about it, and like Brand55 my first reaction is where is the W?

I agree Fantasy Roleplaying Game is a good term.

I also like Fantasy Adventure Game.

Probably shouldn't use the acronym for that one though...

OSR Taliban will TAKE FRP and hold against all infidels & new school invaders! We shall entrench deep in our hex maps keep enemies at bay with our 10 foot poles!  :rotfl:

Quote from: DavetheLost;854387I still play 1e Metamorphosis Alpha.

Please start a thread about MA!!

I'm a Gamma World player and I'd love to hear about MA gaming!

I like the term "Roleplaying Adventure Game", or RAG for short.

The OSR is usually/often only concerned with a D&D based approach, so I can see why a larger FRP category might not have any utility for the average OSR participant.

Quote from: Daztur;854402If anything I`d drop the "roleplaying" term entirely. It isn`t pretending to be somebody else that makes these games great it`s their open ended nature.

When I run D&D for my students they never ever get in character but they love it because they can choose to do anything and there`s plenty for non-RPG games (hi Crusader Kings!) in which a lot of the fun comes from being in character.

I always like the term "adventure game" and the computer world really hasn't been using it for a while so maybe they wouldn't mind us stealing it

Quote from: Piestrio;854514I always like the term "adventure game" and the computer world really hasn't been using it for a while so maybe they wouldn't mind us stealing it

Yeah, like that a lot too. I think "go and do stuff" captures the genre better than "pretend to be somebody else." Not that getting into character isn't a good thing, it's just not core or essential.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;854349But it's never been limited to only D&D.

There the OSR and the osr. The OSR is a term used by some people playing, publishing, and promoting classic editions of D&D and similar games.

Alongside the OSR there is been a increase of people playing, publishing, and promoting older games in general, a old school renaissance.

The OSR also includes other games because the people involved are not just interested in classic D&D. So you get RPGs and supplements involving apocalypse roleplaying, horror, science fiction, swords and planets, and so on.  However outside of classic D&D there no rhyme or reason united them other than it was something that interested the people involved.

As Philotomy said there is no authority behind the use of OSR. Just a bunch of people, including myself, who use it as a shorthand for what they do. However classic D&D continues to be the largest part of the OSR and even the osr because of its legacy of being the most popular roleplaying game of all time.

And what many forget in these discussion over the use of the OSR is that it rest on a foundation of open gaming. The implication of which is that anything that can be done will classic D&D will be done by somebody at some time. There are no gatekeepers and the main factor for the release of anything is only limited to how hard the author is willing to work at it.

Speaking for the Opposition, there are times I've been tempted to abandon RPG to the OSR and revive the term "Dramatic Adventure Game" from Dragonlance: Fifth Age.

Quote from: Daztur;854517Yeah, like that a lot too. I think "go and do stuff" captures the genre better than "pretend to be somebody else." Not that getting into character isn't a good thing, it's just not core or essential.

This.  I could care less about the pretending to be somebody else part.  Some level of that happens, due to dynamic play, but I'm not interested in games where "pretending to be someone else" is the core activity and the rest of the game is secondary.

I've always preferred "adventure gaming".

Adventure Gaming works well for me. Some times I want to pretend to be somebody else, get all deep into role play and all that. Some times I just want to kill shit and take its treasure.

Since not all of us are great improv actors I hear a lot of "I tell the guard what we are doing here," around the gaming table. It works just fine and we all have fun.

Quote from: Paraguybrarian;854289For some reason, I'm surprised that the OSR movement hasn't tried to revive the older term "FRP" in place of RPG. To me, RPG is a term that has been (successfully) appropriated by the video game industry to cover a wealth of things not always related to pen and paper games.

Is it just the genre thing that the F implies?

No, it's that nobody gives a shit.